Re: [Wikidata-l] SNAK - assertion?

2012-04-06 Thread Martynas Jusevicius
Hey again, getting over wasn't meant to be harsh. I was hoping though wiki in Wikidata stands for a the broader concept of free and open, and not a particular syntax for encoding knowledge. I'm all for free and open knowledge, but I think sticking to the same mechanisms which helped bootstrap

Re: [Wikidata-l] SNAK - assertion?

2012-04-06 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Martynas Jusevicius marty...@graphity.org wrote: Hey again, getting over wasn't meant to be harsh. I was hoping though wiki in Wikidata stands for a the broader concept of free and open, and not a particular syntax for encoding knowledge. I'm all for free and

Re: [Wikidata-l] SNAK - assertion?

2012-04-06 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Martynas, what you are proposing below is not W3C recommended RDF but an extension of triples to quads. As far as I know, this extension is not compatible yet with existing standards such as SPARQL and OWL. Named graphs work with SPARQL, but are mostly used in another way than you suggest.

Re: [Wikidata-l] SNAK - assertion?

2012-04-06 Thread JFC Morfin
Binàris, then you should coin a crystal clear definition of snak (could it be made an acronym?) everyone can memorize and understand. Sounds also as snap and snag. If you find a pun it would help it get accepted. jfc At 10:39 06/04/2012, Bináris wrote: 2012/4/5 Gregor Hagedorn

Re: [Wikidata-l] SNAK - assertion?

2012-04-06 Thread Daniel Kinzler
On 06.04.2012 14:28, Martynas Jusevicius wrote: Hey again, getting over wasn't meant to be harsh. I was hoping though wiki in Wikidata stands for a the broader concept of free and open, and not a particular syntax for encoding knowledge. Dear Martynas As stated in the proposal, we do not

Re: [Wikidata-l] SNAK - assertion?

2012-04-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Dear Martynas, if you try to model the following statement in RDF The population density of France, as of an 2012 estimate, is 116 per square kilometer, according to the Bilan demographique 2010. you might notice that RDF requires a reification of the statement. The data model that you have

Re: [Wikidata-l] SNAK - assertion?

2012-04-05 Thread John McClure
Denny said: But if you find a simpler, and more RDFish way to express the (below) statement, please feel free to enlighten me. I would be indeed very interested. The population density of France, as of an 2012 estimate, is 116 per square kilometer, according to the Bilan demographique 2010. A

Re: [Wikidata-l] SNAK - assertion?

2012-04-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
John, thanks! I fully agree. And this is indeed pretty much what we have in our data model.* I think that we really need to get our draft mapping to RDF done, in order to show that we align pretty much with this suggestion. Cheers, Denny * well, we also add density, but I think that is merely

Re: [Wikidata-l] SNAK - assertion?

2012-04-05 Thread John McClure
Denny said: you forgot to add something like France#Density:2012_pop_estimate_Bilan_2010 property Density . No I did not forget anything, given the Density 'namespace' in the subobject name. IOW your triple merely restates what is discernible from the subobject name. Maybe you should tell me what