Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively
Hi Claudia , you wrote: > We had a discussion about tools that allow for creating ontologies > (or at least structured vocabularies) collaboratively in the context > of terminology curation in the biological domain. > > Some people were in favor for Semantic MediaWiki, which made me > wonder if there are other projects than Wikidata that are using > Wikibase for structuring their data. I recently collected a list of Open Source web applications to create Knowledge Organization Systems - including SMW and Wikibase: http://coli-conc.gbv.de/publications/tr7.html (=http://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.61262) The list lacks https://pypi.python.org/pypi/atramhasis and I omitted applications with major focus on terminology management for translation (aka termbases). Both SWM and Wikibase support creation of knowledge bases without strict schemata. The downside of their flexibility is a lack of constraints and workflows that must be build on to of them with additional tools. Choice of the right software for creating structured vocabularies very much depends on the types and requirements of your vocabularies. If you want some control, e.g. suggested and approved changes, hierachies, controll of synonyms and homonyms and your vocabulary is a "classical" knowledge organization system such as a authority files, thesaurus or classifications, you may better try a dedicated software such as the editors I found. I have not evaluated these applications so I'am also curious about experiences with iQvoc, TemaTres, VocBench, Ginco, and atramhasis. If your vocabulary is more going to be an ontology then Semantic MediaWiki or Wikibase (possibly also Web Protégé or VoCol) may be required with additional customization. I'd first ask what you actually mean by "ontology" - many so called ontologies are actually simply extended thesauri, classifications or even dump term list that could also be managed in a shared Google Spreadsheet. My own experience in collaborative creating structured vocabularies mainly focus small controlled list (=no need for dedicated software) and on Wikidata (see http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-1676/paper2.pdf). The latter is a special case because you must involve in the existing Wikimedia communities with all of its benefits (motivated collaborators, real-world entities connected to other vocabularies, fame and glory...) and downsides (less control, possibly tiresome discussions...). I prefer this approach of harvesting and extending vocabularies from Wikidata because the vocabularies are (or at least expected to be) founded in actual use of terms by their connection to Wikidata articles instead building yet another ivory tower ontology. That's all for now, looking forward for more uses cases and experiences, Jakob Voß ___ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively
Hi Denny, I contacted him separately (just to make sure that he gets the question) and share the results. Claudia > On 12 Oct 2016, at 22:28, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > > No, wouldn't know of any. Wikibase is still rather new in this field, and to > the best of my knowledge there has been no evaluation of the two for the task > of collaborative vocabulary management. > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 1:20 PM Claudia Müller-Birn > wrote: > Dear Denny, > > Thanks for the pointers, some of them are surprisingly new to me. However, I > was wondering if there are articles that especially compared Wikibase and > Semantic MediaWiki. Any idea? > > Many thanks. > > Claudia > > > On 12 Oct 2016, at 22:05, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > > > > SMW has been used successfully in the past for such projects, indeed has > > been developed with that in mind. A few papers here: > > > > http://www.semantic-cora.org/index.php/Publications_and_Talks > > > > http://www.aifb.kit.edu/web/Frank_Dengler/Publikationen/en > > > > https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=PdsmmEkJ&citation_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:IjCSPb-OGe4C > > https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=PdsmmEkJ&citation_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:2osOgNQ5qMEC > > https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=PdsmmEkJ&citation_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:Tyk-4Ss8FVUC > > > > https://km.aifb.kit.edu/ws/ckc2007/accepted.htm#papers > > > > But these are just a few pointers, and I am sure it is quite out of that by > > now. > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:54 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) > > wrote: > > Claudia Müller-Birn, 12/10/2016 21:11: > > > wonder if there are other projects than Wikidata that are using Wikibase > > > for structuring their data > > > > http://www.eagle-network.eu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page , as documented on > > http://wikiba.se/projects/ . You can ask on this list if you have questions. > > > > Nemo > > > > ___ > > Wikidata mailing list > > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > ___ > > Wikidata mailing list > > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > > ___ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > ___ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata ___ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively
Thanks Gregor. I will add this to my list. Btw, I will distill all information and will share in a separate email. So far, I am overwhelmed by all responses - great. Claudia > On 12 Oct 2016, at 22:31, Gregor Hagedorn > wrote: > > Here some old pointers to our TDWG - biodiversity - ViBRANT work from 2013: > http://www.gbif.org/resource/80862 > https://mbgserv18.mobot.org/ocs/index.php/tdwg/2013/paper/view/545 > creating this SMW wiki: > http://terms.tdwg.org/wiki/ > (with a SKOS vocab management system) > > My own assessment: there are serious limitation in SMW, which can be worked > with (e.g. we use an in-wiki xslt script to post-process), but having a more > powerful system like wikidata would be most welcome. > > However, to my present knowledge, the wikidata/wikibase based system would > have to have a custom programmed user interface to make it usable, something > the great semantic form extensions in SMW already make possible. > > Best > > gregor > > ___ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata ___ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively
Chris Mungall & co were just awarded a grant to develop tooling for mere mortals to create ontologies. Copying him in here to comment. On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > I don't know if Jakob Voss is on this list, but he had a recent paper on > using Wikidata (not Wikibase) for NKOS terminology. > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 1:32 PM Gregor Hagedorn < > gregor.haged...@mfn-berlin.de> wrote: > >> Here some old pointers to our TDWG - biodiversity - ViBRANT work from >> 2013: >> http://www.gbif.org/resource/80862 >> https://mbgserv18.mobot.org/ocs/index.php/tdwg/2013/paper/view/545 >> creating this SMW wiki: >> http://terms.tdwg.org/wiki/ >> (with a SKOS vocab management system) >> >> My own assessment: there are serious limitation in SMW, which can be >> worked with (e.g. we use an in-wiki xslt script to post-process), but >> having a more powerful system like wikidata would be most welcome. >> >> However, to my present knowledge, the wikidata/wikibase based system >> would have to have a custom programmed user interface to make it usable, >> something the great semantic form extensions in SMW already make possible. >> >> Best >> >> gregor >> >> ___ >> Wikidata mailing list >> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> > > ___ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > -- -- mcmurry.ju...@gmail.com +1 805 455 5877 skype: mcmurry.julie git: jmcmurry -- ___ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively
I don't know if Jakob Voss is on this list, but he had a recent paper on using Wikidata (not Wikibase) for NKOS terminology. On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 1:32 PM Gregor Hagedorn < gregor.haged...@mfn-berlin.de> wrote: > Here some old pointers to our TDWG - biodiversity - ViBRANT work from 2013: > http://www.gbif.org/resource/80862 > https://mbgserv18.mobot.org/ocs/index.php/tdwg/2013/paper/view/545 > creating this SMW wiki: > http://terms.tdwg.org/wiki/ > (with a SKOS vocab management system) > > My own assessment: there are serious limitation in SMW, which can be > worked with (e.g. we use an in-wiki xslt script to post-process), but > having a more powerful system like wikidata would be most welcome. > > However, to my present knowledge, the wikidata/wikibase based system would > have to have a custom programmed user interface to make it usable, > something the great semantic form extensions in SMW already make possible. > > Best > > gregor > > ___ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > ___ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively
Here some old pointers to our TDWG - biodiversity - ViBRANT work from 2013: http://www.gbif.org/resource/80862 https://mbgserv18.mobot.org/ocs/index.php/tdwg/2013/paper/view/545 creating this SMW wiki: http://terms.tdwg.org/wiki/ (with a SKOS vocab management system) My own assessment: there are serious limitation in SMW, which can be worked with (e.g. we use an in-wiki xslt script to post-process), but having a more powerful system like wikidata would be most welcome. However, to my present knowledge, the wikidata/wikibase based system would have to have a custom programmed user interface to make it usable, something the great semantic form extensions in SMW already make possible. Best gregor ___ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively
No, wouldn't know of any. Wikibase is still rather new in this field, and to the best of my knowledge there has been no evaluation of the two for the task of collaborative vocabulary management. On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 1:20 PM Claudia Müller-Birn wrote: > Dear Denny, > > Thanks for the pointers, some of them are surprisingly new to me. However, > I was wondering if there are articles that especially compared Wikibase and > Semantic MediaWiki. Any idea? > > Many thanks. > > Claudia > > > On 12 Oct 2016, at 22:05, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > > > > SMW has been used successfully in the past for such projects, indeed has > been developed with that in mind. A few papers here: > > > > http://www.semantic-cora.org/index.php/Publications_and_Talks > > > > http://www.aifb.kit.edu/web/Frank_Dengler/Publikationen/en > > > > > https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=PdsmmEkJ&citation_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:IjCSPb-OGe4C > > > https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=PdsmmEkJ&citation_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:2osOgNQ5qMEC > > > https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=PdsmmEkJ&citation_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:Tyk-4Ss8FVUC > > > > https://km.aifb.kit.edu/ws/ckc2007/accepted.htm#papers > > > > But these are just a few pointers, and I am sure it is quite out of that > by now. > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:54 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) < > nemow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Claudia Müller-Birn, 12/10/2016 21:11: > > > wonder if there are other projects than Wikidata that are using > Wikibase for structuring their data > > > > http://www.eagle-network.eu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page , as documented on > > http://wikiba.se/projects/ . You can ask on this list if you have > questions. > > > > Nemo > > > > ___ > > Wikidata mailing list > > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > ___ > > Wikidata mailing list > > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > > ___ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > ___ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively
Dear Denny, Thanks for the pointers, some of them are surprisingly new to me. However, I was wondering if there are articles that especially compared Wikibase and Semantic MediaWiki. Any idea? Many thanks. Claudia > On 12 Oct 2016, at 22:05, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > > SMW has been used successfully in the past for such projects, indeed has been > developed with that in mind. A few papers here: > > http://www.semantic-cora.org/index.php/Publications_and_Talks > > http://www.aifb.kit.edu/web/Frank_Dengler/Publikationen/en > > https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=PdsmmEkJ&citation_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:IjCSPb-OGe4C > > https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=PdsmmEkJ&citation_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:2osOgNQ5qMEC > > https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=PdsmmEkJ&citation_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:Tyk-4Ss8FVUC > > > https://km.aifb.kit.edu/ws/ckc2007/accepted.htm#papers > > But these are just a few pointers, and I am sure it is quite out of that by > now. > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:54 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) > wrote: > Claudia Müller-Birn, 12/10/2016 21:11: > > wonder if there are other projects than Wikidata that are using Wikibase > > for structuring their data > > http://www.eagle-network.eu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page , as documented on > http://wikiba.se/projects/ . You can ask on this list if you have questions. > > Nemo > > ___ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > ___ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata ___ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively
SMW has been used successfully in the past for such projects, indeed has been developed with that in mind. A few papers here: http://www.semantic-cora.org/index.php/Publications_and_Talks http://www.aifb.kit.edu/web/Frank_Dengler/Publikationen/en https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=PdsmmEkJ&citation_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:IjCSPb-OGe4C https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=PdsmmEkJ&citation_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:2osOgNQ5qMEC https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=PdsmmEkJ&citation_for_view=PdsmmEkJ:Tyk-4Ss8FVUC https://km.aifb.kit.edu/ws/ckc2007/accepted.htm#papers But these are just a few pointers, and I am sure it is quite out of that by now. On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:54 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Claudia Müller-Birn, 12/10/2016 21:11: > > wonder if there are other projects than Wikidata that are using Wikibase > for structuring their data > > http://www.eagle-network.eu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page , as documented on > http://wikiba.se/projects/ . You can ask on this list if you have > questions. > > Nemo > > ___ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > ___ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively
Dear Nemo, Great. Thank you. I will check this out and get back to you with questions (especially regarding the organisational setup) :) Best, Claudia > On 12 Oct 2016, at 21:54, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > > Claudia Müller-Birn, 12/10/2016 21:11: >> wonder if there are other projects than Wikidata that are using Wikibase for >> structuring their data > > http://www.eagle-network.eu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page , as documented on > http://wikiba.se/projects/ . You can ask on this list if you have questions. > > Nemo > > ___ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata ___ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Re: [Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively
Claudia Müller-Birn, 12/10/2016 21:11: wonder if there are other projects than Wikidata that are using Wikibase for structuring their data http://www.eagle-network.eu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page , as documented on http://wikiba.se/projects/ . You can ask on this list if you have questions. Nemo ___ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
[Wikidata] Using wikibase for creating structured vocabularies collaboratively
Dear all, We had a discussion about tools that allow for creating ontologies (or at least structured vocabularies) collaboratively in the context of terminology curation in the biological domain. Some people were in favor for Semantic MediaWiki, which made me wonder if there are other projects than Wikidata that are using Wikibase for structuring their data. I would be very interested in learning about experiences when setting up and using Wikibase locally. I have neither set up Semantic MediaWiki or Wikibase myself yet, and a better comparison of the two design principles behind the tools from a user’s perspective would be great. If you have any link, information, article to share in this direction, I would be happy because I couldn’t find anything by myself. Thanks in advance and I am happy to explain my use case in more detail if needed. Best, Claudia .. Human-Centered Computing (HCC) Freie Universität Berlin | Institute of Computer Science https://hcc.mi.fu-berlin.de ___ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
