On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:34 PM, David Levy wrote:
> Carcharoth wrote:
>
>> Surely if the ending is still described in the article (as I was
>> careful to say), NPOV wouldn't be affected? All I'm saying is that if
>> there was a specific OTRS request that c
so
> third edition is unlikely"
>
> (One therefore wonders the continuing usefulness of edition numbers.)
Print-only? Online-only, surely? Even online, I suspect you would have
edition numbers to identify major updates, with more frequent updates
occurr
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:50 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 29 August 2010 18:44, Carcharoth wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:29 PM, David Gerard wrote:
>
>>> I ask again: if the case came to you that one side was saying "we must
>>> do this to the artic
he text of the
article (as long as it appears before the ending or identity is
revealed). In both cases, there has been independent commentary and
coverage of the "secrecy" aspect of this, so saying within the article
that XYZ have objected to the ending/identity being
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 29 August 2010 17:16, Carcharoth wrote:
>
>> Does no-one want to discuss whether the ending of the Mousetrap play
>> This is not an invitation to revive the whole spoiler debate, but this
>> situation is slightly
tice serves as a spoiler notice that the article
reveals and discusses the ending" (modified as needed).
Seem courteous, but can Wikipedia be courteous?
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he driving away you describe occurs.
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:56 AM, WereSpielChequers
wrote:
> One key difference between Wikipedia and webypedia - you need to
> register to search it. This novel approach will presumably be fixed,
> but as they evidently haven't sus
ldn't be too hard to
adapt the code to this sort of purpose (though obviously with a
different name and so on).
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:18 PM, WereSpielChequers
wrote:
> I appreciate that your suggestion is not to have admins. But aside
> from the issue that juries will be slo
FA, which is five candidates, all
at over 97%. Doesn't that mean there is less of a problem than people
think?
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Something about RFA. This having failed,
> people look to resort to workarounds.
Would it be possible to set up a parallel system for granting a new
user-right, and let people vote with their feet as to which to run in
and participate in? That would be one way to phase in changes, with
the better s
abilities to more users.
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On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 6:12 PM, WereSpielChequers
wrote:
> Whilst any editor can tag an attack page for deletion or revert a
> vandalism, at present you need an admin to block a vandal or delete an
> attack page.
>
> When a vandal is on a s
cussion over "Wikiproject:"
> versus "WikiProject:"?
100 kilobytes? That seems a gross underestimate...
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was the best"... That would be a new phenomenon of "page
history edit warring" that becomes more likely as the age of Wikipedia
increases and the page versions for any one page increases as well.
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Seems fine to me (I'm in the UK).
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On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Alan Liefting wrote:
> Pages with 100s of references seem to be slow to load all of the listed
> references. Is this a server speed thing? Or is it our slow internet in
> NZ?
> Try it with http:/
is, but I'm not going to discuss it on a
mailing list (I don't mind discussing deletion debates, but discussing
article editing at this level of detail feels wrong). It really does
need to be discussed on-wiki.
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On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Carcharoth
wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
>>
>>> So, is this possible section appropriate or over the top:
>>
>>
>>
>>
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Carcharoth
wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
>
>> So, is this possible section appropriate or over the top:
>
>
>
> In principle fine, but would be better discussed on the talk page of
> the article. Discus
ere to there.
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On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:47 AM, John Vandenberg wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>> ...
>> Oh wait, I found a page here:
>>
>> http://www.fbi.gov/priorities/priorities.htm
>>
>> That would be a better source for images,
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:37 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 9 August 2010 20:26, Carcharoth wrote:
>
>> I think all images relating to the FBI should be taken from and
>> sourced to their photo gallery. Seems the most logical thing to do.
>
> The obvious steps would be
onal value image, in preference to a poor and dubious one, if we keep
> any.
I think all images relating to the FBI should be taken from and
sourced to their photo gallery. Seems the most logical thing to do.
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ved as
far as "official" images and the "photography license" are concerned.
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
> Actually if the FBI approached me I would know them by their manner,
> which is quite distinctive, although not impossible to mimic.
{{citation needed}}
:-)
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Shane Simmons wrote:
> On 8/9/10, Carcharoth wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:26 PM, FT2 wrote:
>
>>What is needed is a way
> >to find a genuine FBI badge and find someone willing to photograph it
> >and release that photogra
adge and finding who took this photograph).
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talk page as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Q_clearance
"Q clearance is a United States Department of Energy (DOE) security
clearance equivalent to a United States Department of Defense Top
Secret (TS) clearance and Critical Nuclear Weapon Design Information
(CNWDI)."
tion logs
involved citations of 18 U.S.C. §701, which is one of the statutes
being cited here as well.
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k on their feet, which they are not,
> bill those who disclose such images for the expense of changing design
> and issuing new badges or identification cards.
Please Google the number of sites offering badges for sale. I dread to
think how many are sting operations.
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tive
aspects of taking the photograph? I would say this at the deletion
debate, but that would likely get swallowed amongst the legal
arguments about badge impersonation (and I think Fred is wrong there).
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es of the
*seal* (equivalent to a logo). The 3D versus 2D stuff makes a
difference here (in the US at least), so you need explicit permission
from the *photographer* to use the image.
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I'm positive the design of such
badges has changed over the years. For all images, you really do want
to try and find the most reliable source possible, not some random
website.
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
> Well, I tried that and quickly found
>
> h
ewhat, given that most currencies now use
security methods that no high-resolution image will help with when
counterfeiting.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Currency#Counterfeiting_tag
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:43 AM, FT2 wrote:
> I think the "high resolution help
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 8 August 2010 14:22, Carcharoth wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:16 PM, David Gerard wrote:
>
>>> Possibly the WMF lawyer and PR person know more about the law and PR
>>> than you do? Did you ask them?
>
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:16 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 8 August 2010 14:03, Carcharoth wrote:
>
>> I agree. Which is why such arguments should be kept private. I'm still
>> mystified as to why this ended up in a national newspaper. The bare
>> facts of the dispute
WMF, we should have that debate, but if consensus is that it is
best left for legal counsels to deal with, that is fine as well,
though I would hope we don't have the spectacle of each round of
correspondence being published in the New York Times.
Carcharoth
_
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> On 8 August 2010 01:29, Carcharoth wrote:
>> I might be reading the wrong thread, but I've read through the "FBI
>> Seal and Wikimedia" thread on foundation-l, starting here:
>>
>> http://lists
;t mean that some of the concerns raised shouldn't be
considered in this or other contexts.
Carcharoth
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> Did that never make it as far as this mailing list? We all had great
> fun with it on foundation-l a few days ago.
>
> On
re written, and that, I agree,
does need careful integration with the existing articles.
I sometimes think getting an article to FA-status too soon can impede
its future development. There is a right moment to push for an article
to get to FA level, and there is a wrong moment as well.
Carcharo
eceived wisdom)
> changes. In that case, I default to the status quo on en-wp, which I think
> is better than not, as I'm sure most of us do.
Maybe "Constructionism" as an opposite to "Destructionism"?
I think another term used is "eventualism".
Carcharoth
_
Heh. I read "global banners" as people that enact "global bans"... :-)
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On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 12:19 AM, David Gerard wrote:
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: MZMcBride
> Date: 1 August 2010 23:42
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Global b
re
automated imports - that sort of question is something I've been
meaning to ask at Commons, and also trying to find out what proportion
of pictures get used in a recognisable way (and what is done with
pictures that are unlikely to ever be used).
Carcharoth
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:13 PM, S
They register the editors, but allow anyone to comment, as far as I
can tell. Dig around a bit and see what you think of the way they have
adapted the wiki model to their aims.
Carcharoth
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
> Never heard of it, but the medical profession
I recently came across this wiki:
http://www.medpedia.com/
It seemed a lot better than Wikipedia for what I wanted to look up.
Has anyone else come across this wiki before?
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ssion I get is that most of the discussion is happening
elsewhere, and some people will miss that discussion if there are not
pointers from that talk pages to the talk pages of the subpages.
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, that medical self-diagnosis stories are not a good idea for
the fundraiser.
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try at the time of the British Museum
meeetup, and I hope they do another one.
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u referring to here (if that is what you meant)?
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On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Charles Matthews
wrote:
> Carcharoth wrote:
>> It is an interesting point that being hardline about copyright puts
>> pressure on some organisations and governments to reconsider their
>> laws and regulations. But there is an element wh
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:43 AM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 16 July 2010 08:53, Carcharoth wrote:
>
>> One of the problems, though, is that the founding principle that
>> content must be freely licensed has resulted in large swathes of
>> images being declared forbidden (b
d
letting the reader follow it and make up their own mind is best.
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, you are stuck. What I would support in
such cases is an external link to a page documenting this. Kind of
like further reading.
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On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Ken Arromdee wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arm_Fall_Off_Boy
>
> Summary: A joke character with a similar n
t worth it". The latter I would
apply to intractable naming disputes. The amount of effort and debate
that gets expended on naming debates is, in most cases, just not worth
it. Cost-benefit analysis and all that.
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need to pick the right place and moment). Remonstrating
with someone in the middle of a discussion about something else ends
up being a distraction. I find it best to try and refocus people on
the substance of what is being discussed, and then to take up the
other is
does sound like quite a big expansion, actually. I think I may
have seen a precursor to that sort of presentation when Sue Gardner
attended a London meetup earlier in the year, which included those
involved in Wikimedia UK. It will be interesting
that whatever it is, it is now in
safe hands. It is all part and parcel of working together on such a
massive project as this.
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can easily lose stuff!
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On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Andrew Gray wrote:
> On 10 July 2010 18:10, Marc Riddell wrote:
>> I'm having trouble with the appearance of and, in some instances, gaining
>> access to various links on the WP site. The same thing
this itself. It has an
interest in some of these stories retaining a high profile.
The expenses scandal cover-up story (linked from the article you
linked to) is here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/7696484/MPs-accused-of-Wikipedia-expenses-cover-up.html
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On Sun, J
ki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Database_reports/Articles_containing_red-linked_files
Strange.
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On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Chad wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>> I noticed that a picture in an article was no longer displaying when
>> it had been displaying before:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menin_Gate
ercase) so maybe it is all part of the same thing?
Anyone know anything about all this, or know where there is a page
detailing what changed?
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On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Carcharoth wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Ryan Delaney wrote:
>> Here's another outside view of the goings-on in Wikipedia, especially with
>> respect to the current trend toward backing away from the former pure
>> interpr
. And the comments about business models reminded me of the
debate about how digital photography changed the business model for
the production of photograph prints.
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> http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1606233&seqNum=4
Thanks. For those who like to start at the beginning, here is a link
to the start of that article:
http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1606233
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year or two and
see whether those plot summaries survived or not, and what replaced
them (if anything).
I would hazard a guess that you could talk to readers all day and get
a different reader each time and a different opinion on different
areas each time. It is something that I would recomm
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM, AGK wrote:
> On 1 June 2010 16:17, Carcharoth wrote:
>> I'm not a moderator, but I've just been skipping those long posts.
>> They are annoying, but I may one day read those posts if I have
>> nothing better to do, and sometimes th
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
wrote:
> At 11:17 AM 6/1/2010, Carcharoth wrote:
>>On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Risker wrote:
>> > Procedural note to moderators: Perhaps it is time to consider a length
>> > limit on posting?
>>
>>
etter to do, and sometimes there is something interesting in
there.
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On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>> Cos I've never understood how bugzilla works, and there's something
>> weird about how you have to register over there and it is different
>> from
an idea of what count as "progress" here.
And I'm not overly worried about admin levels. Editor levels are what
is most important, and admins will always emerge from the pool of
those that edit. Admins that specialise too much and lose touch with
editing are more of a conc
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>> If you do get a developer to do that, can you also ask for the "what
>> links here" thing to distingush between links provided by template
>> con
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>> I also thought there was a template for lists of rivers, but the
>> template at the bottom of that page is generated by a template
>> parameter from Templa
frica topic
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Africa_topic) so there is no
way to actually link to the template as it displays in the article.
Which is more than a bit annoying.
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On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Casey Brown wrote:
> On 5/21/10, Carcharoth wrote:
>> now need to try typing the title of the longest article (which was
>> mentioned somewhere recently) to see if that will break the new gizmo.
>> :-)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w
ay be thrown by the changeover. Either
that, or I'm being lazy! :-)
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PS. Some diagrams would be helpful, do the pages people are pointed at
have diagrams?
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On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Rob Lanphier wrote:
> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>
>> By the way, I'm assuming that some edits will be of the sort "I would
>> normally remove the material and start a talk page discussion". In
>&
;I would
normally remove the material and start a talk page discussion". In
that case, is the right thing to do to approve the edit and then
remove the material and start a talk page discussion, and presumably
as a reviewer, your edit removing the material won't be caught up in
flagged revi
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:28 AM, AGK wrote:
> On 20 May 2010 16:23, Carcharoth wrote:
>> Yeah, but are they using the search box or using Google?
>
> A moot question. There is no excuse for having Wikipedia make do with
> a search box that is at best odd—and at worst an
h I'm not sure coagulating is quite the word you were
looking for! That implies the feedback, after an initial flow is
slowing down and turning into a solid, static mass. Maybe focusing or
congregating?
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Of course, I meant right-justified...
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Carcharoth wrote:
> I like the changes from what I can see so far. Some of the stuff I was
> saying earlier had gone is now back, so it looks like it was a
> temporary thing while the changes were made. I like th
title of the longest article (which was
mentioned somewhere recently) to see if that will break the new gizmo.
:-)
Carcharoth
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Naoko Komura wrote:
> Just a quick update:
>
> Updated search interface was rolled-out to English Wikipedia earlier
> toda
Might be of interest:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/10130195.stm
"Pakistan has blocked the popular video sharing website YouTube
because of its "growing sacrilegious content". [...] Some Wikipedia
pages are also now being restricted, latest reports say. [..
At its most basic level, this
> translates to "There are things in any field that everybody knows, and since
> everybody knows them nobody has bothered to write them down."
This I agree with.
> The combination results in a badly distended view of knowledge that has
&g
Yeah, but are they using the search box or using Google?
Carcharoth
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Amory Meltzer wrote:
> Well, according to Google, there are somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8
> billion internet users in the world. If we ignore those numbers and
> say only 1B use the
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Magnus Manske
wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>> Anyone know why there isn't an article on Wikipedia on polarized light
>> microscopy?
>
> Are you talking about [[Differential interference contrast
>
our years ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polarized_light_microscope&redirect=no
That may have made it less obvious that an article is needed.
And yes, I know the answer is "because no-one has written one yet",
but I thought I
even click on the "containing" bit either, because that is
no longer there in the drop down options.
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looks at what I typed in the past, which is often more helpful
that what the system thinks I am trying to type.
Anyone know how to resolve clashes between local autocompletes and
server-side autocompletes?
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On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Magnus Manske
wrote:
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>> But pressing the down button does nothing any more. *sigh*
>
> Yeah, they replaces A&B with C&D, then silently removed D. Be thankful
> that you stil
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> The link to Special:Search is the magnifying glass icon next to (or
> in) the search box.
>
> To get "Search" instead of "Go", do what Magnus Manske suggested a few days
> ago:
>
> "just type your
Unfortunately, I can't test what I just wrote in that last e-mail,
because I can't seem to connect to Wikipedia. I will need to find that
link to that technical page that is updated when there are problems.
http://techblog.wikimedia.org/
No, nothing there. Maybe it is just me?
t;search" functionality, but seeing as Google's
default is "search" not "go", I suspect more people are used to
getting a list of search results and clicking the top one than might
be realised.
Carcharoth
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Nathan wrote:
> cc'
here content is automatically updated over time. But there
may be others, of course.
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g compromise.
It's actually a refutation of your position (as were all the other
posts pointing out that automatic updating is a bad idea), but if you
want to call it a compromise, fair enough. :-)
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On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:39 AM, stevertigo wrote:
> Carcharoth wrote:
>> The usual solution is to use templates to flag up outdated material
>> for editors to review and check things did happen, and to issue the
>> needed corrections and updates.
>
> Exactly. I
rial
for editors to review and check things did happen, and to issue the
needed corrections and updates.
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hat without breaching
confidences.
The page WP:JIMBO does cover some of this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Role_of_Jimmy_Wales
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saying (this is a hypothetical quote, not an
actual one) "hey, maybe we could try and have a calm and reasonable
debate without mud-slinging and personal insults"?
i.e. the level of internal debate sometimes degenerates badly, but
that has always been the case.
Carcharoth
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That was 20 April 2010 (I've now restored the list).
Has anyone done a recent study to see how and why vandalism like that
is missed and how common it is for such things to be mi
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Magnus Manske
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> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
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>> I'm used to typing the term for a page I know is there and hitting
>> "search" (instead of "go") because I want the re
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