[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258822: ArticlePlaceholder doesn't declare extension.json dependancy on Wikibase

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258822: ArticlePlaceholder doesn't declare extension.json dependancy on Wikibase

[Ladsgroup]

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  Okay, this is blocked on T258822: ArticlePlaceholder doesn't declare 
extension.json dependancy on Wikibase 
 getting done, once that's done we 
can pick this up.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258822: ArticlePlaceholder doesn't declare extension.json dependancy on Wikibase

[Ladsgroup]

Ladsgroup added a subtask: T263101: Make mediawiki core installer stop trying 
to find extensions early and check if the are loaded or not..

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258822: ArticlePlaceholder doesn't declare extension.json dependancy on Wikibase

[Ladsgroup]

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  That sounds good to me (sorry I missed this part of your comment). I can try 
to see if I can make a patch for this.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258822: ArticlePlaceholder doesn't declare extension.json dependancy on Wikibase

[Reedy]

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  In T258822#6374334 , 
@Ladsgroup wrote:
  
  >> How does Wikibase even get loaded properly for CI with the non standard 
paths? Does -with-extensions do something more recursively? Or does it not get 
loaded at all?
  >
  > It looks for Wikibase.php, that file loads extension json files.
  
  Right. So as I said, it should check unresolved dependancies at the end of 
loading everything else, and then error if it's still unmet, rather than 
apparently immediately erroring just because it can't find the extension.json 
in the "right" place
  
  In T258822#6373807 , 
@Reedy wrote:
  
  > ..., it seems to be that it could be useful if the installer doesn't try 
and load all dependancies immediately, but instead wait till all extensions 
that are going to be loaded as a matter of course get loaded, and then see 
which are still needed, try and load them.. And if it still doesn't work, then 
die?

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[Ladsgroup]

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  In T258822#6373759 , 
@Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE wrote:
  
  > In T258822#6373587 , 
@Reedy wrote:
  >
  >> In T258822#6373399 , 
@ItamarWMDE wrote:
  >>
  >>> Concluding from the discussion on the patch. It appears that there isn't 
an elegant way to achieve this. After a discussion with @Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE 
 we propose to mark this task as declined. However, we keep this open for now, 
in case someone else has an elegant way to resolve it.
  >>
  >> Why would you decline a bug that is valid?
  >
  > Because Declined is not the same as Invalid? I’m not saying the bug isn’t 
valid, but we may still decline to resolve it.
  >
  >> I could understand marking it stalled, dependant on another bug being 
filed and fixed (ie something to support Wikibase's non standard file 
heirarchy), but it's definitely not invalid.
  >
  > How, then, would you support Wikibase’s file hierarchy in MediaWiki core?
  >
  > I can think of two ways:
  >
  > 1. Hard-code in MediaWiki core where Wikibase’s extension JSON files are, 
so that the installer can load them correctly.
  >
  > 2. Extend the extension JSON syntax, and require extensions depending on 
Wikibase to write something like this:
  >
  >   "requires": {
  > "extensions": {
  >   "WikibaseClient": {
  > "baseName": "Wikibase",
  > "jsonName": "extension-client.json",
  > "version": "*"
  >   }
  > }
  >   },
  >
  > Both seem so terrible to me that I’d rather decline this task than 
implement either of them. If you have a better idea, let us know, that’s why we 
left this task open for a bit. But my impression is that this task is not 
doable – neither core nor other extensions should have special knowledge of 
Wikibase paths, but those paths have to be //somewhere// if the installer is 
supposed to be able to locate Wikibase automatically.
  
  Actually I think there's a rather easier path to go to and it doesn't involve 
splitting Wikibase git repo either. `Installer.php` currently loads the files 
and check for their existence. The whole logic seems wrong to me, it should 
load extensions from the extension registry or check if they are in the queue 
and check it only based on name. If it can't find the extension in extension 
registry, then It should fall back to loading it directly from file and its 
current logic.
  
  In my personal opinion what Wikibase is doing is not "non-standard", it's 
just different (Wikibase is unique in so many ways, this the least of the 
differences) but I think the logic of loading extensions should be hidden and 
abstracted to ExtensionRegistry class which its whole point is to abstract this 
away.
  
  > How does Wikibase even get loaded properly for CI with the non standard 
paths? Does -with-extensions do something more recursively? Or does it not get 
loaded at all?
  
  It looks for Wikibase.php, that file loads extension json files.

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[Reedy]

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  Of course the problem here is effectively that Wikibase is doing something 
non standard/not supported. So you could question if it should be doing that...
  
  How does Wikibase even get loaded properly for CI with the non standard 
paths? Does `-with-extensions` do something more recursively? Or does it not 
get loaded at all?
  
  If it does something more recursively, it seems to be that it could be useful 
if the installer doesn't try and load all dependancies immediately, but instead 
wait till all extensions that are going to be loaded as a matter of course get 
loaded, and then see which are still needed, try and load them.. And if it 
still doesn't work, then die?
  
  As per my original point in this comment... If this is something "we" want to 
support in some way, some time and thought should be put into it... If not, 
Wikibase should potentailly stop being the odd one out here and do something 
more standard (which probably ends up with multiple extensions again).
  
  Else, potentially something more like T182472: Allow extension registration 
to suggest optional extension/skin or MediaWiki version 
 where it's not a hard dependancy... 
but at least has it decorated in a structured (ish) fashion rather than having 
to dig through errors/docs etc to work out what's going on
  
  Anything has got to be better than the installer pretending it's installing 
the extension fine, when actually mass amounts of dependancies are actually 
missing

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[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE added a comment.


  In T258822#6373587 , 
@Reedy wrote:
  
  > In T258822#6373399 , 
@ItamarWMDE wrote:
  >
  >> Concluding from the discussion on the patch. It appears that there isn't 
an elegant way to achieve this. After a discussion with @Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE 
 we propose to mark this task as declined. However, we keep this open for now, 
in case someone else has an elegant way to resolve it.
  >
  > Why would you decline a bug that is valid?
  
  Because Declined is not the same as Invalid? I’m not saying the bug isn’t 
valid, but we may still decline to resolve it.
  
  > I could understand marking it stalled, dependant on another bug being filed 
and fixed (ie something to support Wikibase's non standard file heirarchy), but 
it's definitely not invalid.
  
  How, then, would you support Wikibase’s file hierarchy in MediaWiki core?
  
  I can think of two ways:
  
  1. Hard-code in MediaWiki core where Wikibase’s extension JSON files are, so 
that the installer can load them correctly.
  
  2. Extend the extension JSON syntax, and require extensions depending on 
Wikibase to write something like this:
  
"requires": {
  "extensions": {
"WikibaseClient": {
  "baseName": "Wikibase",
  "jsonName": "extension-client.json",
  "version": "*"
}
  }
},
  
  Both seem so terrible to me that I’d rather decline this task than implement 
either of them. If you have a better idea, let us know, that’s why we left this 
task open for a bit. But my impression is that this task is not doable – 
neither core nor other extensions should have special knowledge of Wikibase 
paths, but those paths have to be //somewhere// if the installer is supposed to 
be able to locate Wikibase automatically.

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[Reedy]

Reedy changed the task status from "Open" to "Stalled".

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[Ladsgroup]

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  I agree with @Reedy this is hard to do but it should not be declined (maybe 
moved to stalled, etc.)

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[Reedy]

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  In T258822#6373399 , 
@ItamarWMDE wrote:
  
  > Concluding from the discussion on the patch. It appears that there isn't an 
elegant way to achieve this. After a discussion with @Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE  
we propose to mark this task as declined. However, we keep this open for now, 
in case someone else has an elegant way to resolve it.
  
  Why would you decline a bug that is valid?
  
  I could understand marking it stalled, dependant on another bug being filed 
and fixed (ie something to support Wikibase's non standard file heirarchy), but 
it's definitely not invalid.
  
  If an extension is unable to declare a dependancy because of MW's 
expecttions, that is a bug. But said bug needs to be filed, not just left as 
comments on a gerrit task...

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  Concluding from the discussion on the patch. It appears that there isn't an 
elegant way to achieve this. After a discussion with @Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE  
we propose to mark this task as declined. However, we keep this open for now, 
in case someone else has an elegant way to resolve it.

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  Change 616161 had a related patch set uploaded (by Ladsgroup; owner: 
Ladsgroup):
  [mediawiki/extensions/ArticlePlaceholder@master] Add WikibaseClient as 
dependency of this extension
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/616161

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258822: ArticlePlaceholder doesn't declare extension.json dependancy on Wikibase

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T258822: ArticlePlaceholder doesn't declare extension.json dependancy on Wikibase

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Reedy created this task.
Reedy added a project: ArticlePlaceholder.
Restricted Application added a subscriber: Aklapper.
Restricted Application added a project: Wikidata.

TASK DESCRIPTION
  In ArticlePlaceholder's extension.json, it should really declare that it 
depends on some of the Wikibase extensions

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