[WikiEducator] Re: I'm sorry, HOW much?

2009-11-15 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Hi Edward, That's a very good example, and FLOSS Manuals is a great project. The OER Foundation is looking to develop the educational equivalent for open textbooks, study guides etc. A small commission from book sales and distribution - eg 10% which as a non profit, we reinvest back into paying a

[WikiEducator] Re: I'm sorry, HOW much?

2009-11-15 Thread Edward Cherlin
California is certifying free digital textbooks, so here the original source does not matter much. FLOSS Manuals and Earth Treasury have as part of their business models looking for development contracts for Free Software manuals and Free replacements for paper textbooks. I was paid to participat

[WikiEducator] Re: I'm sorry, HOW much?

2009-11-15 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Vriendelijke groeten Jaap You are very right -- in the case of most schools, national copyright law assigns copyright to the school, and not the teacher. However, in tertiary education this can be different, depending on institutional intellectual property policies and/or something called "academi

[WikiEducator] Re: copyright and newspaper articles

2009-11-15 Thread Jaapb
In my country, the Netherlands, schools and universities buy the right to use text (and other materials) for a reasonable sum, paid to an institution that pays the publishers and authors. Citations are free for everybody to make (mentioning the source) (this is international copyricht law). On N

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content? ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS

2009-11-15 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Hi Jan, in addition to carrying CD's around, there is a significant social impact associated with the freedom toaster concept. The freedom toaster alerts society to the fact that they do not need to purchase a non-free software license in order to have a fully functional computer system. It inform

[WikiEducator] Re: I'm sorry, HOW much?

2009-11-15 Thread Jaapb
One remark from a publisher from the Netherlands. If someone is working with a contact for a school (or any boss), in that contract should be an agreement about copyrights. Most institutions do own the rights of the texts of their workers if the workers write in working hours. So the rights (copy

[WikiEducator] Re: I'm sorry, HOW much?

2009-11-15 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Hi Steve, and others Great thread and very timely discussion :-). In many respects, this is the *raison* *d'**être* of the OER Foundation --- an independent organisation that provides leadership, networking and support for educators and educational institutions in fostering the development of a s

[WikiEducator] Re: I'm sorry, HOW much?

2009-11-15 Thread Mary
Licensing fees for databases of expert information to support the students learning and academic research are very expensive. If I understand this correctly, the university has to pay a fee per password for access to the propriatary databases such as DIALOG, LEXIS-NEXUS, APA. "KRI/Dialog has doubl

BEE Thank you: [WikiEducator] Re: copyright and newspaper articles

2009-11-15 Thread Mary
Thank you so much, Bee! Wonderful applications of fantastic materials. You are an inspiration! On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Barbara Dieu wrote: > > Hi Mary, > Some time ago I used an article from the Times for a reading > comprehension exercise and in order to have it online I had to ask fo

STEVE Thank you: [WikiEducator] Re: copyright and newspaper articles

2009-11-15 Thread Mary
Thank you Steve for your analysis, observations, and information. I will benefit from this as I work on creating materials. On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Steve Foerster wrote: > > Mary wrote: > > << My name is Mary Ziller and I recently joined your wonderful group. > I hope to learn a lot wit

WAYNE Thank you/: [WikiEducator] Re: copyright and newspaper articles

2009-11-15 Thread Mary
WAyne, Thank you f or the detailed and extensive response. I will follow up on the helpful links you provided. On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Wayne Mackintosh < mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mary, > > I see that our WikiEducator family is true to form providing links and > resource pe

NELLIE Thank you/ [WikiEducator] Re: copyright and newspaper articles

2009-11-15 Thread Mary
Thank you very much, Nellie. I great resource! On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 5:01 AM, NELLIE DEUTSCH < nellie.muller.deut...@gmail.com> wrote: > Mary and others, > Dr. Robert Diotalevi has publicly offered to help any educator with > copyrighs issues. Please email him at and say you are a Wikieducator:

ROB/ Thank you! [WikiEducator] Re: copyright and newspaper articles

2009-11-15 Thread Mary
Yes, Rob! Thank you kindly. This will be perfect! On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Robert Kruhlak wrote: > > Hi Mary, > > Welcome. Would Wikinews (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Main_Page) have > articles that you would find useful? They are released CC-BY and use > the MediaWiki software so would

[WikiEducator] Re: I'm sorry, HOW much?

2009-11-15 Thread Jesse Groppi
Hi all, I'm definitely just as excitable over this topic as everyone else. There's so much to get excited about! The first thing that came to my mind about the cost is that they probably tallied up every microscopically detailed expense; that's what US schools do, afterall. Also, some of t

[WikiEducator] Re: I'm sorry, HOW much?

2009-11-15 Thread Peter
Great discussion. And i would have to agree with the point about roles, responsibilities and the administrative processes cost big $$$. Also fold in the legal costs of dealing with copyright confirmation / issues and there you go 15k burn. Certainly bodes well for OER and all the new approaches t

[WikiEducator] Re: I'm sorry, HOW much?

2009-11-15 Thread Samuel Rose
I agree with PR, Yet, I also think that there is a role for service organizations that are already trusted in local communities to take on the role of "vetting" and "certification". This is what we are doing with Open Education related to Local Food Systems now... On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:39

[WikiEducator] Re: I'm sorry, HOW much?

2009-11-15 Thread Randy Fisher
Hi All, Interesting points - maybe we have to open another front in the drive to embracing open education - PR. Perhaps amongst us, we can find PR friends of open education, and help the wheels turn a bit faster.. I'm thinking opinion pieces news items, articles, promotions, events, etc. .These PR

[WikiEducator] Re: when registered for eL4C32 course does one receive email or any reaction?

2009-11-15 Thread Robert Kruhlak
Hi Gene, Your user page [[User:Geneloeb]] now contains some information about the workshop. If you navigate to the bottom of the page you will see a welcome message. There is a link to the pre-work and Day 1 activities. The dates of the workshop are: November 23 - December 4 It is also a good

[WikiEducator] Re: I'm sorry, HOW much?

2009-11-15 Thread valerie
Sam got this right, especially in US education - Right now people "trust" the "brand" of MIT - the infallibility of anything that costs a lot of money and has a great PR department. Wikipedia, Connexions, MERLOT are free, so most of my colleagues are unwilling to consider these as academically ri

[WikiEducator] Re: I'm sorry, HOW much?

2009-11-15 Thread eliza papajanis
Hi Steve, I am glad I have found your post as it partly relates to my question (placed on 'Apennyforyourthought"ning already online)and touches a very sensitive subject of balance between the techers pay and their fear of truth on matters related to the education.Would you be so kind and take a loo

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content? ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS

2009-11-15 Thread valerie
Hi Jan You have reminded us of the range of learners to be helped. Expanding mobile phones capabilities bypass many of the problems that you describe and we are seeing amazing progress there. We can be working to immediately benefit learners in less challenging situations. There is an enormous o

[WikiEducator] Re: I'm sorry, HOW much?

2009-11-15 Thread Samuel Rose
Hi Steve, greetings Wiki Educator My name is Sam Rose I am Director of Forward Foundation, partner in Future Forward Institute, creator of open source http://socialmediaclassroom.com, http://localfoodsystems.org and a member of http://p2pfoundation.net a quick response follows: On Sun, Nov 15,

[WikiEducator] Re: I'm sorry, HOW much?

2009-11-15 Thread Randy Fisher
Hi Steve, Ahh, that's a good point - do you think a responsive letter to the editor would be a good idea? You could point out the merits of using WE... - Randy On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:34 AM, Steve Foerster wrote: > > Interesting article in the Guardian about OERs: > > http://tinyurl.com/yhf

[WikiEducator] Re: copyright and newspaper articles

2009-11-15 Thread NELLIE DEUTSCH
Hi Bee, Thank you for sharing this and I am anxiously waiting to see your work on WikiEducator. Let me know how I can be of help. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Sharing is Caring! Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instruction Integrating Technology for Active Life-long Learning (I

[WikiEducator] Re: copyright and newspaper articles

2009-11-15 Thread Barbara Dieu
Hi Mary, Some time ago I used an article from the Times for a reading comprehension exercise and in order to have it online I had to ask for a special permission and stick it on the page (or else pay $ 2000 to have it. See: http://beespace.net/resources/hotpot/wtc1.html Some published content

[WikiEducator] I'm sorry, HOW much?

2009-11-15 Thread Steve Foerster
Interesting article in the Guardian about OERs: http://tinyurl.com/yhf44oj What got me was the part near the end where it's talking about MIT's OpenCourseWare project and says, "But it costs the university between $10,000 and $15,000 to put the material from each course online because the materi

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-15 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 03:05, Jan Visser wrote: > Wayne and Kirby (others?), > > I agree regarding OLPC and the (limited) practice emerging from it. It’s a > different use of the technology than what’s normally being done. Papert’s > work from a long time ago is, I assume, still an inspiration f

[WikiEducator] Re: copyright and newspaper articles

2009-11-15 Thread Steve Foerster
Mary wrote: << My name is Mary Ziller and I recently joined your wonderful group. I hope to learn a lot with you. I have a question that I would like to ask the group. I searched the group archives on "copyright" and found only one thread that did not answer my question: How much of a newspaper a

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content? ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS

2009-11-15 Thread Jan Visser
After further reading I think I understand the concept better. But it's still the problem that even when carrying CD's around to places like the ones I described, the assumption is that you'll find some minimal infrastructure and equipment there that allows you to play them. But I agree, it solves

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-15 Thread Jan Visser
Wayne and Kirby (others?), I agree regarding OLPC and the (limited) practice emerging from it. It's a different use of the technology than what's normally being done. Papert's work from a long time ago is, I assume, still an inspiration for those alternative uses. It's therefore different also fro

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-15 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:40, kirby urner wrote: > > My impression is there's a huge amount of free content if (a) you have > access to the Internet and (b) you have enough education to know how > to read and study the materials, find your peer groups, organize a > learning experience resulting

[WikiEducator] Re: copyright and newspaper articles

2009-11-15 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Hi Mary, I see that our WikiEducator family is true to form providing links and resource people to assist with your copyright questions. Copyright is a complex topic and especially when transcending international boundaries. Apology for the long email -- but this post may be useful for future mem

[WikiEducator] Re: copyright and newspaper articles

2009-11-15 Thread Randy Fisher
Hi Rob, Thanks for this - it's a great little gem, and demonstrates why interoperability of content is so important to the sustainability of our open education ecosystem. - Randy On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Robert Kruhlak wrote: > > Hi Mary, > > Welcome. Would Wikinews (http://en.wikinew