Re: [Wikidata-l] Is CC the right license for data?
Yep, until now we always have been discussing and are strongly leaning towards CC-0 for the data content, and CC-BY-SA for the textual content of Wikidata, i.e. the project pages, discussion pages, etc. We are fully aware that most CC licenses are not adequate for data. Cheers, Denny 2012/4/2 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, The question if CC is the right license for data is a bit limited; what CC license?. There are many licenses available by Creative Commons. When you consider facts, on their own they cannot be copyrighted and consequently licensed. A CC-0 license would work really well for them. Thanks, Gerard On 2 April 2012 14:30, Alexrk alex...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi, because Locos asked me to post this on the mailinglist as well... http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Talk:Wikidata#Is_CC_the_** right_license_for_data.3Fhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata#Is_CC_the_right_license_for_data.3F Regards Alex -- http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Benutzer:Alexrk2http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Alexrk2 __**_ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Eisenacher Straße 2 | 10777 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Notability in Wikidata
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Bináris wikipo...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/1 Markus Krötzsch markus.kroetz...@cs.ox.ac.uk We would rather like to support linking and data integration with external data bases than suggest *every* fact of the world to be copied to Wikidata. An interesting example is the IUCN redlist of threatened species: http://www.iucnredlist.org/ Data are modified by IUCN from time to time, so copying would be a rather temporary solution, while the redlist status is important in infoboxes of animals and plants. Actually, to do anything with their data you'd need to get written approval for exceptions to their terms of use which prohibit both redistribution and commercial use (ie you'd need to include a NC clause in your license). http://www.iucnredlist.org/info/terms-of-use#3._No_commercial_use Tom ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Notability in Wikidata
Hola, I registered to the mailing list and I am pleased to see lot of collaboration-discussion. BUT: WHY A MAILING LIST? I am an entrepreneur and to build-followup a project we never ever use a mailing-list. You are all Wikipedia early adopters so pls USE A WIKI to discuss and process this Wikidata project! Twenty or more mails per day about this project is not manageable and useless (how do you organize the different questions and ideas? ) Thx for your time Isabelle Ayel Tel/Fax: +34 976 088 566 Email: isabelle.a...@gmail.com My blogs: isayel.net | pouce-café http://zfr.posterous.com | zaragoza día día http://zaragozadiadia.posterous.com Networking with: http://www.facebook.com/isayel?ref=name Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/isayel?ref=name http://twitter.com/nanouk Twitter http://twitter.com/nanouk https://plus.google.com/111878932945338226153 Google Plushttps://plus.google.com/111878932945338226153 http://es.linkedin.com/in/isabelleayel LinkedInhttp://es.linkedin.com/in/isabelleayel Contact me: [image: Google Talk] isabelle.ayel [image: Skype] aspmaetb [image: Twitter] http://twitter.com/nanouk Latest tweet: #Zaragoza Domingo de Ramos, tambores y bombos #semanasanta voy a San Gayetano, nos vemos (estaré sentada @carlosgutierrez Follow @nanouk http://twitter.com/nanouk Reply http://twitter.com/?status=@nanouk%20in_reply_to_status_id=186416129869221900in_reply_to=nanouk Retweet http://twitter.com/?status=RT%20%40nanouk%3A%20%23Zaragoza%20Domingo%20de%20Ramos%2C%20tambores%20y%20bombos%20%23semanasanta%20%20voy%20a%20San%20Gayetano%2C%20nos%20vemos%20(estar%C3%A9%20sentada%20%40carlosgutierrez 13:34 Apr-01http://twitter.com/nanouk/statuses/186416129869221888 Get this email app! http://www.wisestamp.com/apps/twitter?utm_source=extensionutm_medium=emailutm_term=twitterutm_campaign=apps On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:47, Oren Bochman orenboch...@gmail.com wrote: There is lots of excitement but I think that many of these discussions are missing the social aspects of this project and leading to many counterproductive suggestions (or atleast unrealistic use cases). ** ** Creating a centralizing repository for Wikipdias data is both a social and technically challenge. It would contradict Information Architecture requirements to aggregate external data that is not immediately used in WMF projects. Doing so will quickly increase human workload (our most significant resource). Humans edit check and code… ** ** WikiData’s mandate appears to e to improve en.Wikipedia (and then the other WMF projects). Producing a component that pushes data into Wikipedia will fail very quickly if the community norms are not catered for. En.Wikipedia has the most complex ones. ** ** Notability criteria filters out lots of “spam/noise” external stake holders would put into WMF project. What you call encyclopedic is too imprecise. It would be easy to import all MuzicBrains + AllMovie guide entries as WikiData – but it would not make Wikipedia a better encyclopedia/information source to read/edit if we had a page for each record in those databases. ** ** IMHO what editors would like is a quick and easy way to import and share such data amongst projects once it has been found Notable – but also be able to use per project versions. (English and Arabic Wikipedia info boxes name different cities as the capital of Israel). ** ** **1. **Each project has its own criteria of Notability, since it requires its own noise filter. **2. **Wiktionary’s is just as difficult as Wikipedia. ** ** I suggest that newcomers try to study about how Wikipedia works so that we can have a more productive dialogue and WikiData will be accepted. ** ** Oren Bochman ** ** MediaWiki Search Developer. ** ** ** ** *From:* wikidata-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikidata-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *emijrp *Sent:* Sunday, April 01, 2012 10:24 AM *To:* Discussion list for the Wikidata project. *Subject:* Re: [Wikidata-l] Notability in Wikidata ** ** 2012/3/31 John Burger j...@jolelira.net On Mar 31, 2012, at 15:22, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote:i all; I'm thinking about notability in Wikidata and how it may conflict with Wikipedia current policies and community conceptions. Will Wikidata allow to create entities for small villages, asteroids, galaxies, stars, species, etc, that are not allowed today at Wikipedia? Including about those that don't have article in any Wikipedia? Are you referring to the English Wikipedia's notability guidelines? I don't see why they would apply here, just as they don't apply to the English Wiktionary or the German Wikipedia. As far as I know, every Wikimedia project comes up with it's own guidelines. Are there any Wikimedia-wide guidelines? There is no Wikipedia-wide guidelines about notability, just that content must be encyclopedic. **
Re: [Wikidata-l] Notability in Wikidata
Or just install LiquidThreads extension to discussion of objectives or model data. Code and others in a git repo(?) El 02/04/2012 15:19, Nadja Kutz na...@daytar.de escribió: Hello, Is there any plan to use some kind of project management tool like trac ( trac.org) ? Or at least a forum software? I find neither the mailing list nor the wiki very well suited for keeping track of the various discussion threads and software development issues. nad Am 02.04.2012 um 18:59 schrieb Lydia Pintscher: On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Isabelle Ayel isabelle.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hola, I registered to the mailing list and I am pleased to see lot of collaboration-discussion. BUT: WHY A MAILING LIST? I am an entrepreneur and to build-followup a project we never ever use a mailing-list. You are all Wikipedia early adopters so pls USE A WIKI to discuss and process this Wikidata project! Twenty or more mails per day about this project is not manageable and useless (how do you organize the different questions and ideas? ) Thx for your time Isabelle Ayel Hi Isabelle, discussions are also going on on the discussion pages under http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata. Some people prefer those and some prefer a mailing list. This list is pretty high traffic right now because of all the attention the project has gotten over the last days. It'll probably get better again in a bit. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Eisenacher Straße 2 10777 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Unsubscribe
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[Wikidata-l] Please register for the Berlin hackathon - June 1-3, 2012
I invite you to the yearly Berlin hackathon. It's scheduled for 1-3 June and registration is now open. If you need financial assistance or help with hotel/hostel/visa, just mention it in the registration form, and please try to register by May 1st. https://wmberlin.eventbrite.com/ This is the premier event for the MediaWiki and Wikimedia technical community. We'll be hacking, designing, and socialising, primarily talking about Gadgets, the switch to Lua for MediaWiki templates, Wikidata, and Wikimedia Labs. Our goals for the event are to bring 100-150 people together, with lots of people who have not attended such events before. User scripts, gadgets, API use, Toolserver, Wikimedia Labs, mobile, structured data, templates -- if you are into any of these things, we want you to come! Details: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2012 Thanks to Wikimedia Germany for hosting and coordinating this event. (Venue still to be determined.) -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Is CC the right license for data?
I fully agree. If CC4 comes before any decision is to be made with WikiData's licence it would only be natural to use CC-BY-SA for data as well as for content. My pleading for ODbL is as a temporary fix since right now, in countries such as France, releasing data under CC-anything basically means CC0 on the data without producers using it even knowing it (latest one yesterday here data.visitprovence.com ) I was only arguing in favor to pursue the common goods attitude behind the copyleft choice that was made before for Wikipedia. Benjamin On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 01:35, Mike Linksvayer m...@gondwanaland.com wrote: A few quick points: * The main lack of suitability of CC licenses for databases is that they don't explicitly (with a few exceptions in the case of certain jurisdiction ports which we can ignore) grant permissions that mitigate non-copyright database rights. If not for this, ODbL and some government-specific licenses such as UK OGL would probably not have been motivated enough to exist * However, the bar for plain old copyright restricting databases is unfortunately low, especially outside the US, which may in part explain use of various CC licenses for various databases from the very beginning of CC; some background at http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/26283 * Version 4.0 of the various CC licenses will almost certainly license sui generis database rights and similar just as they do copyright. I would hope that Wikimedia projects (in general, ignoring Wikidata for now) will move to 4.0 shortly after it is done, otherwise it won't be actually done IMO. :) 1st draft announced today http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/32157 * Although it may not have happened if CC 3.0 or before licenses explicitly addressed database rights, ODbL is similar to CC-BY-SA in that they're both copyleft/reciprocal/viral/hereditary licenses, they are quite different in detail, most significantly: - ODbL requires machine-readable source (entire derivative database, or patch); CC-BY-SA has no source requirement - ODbL allows for produced works (eg a rendered map) not subject to same license requirement; if work derivative of CC-BY-SA, same license must be used (modulo exceptions limitations of course) * The most significant issue is not a difference exactly: ODbL and CC-BY-SA are each only compatible with themselves (and note that CC0 is donor compatible with them both, but obviously not recipient compatible) * I would guess the first thing to figure out is whether compatibility is needed, and where. At one extreme, Wikidata would have no choice but to use CC-BY-SA as that's what other Wikimedia projects are using, and it will be ingesting data from. At the other extreme, that data is all public domain and or there's community agreement on boundary of data and everything else, and Wikidata data can be CC0, ODbL, or whatever else is deemed to be the best fit. IANAL etc, Mike On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 07:33, Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou b.oo...@gmail.com wrote: To keep along the sharing path that was adopted with the original choice of CC-BY-SA for contents one could argue in favor of OpenDataCommons' ODbL. It is basically the equivalent of CC-BY-SA but for data, and is the choice OpenStreetMap made among others. This could be a good way to ensure WikiData's full database won't be pivatised without any giving back to the community Cheers, Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou http://www.RegardsCitoyens.org On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 16:27, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Yep, until now we always have been discussing and are strongly leaning towards CC-0 for the data content, and CC-BY-SA for the textual content of Wikidata, i.e. the project pages, discussion pages, etc. We are fully aware that most CC licenses are not adequate for data. Cheers, Denny 2012/4/2 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, The question if CC is the right license for data is a bit limited; what CC license?. There are many licenses available by Creative Commons. When you consider facts, on their own they cannot be copyrighted and consequently licensed. A CC-0 license would work really well for them. Thanks, Gerard On 2 April 2012 14:30, Alexrk alex...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi, because Locos asked me to post this on the mailinglist as well... http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata#Is_CC_the_right_license_for_data.3F Regards Alex -- http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Alexrk2 ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia
Re: [Wikidata-l] RDFa, Microdata and Microformats
I'm the (for want of a better word) project lead for Microformats on en-Wikipedia. How can I help? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk On Apr 2, 2012 5:21 PM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:40 AM, James HK jamesin.hongkon...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Denny, I know everyone is still trying to organize this project but nevertheless we wanted to have some clarification about how WikiData will proceed in terms of representation of data embedded in wiki pages. Several descriptor frameworks are available [0] and MediaWiki have seen some discussions about it before [1], [2] but since this project is about semantic data it would be nice to have directional guidance about how WikiData will proceed. [0] http://manu.sporny.org/2011/uber-comparison-rdfa-md-uf/ [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/HTML5_DOM_with_microdata [2] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.wikitext/512 Cheers, mwjames This is of interest for the second phase of the project. So as Ivan said it indeed does still have some time. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Eisenacher Straße 2 10777 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
