[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T205014: Data input: Forms for Item Entry

[Lydia_Pintscher]

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[GreenReaper]

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  Having got Cradle working with a shape 
 on WBStack after a 
bit of fuss 
, I can say 
that yes, it's a solution (though it'd be nicer if integrated), but it may 
benefit from tweaks to ease reuse outside Wikidata. The requirement for `wdt:` 
in shapes feels problematic, as that prefix and several others are internal to 
Wikidata , and liable to lead to 
confusion if used elsewhere - especially in a federated context. Making it 
configurable and not reliant on Wikidata-isms such as EXTRA, but rather working 
with the simplest shapes permitted by the specification may help in the move 
towards further third-party use.
  
  Another approach might see less use of shapes vs. examples, such as those on 
Wikidata:Cradle . However the 
format should be documented (at a glance, the "Help" link goes to that page, 
which doesn't explain //how// to create a form), and the number of examples 
provided in a distribution should be limited - in part, so Cradle loads quickly 
on lower-speed machines.
  
  If a sample database is provided along with Cradle as part of a distribution 
or live demo, it should include a sample set of Cradle forms and/or shapes, 
else there's a risk it won't be used. Which would be a shame, as it goes a fair 
way towards filling an obvious gap in the Wikibase feature set.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T205014: Data input: Forms for Item Entry

[GreenReaper]

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  #mediawiki-extensions-page_forms 
 
already works with SMW and Cargo 
. Could it be enhanced to 
support Wikibase, even if it doesn't support all features right away - rather 
than reinvent the wheel? Mentions of Cargo 

 might be useful to identify code points to edit. Even if only part of the 
front end is usable, that might save time and effort; and improvements could 
aid semantic editors in general.
  
  Forms are crucial in helping skilled editors / data modellers  with domain 
knowledge crystalize that into a template of an item that can be easily 
filled-in by others - rather like regular MW templates.
  Model items could be used to suggest claims/snaks (and perhaps a ShEx? 
), but 
this seems less important for smaller projects, as form creators probably 
selected/created properties to begin with.
  
  Creation via curated forms could also help it feel like you're editing a page 
on a wiki, not building a data structure on an alien site filled with Qs. That 
this may be being done is an implementation detail. From this perspective, it'd 
be great if it could be done via client editing (a-la Wikidata Bridge 
), so users don't leave "their 
own" wiki - but if that's too complex, merely having a form //somewhere// will 
help.

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[Magnus]

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  I would also like to point out https://tabernacle.toolforge.org/ which ATM is 
for editing existing items, but I could easily create a new blank item to edit.

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[Jan_Dittrich]

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  See related T217233  (Implement 
Model Items on Wikidata)

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[Jan_Dittrich]

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  On this issue, the research with GLAM partners might be interesting, as many 
voiced problems with data modeling. See the Report, Chapter "There is no 
obvious way to get your data into Wikidata 'the right way'" 
,
 page 11ff.

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