> Do you speak for the community ?? Nope, I speak for myself. Nether told anything else.
> Do you really know what Reasonator is about ? I don't really appreciate the tone, I think reasonator is really cool and I'm probably one of the people who pushed its use the most in Wikidata. Do you have a useful answer to your own question ? One point is that Reasonator uses Wikidata query, who, last time I checked, was not planned to be integrated into Wikibase. Wikibase will have its own query engine. It would be a giant software architecture mess if the core mediawiki/wikibase depends on external query engine. 2014-12-30 13:48 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>: > Hoi, > One of the requisites as mentioned on the page by Lydia is that it is > usable on any and all projects. Relying on local only technoloy like > templates do not make sense. > > Reasonator DOES provide functionality that is similar to what can be > achieved with templating. When a person has relatives, for instance it will > show. When something is in a particular location, it will show the > hierarchy. when there is a geo coordinate, it shows a map, > > Now citing "political reasons" begs the question since when our community > decides NOT to implement things that are so manifestly in line what our > mission. > > When you consider in build queries... That is what Reasonator offers for a > long long time. > > Do you really know what Reasonator is about ? Do you speak for the > community ?? > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 30 December 2014 at 13:30, Thomas Douillard <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> Hi Gerard, I like Reasonator a lot, but there is several advantages to an >> integrated solution : >> * We can reuse technologies of the mediawiki ecosystem, like for example >> a very important one : templates, that are already used an that a lot of >> wikimedians knows. It can be used to build template articles. I don't know >> if reasonator atm had a lot of contributions. It needs a github or >> something account and Javascript knowledge. >> * community is reluctant to use not in wiki tools for such needs, it's >> politically hard to push Reasonator integration into Wikidata fundamental >> templates, I can tell. >> * A solution based on prebuilt queries to select the appropriate template >> seems not so hard to implement only with Wikibase concepts, and deeply >> integrated to the mediawiki ecosystem, integrate Reasonator will probably >> eventually not result into such result. >> >> And yes, Reasonator is usable right now. So it's cool that this feature >> is not implemented right now :) And reasonator can follow its own path. >> >> >> 2014-12-30 12:28 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>: >> >>> Hoi, >>> You also forget that it HAS been in use on several Wikipedias in the >>> past. So when that was no problem why is it a problem that can not be >>> overcome now and for now? >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 30 December 2014 at 12:15, Gerard Meijssen <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Hoi, >>>> They are mostly excuses. The software has been in use for a LONG time. >>>> It is known for its relevance for the same long time.. So the value of this >>>> need is diminished by the lack of attention in the past. >>>> >>>> The point is that these excuses are very much in the way of us >>>> achieving our goal.. sharing in the sum of all knowledge. The knowledge in >>>> Wikidata is available knowledge to us so we do not have a valid excuse. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 30 December 2014 at 11:38, Michał Łazowik <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> > Wiadomość napisana przez Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]> >>>>> w dniu 30 gru 2014, o godz. 10:24: >>>>> > >>>>> > Reasonator works now. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, but the thing is that putting anything on production is not just >>>>> including it there. >>>>> The whole code needs to be reviewed and there are some limitations, >>>>> especially >>>>> with 3rd party libraries. Bootstrap is a no-go. There are code >>>>> conventions, performance >>>>> and compatibility issues (mediawiki has to support IE 8) and >>>>> internationalisation. And >>>>> tests. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe some of these things are already there, but still the review >>>>> would have to be >>>>> done. >>>>> >>>>> Michał >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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