Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts (was: Newbie and not-so-newbie biting)

2009-09-23 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: 2009/9/22 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: Some you would expect there to be enough material for this sort of treatment. Others less so. I like the idea of doing this sort of thing for very long biographcal

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-23 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: Now we can {{note|foo}}^W^W{{r|foo}} like it's 2005! But seriously, I find this discouraging - a sign of dysfunctionality. All the work put in to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts

2009-09-23 Thread Surreptitiousness
Carcharoth wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: 2009/9/22 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: Some you would expect there to be enough material for this sort of treatment. Others less so. I like the idea of doing this sort of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Permission required on copyright expired images...

2009-09-23 Thread Liam Wyatt
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: Actually this isn't a copyright discussion. http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=581 To ensure that publication of material from its

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-23 Thread Surreptitiousness
Gwern Branwen wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: Now we can {{note|foo}}^W^W{{r|foo}} like it's 2005! But seriously, I find this discouraging - a sign of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts

2009-09-23 Thread Charles Matthews
Surreptitiousness wrote I don't really know what you do with early life articles. I'm still working out how you define early life. Case-by-case, I should think. There is one on John Milton, going up to 1640 or so, which makes a lot of sense. Some lives are heavily segmented (e.g. Winston

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts (was: Newbie and not-so-newbie biting)

2009-09-23 Thread David Goodman
A modern book length biography of Johnson would certainly have chapters for different stages in his life (though Boswell wrote his in chronological order by year, but otherwise in a single continuous sequence (with the result that in the usual modern edition, the 4 vol. work needs a 2 vol.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts

2009-09-23 Thread Surreptitiousness
Charles Matthews wrote: Surreptitiousness wrote I don't really know what you do with early life articles. I'm still working out how you define early life. Case-by-case, I should think. Feel free to chip in at [[Wikipedia:Case-by-case]], seems to be needed.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts (was: Newbie and not-so-newbie biting)

2009-09-23 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:22 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: A modern book length biography of Johnson would certainly have chapters for different stages in his life (though Boswell wrote his in chronological order by year, but otherwise in a single continuous sequence (with the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts (was: Newbie and not-so-newbie biting)

2009-09-23 Thread David Goodman
We could do even more: there are book-length works based on specific periods in his life (Kaminski's Early career of Samuel Johnson; Clifford's Dictionary Johnson : Samuel Johnson's middle years. I meant that it would be *possible* for us to do this without violating WP:OR, not that we

Re: [WikiEN-l] Permission required on copyright expired images...

2009-09-23 Thread Durova
Actually the Bundesarchiv did something along those lines with 100,000 images last December. They owned unambiguous copyright over the collection so they relicensed medium resolution versions under CC-by-sa and uploaded those to Commons while they retained full copyright over the high resolution

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts (was: Newbie and not-so-newbie biting)

2009-09-23 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/9/23 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: Because transclusions like that are dynamic, that sort of thing severely messes up the page history - you can't see what the article looked like at any one time, because the editing took place in the subarticles, not on the main article, and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts (was: Newbie and not-so-newbie biting)

2009-09-23 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: snip Never underestimate the effects of recentism ;-) Indeed. Although, peering into my crystal ball, into the future, far as human eye can see... 10,000 years in the future, and Barack Obama is a small paragraph

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts (was: Newbie and not-so-newbie biting)

2009-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:50 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Never underestimate the effects of recentism ;-) Indeed. Although, peering into my crystal ball, into the future, far as human eye can see... 10,000 years in the future, and Barack Obama is a small paragraph in

Re: [WikiEN-l] Permission required on copyright expired images...

2009-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: This is absolutely standard, at least in Australia. For example, see the snip Thanks for that informative reply, that was really helpful. I wish I'd gone to GLAM-WIKI, I probably could have gotten work to pay for it too...

Re: [WikiEN-l] Permission required on copyright expired images...

2009-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: 4. Persuade the staff to change policy. This is the approach I've been working on, one institution at a time.  A group of volunteers have been pooling information and resources toward that end.  We've had some successes

Re: [WikiEN-l] Permission required on copyright expired images...

2009-09-23 Thread Durova
Most of these institutions have a mission to inform the public. Openness helps fulfill that mission. In the Bundesarchiv's case, donation of 100,000 images significantly increased their sales of images. That may seem counterintuitive but if an organization is smart about it everyone benefits.

Re: [WikiEN-l] German Wikipedia and Sei grausam

2009-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: The Google translation is hilarious, but the gist comes through: Hmm, Assume good intentions seems so much clearer than assume good faith. Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] German Wikipedia and Sei grausam

2009-09-23 Thread Erik Moeller
With all due respect to my friends in de.wp and speaking purely as a community member, there are some valid points in the essay, but a page title like Be cruel is IMO inherently unhelpful to our objective to be a friendly and welcoming community. Erik

Re: [WikiEN-l] German Wikipedia and Sei grausam

2009-09-23 Thread stevertigo
Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: With all due respect to my friends in de.wp and speaking purely as a community member, there are some valid points in the essay, but a page title like Be cruel is IMO inherently unhelpful to our objective to be a friendly and welcoming community. So,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Surreptitiousness surreptitious.wikiped...@googlemail.com wrote: [[Wikipedia:Footnote3]] explains it all.  I can't work out the difference, except maybe it took Dragons flight a lot of work to give us what we already had? Interesting. I'm not sure why we

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
Just having a quick look at where these templates are still used, and I see some novel uses: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigard,_Oregon#Government Here they're not being used for referencing, but to create specific footnotes for a specific section. Steve

[WikiEN-l] Invitation for review

2009-09-23 Thread stevertigo
User:Tznkai would like your opinion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Invitation_for_review -Stevertigo ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: