[Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata

2014-12-30 Thread Denny Vrandečić
I found out the other day that there's an item about myself, and I wanted to edit it, and got a weird feeling about it. So I raised the question on the project chat https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#COI_and_editing and got told that an RFC would be a good idea. So I tried one. I

Re: [Wikidata-l] subclass-of vs. instance-of

2014-12-30 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
ja...@j1w.xyz, 30/12/2014 22:04: Are there processes in place to manage the integrity of these structural components of Wikidata? Yes. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations Nemo ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wik

[Wikidata-l] subclass-of vs. instance-of

2014-12-30 Thread james
Having followed Freebase and the announcement about migrating to Wikidata, I'm trying to get up to speed on the structure of Wikidata. I read on the site that relationships such as subclass-of and instance-of are managed by everyone. Looking at automobile (Q1420) I see that it is both subclass-of

Re: [Wikidata-l] WikiData for Research Project Idea: Structured History

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The Wikipedia article on the subject has probably most if not all relevant details.. Thanks, GerardM On 30 December 2014 at 16:39, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > The most important people, as far as Wikidata is concerned, are the > Wikidata developers. As long as they indicate that t

Re: [Wikidata-l] WikiData for Research Project Idea: Structured History

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The most important people, as far as Wikidata is concerned, are the Wikidata developers. As long as they indicate that the software conforms to the standard we are good. There is no problem in them having the standard and publishing what is expected of the use of timestamps and time diffs/ Th

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Thomas Douillard
At this step queries are planned https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Development_plan I guess placeholder articles are lower in Lydia's list, this seems only a preliminar steps. So it's not stupid to assume they will be ready. I read your blog a long time, including your posts about reasonat

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Until Wikidata provides query functionality, any arguments about it are without much merit. Until that time WDQ provides functionality. That functionality can be implemented in new functionality when it arrives. As to the question if I know Reasonator ... Read my blog ... [1] Thanks, Ger

Re: [Wikidata-l] Queries related question : relationship beetween queries

2014-12-30 Thread Jane Darnell
I would suggest you are thinking from the wrong perspective. Think specific, and work your way from there. On the English Wikipedia, there are tons of lists which each have their own set of rules for list items. This makes a specific query much easier, tied to the list item on Wikidata. For example

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Thomas Douillard
> Do you speak for the community ?? Nope, I speak for myself. Nether told anything else. > Do you really know what Reasonator is about ? I don't really appreciate the tone, I think reasonator is really cool and I'm probably one of the people who pushed its use the most in Wikidata. Do you have a

[Wikidata-l] Queries related question : relationship beetween queries

2014-12-30 Thread Thomas Douillard
Hi, I got an open question about Wikidata concepts, partly related to the idea of selecting a templates wrt. a query for placeholder articles. One question about this idea is : what to do when several templates are possible for an item, for example the item with no article is in the result set of

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, One of the requisites as mentioned on the page by Lydia is that it is usable on any and all projects. Relying on local only technoloy like templates do not make sense. Reasonator DOES provide functionality that is similar to what can be achieved with templating. When a person has relatives, f

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Thomas Douillard
Hi Gerard, I like Reasonator a lot, but there is several advantages to an integrated solution : * We can reuse technologies of the mediawiki ecosystem, like for example a very important one : templates, that are already used an that a lot of wikimedians knows. It can be used to build template artic

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You also forget that it HAS been in use on several Wikipedias in the past. So when that was no problem why is it a problem that can not be overcome now and for now? Thanks, GerardM On 30 December 2014 at 12:15, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > They are mostly excuses. The software has b

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, They are mostly excuses. The software has been in use for a LONG time. It is known for its relevance for the same long time.. So the value of this need is diminished by the lack of attention in the past. The point is that these excuses are very much in the way of us achieving our goal.. shari

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Michał Łazowik
Hi, > Wiadomość napisana przez Gerard Meijssen w dniu > 30 gru 2014, o godz. 10:24: > > Reasonator works now. Yes, but the thing is that putting anything on production is not just including it there. The whole code needs to be reviewed and there are some limitations, especially with 3rd part

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Our aim is to "share in the sum of all knowledge". While building on top of what Reasonator offers makes sense, Reasonator works now. So yes, do have a look at what it is missing and what could be improved but do not let that notion prevent us from sharing in the sum of all knowledge that is

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > With all due respect. We have something that works already in Reasonator. It > covers most if not all requirements that we can possibly think of. We have > gained a lot of experience in that way.. Why not implement it and improve on

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: > The problem is that we don't really know what topic the user is looking for, > we > just know a term (the search string or page title). The easiest thin to do > would > be to show an automatic disambiguation page, listing items that have

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, With all due respect. We have something that works already in Reasonator. It covers most if not all requirements that we can possibly think of. We have gained a lot of experience in that way.. Why not implement it and improve on it conform any potential additional requirements ? Thanks, G