Re: [Wikidata-l] [Labs-l] Yet another partial labs outage
Hi Andrew, Andrew Bogott schreef op 16-5-2015 om 6:31: I did shut off one instance: wikidata-wdq-mm. I don't have a personal grudge, but it was gobbling CPU cycles and the system really needs a rest. If loss of that instance is a disaster for anyone, contact me and I'll see if I can revive it and shut off ten or so other instances to make room. With that you basically break the edit flow of most users on Wikidata, see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#wdq.wmflabs.org.2Fapi . This is one of those tools that have silently become production. Maarten ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary
Am 15.05.2015 um 01:11 schrieb John Erling Blad: How do we go from a spelled form of a lexeme at Wiktionary and to an identifier on Wikidata? What do you mean by go to? And what do you mean by identifier on Wikidata - Items, Lexemes, Senses, or Forms? Generally, Wiktionary currently combines words with the same rendering from different languages on a single page. So a single Wiktionary page would correspond to several Lexeme entries on Wikidata, since Lexemes on wikidata would be split per language. I suppose a Lexeme-Entry could be linked back to the corresponding pages on the various Wiktionaries, but I don't really see the value of that, and sitelinks are currently not planned for Lexeme entries. It probably makes more sense for the Wiktionary pages to explicitly reference the Wikidata-Lexeme that corresponds to each language-section on the page. And how do we go from one Sense to another synonym Sense? Do we use statements? But then only the L-identifiers can be used, so we will link them at the Lexeme level.. Why can only L-Identifiers be used? Senses (and Forms) are entities and have identifiers. They wouldn't have a wiki-page of their own, but that's not a problem. The intention is that it's possible for one Sense to have a statement referring directly to another Sense (of the same or a different Lexeme). Wiktionary is organized around homonyms while Wikipedia is organized around synonyms, especially across languages, and I think this difference creates some of the problems. The Lexeme-Part of Wikidata (L-ids) would be separate from the Concept-part of Wikidata (Q-ids). The Lexeme part is organized around homonyms (more precisely, homographs in a single language). Each Lexeme can have several Senses modeled as sub-entities, meaning that each Sense has its own set of Statements. Each Sense can be linked to Senses of other Lexemes (explicit synonyms or translations) and to Q-id concepts (implicit synonyms or translations) using Statements. -- Daniel Kinzler Senior Software Developer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary
Your description is pretty far from whats in the proposal right now. The proposal is not clear at all, so I would say update it and resubmit if for a new discussion. On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: Am 15.05.2015 um 01:11 schrieb John Erling Blad: How do we go from a spelled form of a lexeme at Wiktionary and to an identifier on Wikidata? What do you mean by go to? And what do you mean by identifier on Wikidata - Items, Lexemes, Senses, or Forms? Generally, Wiktionary currently combines words with the same rendering from different languages on a single page. So a single Wiktionary page would correspond to several Lexeme entries on Wikidata, since Lexemes on wikidata would be split per language. I suppose a Lexeme-Entry could be linked back to the corresponding pages on the various Wiktionaries, but I don't really see the value of that, and sitelinks are currently not planned for Lexeme entries. It probably makes more sense for the Wiktionary pages to explicitly reference the Wikidata-Lexeme that corresponds to each language-section on the page. And how do we go from one Sense to another synonym Sense? Do we use statements? But then only the L-identifiers can be used, so we will link them at the Lexeme level.. Why can only L-Identifiers be used? Senses (and Forms) are entities and have identifiers. They wouldn't have a wiki-page of their own, but that's not a problem. The intention is that it's possible for one Sense to have a statement referring directly to another Sense (of the same or a different Lexeme). Wiktionary is organized around homonyms while Wikipedia is organized around synonyms, especially across languages, and I think this difference creates some of the problems. The Lexeme-Part of Wikidata (L-ids) would be separate from the Concept-part of Wikidata (Q-ids). The Lexeme part is organized around homonyms (more precisely, homographs in a single language). Each Lexeme can have several Senses modeled as sub-entities, meaning that each Sense has its own set of Statements. Each Sense can be linked to Senses of other Lexemes (explicit synonyms or translations) and to Q-id concepts (implicit synonyms or translations) using Statements. -- Daniel Kinzler Senior Software Developer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] [Labs-l] Yet another partial labs outage
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 4:02 AM, Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl wrote: With that you basically break the edit flow of most users on Wikidata, see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#wdq.wmflabs.org.2Fapi . This is one of those tools that have silently become production. Nope - wdq.wmflabs.org runs from wdq-mm-01.eqiad.wmflabs and wdq-mm-02.eqiad.wmflabs. wikidata-wdq-mm is just the old instance, currently unused (afaict) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
