Re: [WikiEN-l] "Wikipedia committee member"

2010-08-30 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:34 PM, David Levy wrote: > Carcharoth wrote: > >> Surely if the ending is still described in the article (as I was >> careful to say), NPOV wouldn't be affected? All I'm saying is that if >> there was a specific OTRS request that c

Re: [WikiEN-l] OED goes print-only

2010-08-29 Thread Carcharoth
so > third edition is unlikely" > > (One therefore wonders the continuing usefulness of edition numbers.) Print-only? Online-only, surely? Even online, I suspect you would have edition numbers to identify major updates, with more frequent updates occurr

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Wikipedia committee member"

2010-08-29 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:50 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 29 August 2010 18:44, Carcharoth wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:29 PM, David Gerard wrote: > >>> I ask again: if the case came to you that one side was saying "we must >>> do this to the artic

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Wikipedia committee member"

2010-08-29 Thread Carcharoth
he text of the article (as long as it appears before the ending or identity is revealed). In both cases, there has been independent commentary and coverage of the "secrecy" aspect of this, so saying within the article that XYZ have objected to the ending/identity being

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Wikipedia committee member"

2010-08-29 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 29 August 2010 17:16, Carcharoth wrote: > >> Does no-one want to discuss whether the ending of the Mousetrap play >> This is not an invitation to revive the whole spoiler debate, but this >> situation is slightly

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Wikipedia committee member"

2010-08-29 Thread Carcharoth
tice serves as a spoiler notice that the article reveals and discusses the ending" (modified as needed). Seem courteous, but can Wikipedia be courteous? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Webypedia - another doomed alternative to Wikipedia

2010-08-27 Thread Carcharoth
he driving away you describe occurs. Carcharoth On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:56 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: > One key difference between Wikipedia and webypedia - you need to > register to search it. This novel approach will presumably be fixed, > but as they evidently haven't sus

Re: [WikiEN-l] Replacing admins with a slower less efficient method for blocking vandals and deleting attack pages

2010-08-24 Thread Carcharoth
ldn't be too hard to adapt the code to this sort of purpose (though obviously with a different name and so on). Carcharoth On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:18 PM, WereSpielChequers wrote: > I appreciate that your suggestion is not to have admins. But aside > from the issue that juries will be slo

Re: [WikiEN-l] Superusers?

2010-08-21 Thread Carcharoth
FA, which is five candidates, all at over 97%. Doesn't that mean there is less of a problem than people think? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimed

Re: [WikiEN-l] Superusers?

2010-08-21 Thread Carcharoth
Something about RFA. This having failed, > people look to resort to workarounds. Would it be possible to set up a parallel system for granting a new user-right, and let people vote with their feet as to which to run in and participate in? That would be one way to phase in changes, with the better s

Re: [WikiEN-l] Superusers?

2010-08-21 Thread Carcharoth
abilities to more users. Carcharoth On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 6:12 PM, WereSpielChequers wrote: > Whilst any editor can tag an attack page for deletion or revert a > vandalism, at present you need an admin to block a vandal or delete an > attack page. > > When a vandal is on a s

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:WikiProject >> Project

2010-08-17 Thread Carcharoth
cussion over "Wikiproject:" > versus "WikiProject:"? 100 kilobytes? That seems a gross underestimate... Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Destructionism

2010-08-15 Thread Carcharoth
was the best"... That would be a new phenomenon of "page history edit warring" that becomes more likely as the age of Wikipedia increases and the page versions for any one page increases as well. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list Wiki

Re: [WikiEN-l] Page loading

2010-08-12 Thread Carcharoth
Seems fine to me (I'm in the UK). Carcharoth On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Alan Liefting wrote: > Pages with 100s of references seem to be slow to load all of the listed > references. Is this a server speed thing? Or is it our slow internet in > NZ? > Try it with http:/

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-10 Thread Carcharoth
is, but I'm not going to discuss it on a mailing list (I don't mind discussing deletion debates, but discussing article editing at this level of detail feels wrong). It really does need to be discussed on-wiki. Carcharoth ___ WikiE

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-10 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Carcharoth wrote: > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Carcharoth > wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> >>> So, is this possible section appropriate or over the top: >> >> >> >>

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-10 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Carcharoth wrote: > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > >> So, is this possible section appropriate or over the top: > > > > In principle fine, but would be better discussed on the talk page of > the article. Discus

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-10 Thread Carcharoth
ere to there. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-10 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:47 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Carcharoth > wrote: >> ... >> Oh wait, I found a page here: >> >> http://www.fbi.gov/priorities/priorities.htm >> >> That would be a better source for images,

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:37 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 9 August 2010 20:26, Carcharoth wrote: > >> I think all images relating to the FBI should be taken from and >> sourced to their photo gallery. Seems the most logical thing to do. > > The obvious steps would be

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
onal value image, in preference to a poor and dubious one, if we keep > any. I think all images relating to the FBI should be taken from and sourced to their photo gallery. Seems the most logical thing to do. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
ved as far as "official" images and the "photography license" are concerned. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Actually if the FBI approached me I would know them by their manner, > which is quite distinctive, although not impossible to mimic. {{citation needed}} :-) Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailin

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Shane Simmons wrote: > On 8/9/10, Carcharoth wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:26 PM, FT2 wrote: > >>What is needed is a way >  >to find a genuine FBI badge and find someone willing to photograph it >  >and release that photogra

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
adge and finding who took this photograph). Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
talk page as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Q_clearance "Q clearance is a United States Department of Energy (DOE) security clearance equivalent to a United States Department of Defense Top Secret (TS) clearance and Critical Nuclear Weapon Design Information (CNWDI)."

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
tion logs involved citations of 18 U.S.C. §701, which is one of the statutes being cited here as well. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/list

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
k on their feet, which they are not, > bill those who disclose such images for the expense of changing design > and issuing new badges or identification cards. Please Google the number of sites offering badges for sale. I dread to think how many are sting operations. Carcharoth __

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
tive aspects of taking the photograph? I would say this at the deletion debate, but that would likely get swallowed amongst the legal arguments about badge impersonation (and I think Fred is wrong there). Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing li

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
es of the *seal* (equivalent to a logo). The 3D versus 2D stuff makes a difference here (in the US at least), so you need explicit permission from the *photographer* to use the image. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wi

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
-SecretService-StarLogo.svg Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
I'm positive the design of such badges has changed over the years. For all images, you really do want to try and find the most reliable source possible, not some random website. Carcharoth On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Well, I tried that and quickly found > > h

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
ewhat, given that most currencies now use security methods that no high-resolution image will help with when counterfeiting. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Currency#Counterfeiting_tag Carcharoth On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:43 AM, FT2 wrote: > I think the "high resolution help

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-08 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 8 August 2010 14:22, Carcharoth wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:16 PM, David Gerard wrote: > >>> Possibly the WMF lawyer and PR person know more about the law and PR >>> than you do? Did you ask them? >

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-08 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:16 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 8 August 2010 14:03, Carcharoth wrote: > >> I agree. Which is why such arguments should be kept private. I'm still >> mystified as to why this ended up in a national newspaper. The bare >> facts of the dispute

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-08 Thread Carcharoth
WMF, we should have that debate, but if consensus is that it is best left for legal counsels to deal with, that is fine as well, though I would hope we don't have the spectacle of each round of correspondence being published in the New York Times. Carcharoth _

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-07 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 8 August 2010 01:29, Carcharoth wrote: >> I might be reading the wrong thread, but I've read through the "FBI >> Seal and Wikimedia" thread on foundation-l, starting here: >> >> http://lists

Re: [WikiEN-l] FBI vs. Wikipedia

2010-08-07 Thread Carcharoth
;t mean that some of the concerns raised shouldn't be considered in this or other contexts. Carcharoth On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > Did that never make it as far as this mailing list? We all had great > fun with it on foundation-l a few days ago. > > On

Re: [WikiEN-l] Destructionism

2010-08-07 Thread Carcharoth
re written, and that, I agree, does need careful integration with the existing articles. I sometimes think getting an article to FA-status too soon can impede its future development. There is a right moment to push for an article to get to FA level, and there is a wrong moment as well. Carcharo

Re: [WikiEN-l] Destructionism

2010-08-07 Thread Carcharoth
eceived wisdom) > changes. In that case, I default to the status quo on en-wp, which I think > is better than not, as I'm sure most of us do. Maybe "Constructionism" as an opposite to "Destructionism"? I think another term used is "eventualism". Carcharoth _

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Global banners requests for comment

2010-08-01 Thread Carcharoth
Heh. I read "global banners" as people that enact "global bans"... :-) Carcharoth On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 12:19 AM, David Gerard wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: MZMcBride > Date: 1 August 2010 23:42 > Subject: [Foundation-l] Global b

Re: [WikiEN-l] Medpedia

2010-07-29 Thread Carcharoth
re automated imports - that sort of question is something I've been meaning to ask at Commons, and also trying to find out what proportion of pictures get used in a recognisable way (and what is done with pictures that are unlikely to ever be used). Carcharoth On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:13 PM, S

Re: [WikiEN-l] Medpedia

2010-07-29 Thread Carcharoth
They register the editors, but allow anyone to comment, as far as I can tell. Dig around a bit and see what you think of the way they have adapted the wiki model to their aims. Carcharoth On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Never heard of it, but the medical profession

[WikiEN-l] Medpedia

2010-07-29 Thread Carcharoth
I recently came across this wiki: http://www.medpedia.com/ It seemed a lot better than Wikipedia for what I wanted to look up. Has anyone else come across this wiki before? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Pending Changes update for July 28

2010-07-28 Thread Carcharoth
ssion I get is that most of the discussion is happening elsewhere, and some people will miss that discussion if there are not pointers from that talk pages to the talk pages of the subpages. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.or

Re: [WikiEN-l] Kicking off the 2010-2011 fundraiser

2010-07-27 Thread Carcharoth
, that medical self-diagnosis stories are not a good idea for the fundraiser. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Prizes and the British Museum and Wikipedia

2010-07-26 Thread Carcharoth
try at the time of the British Museum meeetup, and I hope they do another one. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-19 Thread Carcharoth
u referring to here (if that is what you meant)? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Carcharoth
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Charles Matthews wrote: > Carcharoth wrote: >> It is an interesting point that being hardline about copyright puts >> pressure on some organisations and governments to reconsider their >> laws and regulations. But there is an element wh

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Carcharoth
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:43 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 16 July 2010 08:53, Carcharoth wrote: > >> One of the problems, though, is that the founding principle that >> content must be freely licensed has resulted in large swathes of >> images being declared forbidden (b

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Carcharoth
d letting the reader follow it and make up their own mind is best. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

2010-07-15 Thread Carcharoth
, you are stuck. What I would support in such cases is an external link to a page documenting this. Kind of like further reading. Carcharoth On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Ken Arromdee wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arm_Fall_Off_Boy > > Summary: A joke character with a similar n

Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin / experienced user flameout - how do we talk people down off the ledge?

2010-07-13 Thread Carcharoth
t worth it". The latter I would apply to intractable naming disputes. The amount of effort and debate that gets expended on naming debates is, in most cases, just not worth it. Cost-benefit analysis and all that. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list Wi

Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin / experienced user flameout - how do we talk people down off the ledge?

2010-07-13 Thread Carcharoth
need to pick the right place and moment). Remonstrating with someone in the middle of a discussion about something else ends up being a distraction. I find it best to try and refocus people on the substance of what is being discussed, and then to take up the other is

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Wikipedia’s Foundation Plans Exp ansion"

2010-07-12 Thread Carcharoth
does sound like quite a big expansion, actually. I think I may have seen a precursor to that sort of presentation when Sue Gardner attended a London meetup earlier in the year, which included those involved in Wikimedia UK. It will be interesting

Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin / experienced user flameout - how do we talk people down off the ledge?

2010-07-12 Thread Carcharoth
that whatever it is, it is now in safe hands. It is all part and parcel of working together on such a massive project as this. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] I Need Some Help

2010-07-11 Thread Carcharoth
can easily lose stuff! Carcharoth On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > On 10 July 2010 18:10, Marc Riddell wrote: >> I'm having trouble with the appearance of and, in some instances, gaining >> access to various links on the WP site. The same thing

Re: [WikiEN-l] Telegraph (UK) - MPs editing their articles

2010-07-11 Thread Carcharoth
this itself. It has an interest in some of these stories retaining a high profile. The expenses scandal cover-up story (linked from the article you linked to) is here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/7696484/MPs-accused-of-Wikipedia-expenses-cover-up.html Carcharoth On Sun, J

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jpg versus jpeg file extensions

2010-07-09 Thread Carcharoth
ki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Database_reports/Articles_containing_red-linked_files Strange. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.or

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jpg versus jpeg file extensions

2010-07-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Chad wrote: > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Carcharoth > wrote: >> I noticed that a picture in an article was no longer displaying when >> it had been displaying before: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menin_Gate

[WikiEN-l] Jpg versus jpeg file extensions

2010-07-09 Thread Carcharoth
ercase) so maybe it is all part of the same thing? Anyone know anything about all this, or know where there is a page detailing what changed? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, vi

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Wikipedia’s Labor Squeeze and It s Consequences"

2010-07-08 Thread Carcharoth
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Carcharoth wrote: > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Ryan Delaney wrote: >> Here's another outside view of the goings-on in Wikipedia, especially with >> respect to the current trend toward backing away from the former pure >> interpr

Re: [WikiEN-l] Interesting exchange on copyright

2010-07-08 Thread Carcharoth
. And the comments about business models reminded me of the debate about how digital photography changed the business model for the production of photograph prints. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from t

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Wikipedia’s Labor Squeeze and It s Consequences"

2010-07-08 Thread Carcharoth
; > http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1606233&seqNum=4 Thanks. For those who like to start at the beginning, here is a link to the start of that article: http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1606233 Carcharoth

Re: [WikiEN-l] Cheatsheet

2010-06-29 Thread Carcharoth
year or two and see whether those plot summaries survived or not, and what replaced them (if anything). I would hazard a guess that you could talk to readers all day and get a different reader each time and a different opinion on different areas each time. It is something that I would recomm

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM, AGK wrote: > On 1 June 2010 16:17, Carcharoth wrote: >> I'm not a moderator, but I've just been skipping those long posts. >> They are annoying, but I may one day read those posts if I have >> nothing better to do, and sometimes th

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 11:17 AM 6/1/2010, Carcharoth wrote: >>On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Risker wrote: >> > Procedural note to moderators:  Perhaps it is time to consider a length >> > limit on posting? >> >>

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread Carcharoth
etter to do, and sometimes there is something interesting in there. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] List of Rivers of Egpyt - what to do?

2010-05-28 Thread Carcharoth
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Carcharoth > wrote: >> Cos I've never understood how bugzilla works, and there's something >> weird about how you have to register over there and it is different >> from

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins

2010-05-27 Thread Carcharoth
an idea of what count as "progress" here. And I'm not overly worried about admin levels. Editor levels are what is most important, and admins will always emerge from the pool of those that edit. Admins that specialise too much and lose touch with editing are more of a conc

Re: [WikiEN-l] List of Rivers of Egpyt - what to do?

2010-05-26 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Carcharoth > wrote: >> If you do get a developer to do that, can you also ask for the "what >> links here" thing to distingush between links provided by template >> con

Re: [WikiEN-l] List of Rivers of Egpyt - what to do?

2010-05-25 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Carcharoth > wrote: >> I also thought there was a template for lists of rivers, but the >> template at the bottom of that page is generated by a template >> parameter from Templa

Re: [WikiEN-l] List of Rivers of Egpyt - what to do?

2010-05-25 Thread Carcharoth
frica topic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Africa_topic) so there is no way to actually link to the template as it displays in the article. Which is more than a bit annoying. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wi

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-22 Thread Carcharoth
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Casey Brown wrote: > On 5/21/10, Carcharoth wrote: >> now need to try typing the title of the longest article (which was >> mentioned somewhere recently) to see if that will break the new gizmo. >> :-) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/w

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Protection Revert Etiquette (Re: Renaming "Flagged Protections")

2010-05-22 Thread Carcharoth
ay be thrown by the changeover. Either that, or I'm being lazy! :-) Carcharoth PS. Some diagrams would be helpful, do the pages people are pointed at have diagrams? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this ma

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Protection Revert Etiquette (Re: Renaming "Flagged Protections")

2010-05-22 Thread Carcharoth
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Rob Lanphier wrote: > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Carcharoth > wrote: > >> By the way, I'm assuming that some edits will be of the sort "I would >> normally remove the material and start a talk page discussion". In >&

Re: [WikiEN-l] Renaming "Flagged Protections"

2010-05-21 Thread Carcharoth
;I would normally remove the material and start a talk page discussion". In that case, is the right thing to do to approve the edit and then remove the material and start a talk page discussion, and presumably as a reviewer, your edit removing the material won't be caught up in flagged revi

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-21 Thread Carcharoth
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:28 AM, AGK wrote: > On 20 May 2010 16:23, Carcharoth wrote: >> Yeah, but are they using the search box or using Google? > > A moot question. There is no excuse for having Wikipedia make do with > a search box that is at best odd—and at worst an

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikipedia-l] full-text searching since the Vector switch in en.wikipedia

2010-05-21 Thread Carcharoth
h I'm not sure coagulating is quite the word you were looking for! That implies the feedback, after an initial flow is slowing down and turning into a solid, static mass. Maybe focusing or congregating? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Carcharoth
Of course, I meant right-justified... On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Carcharoth wrote: > I like the changes from what I can see so far. Some of the stuff I was > saying earlier had gone is now back, so it looks like it was a > temporary thing while the changes were made. I like th

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Carcharoth
title of the longest article (which was mentioned somewhere recently) to see if that will break the new gizmo. :-) Carcharoth On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Naoko Komura wrote: > Just a quick update: > > Updated search interface was rolled-out to English Wikipedia earlier > toda

[WikiEN-l] Country-specific blocking of websites

2010-05-20 Thread Carcharoth
Might be of interest: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/10130195.stm "Pakistan has blocked the popular video sharing website YouTube because of its "growing sacrilegious content". [...] Some Wikipedia pages are also now being restricted, latest reports say. [..

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these bab ies are ugly

2010-05-20 Thread Carcharoth
At its most basic level, this > translates to "There are things in any field that everybody knows, and since > everybody knows them nobody has bothered to write them down." This I agree with. > The combination results in a badly distended view of knowledge that has &g

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Carcharoth
Yeah, but are they using the search box or using Google? Carcharoth On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Amory Meltzer wrote: > Well, according to Google, there are somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8 > billion internet users in the world.  If we ignore those numbers and > say only 1B use the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Polarized light microscopy

2010-05-20 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Carcharoth > wrote: >> Anyone know why there isn't an article on Wikipedia on polarized light >> microscopy? > > Are you talking about [[Differential interference contrast >

[WikiEN-l] Polarized light microscopy

2010-05-20 Thread Carcharoth
our years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polarized_light_microscope&redirect=no That may have made it less obvious that an article is needed. And yes, I know the answer is "because no-one has written one yet", but I thought I&#

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikipedia-l] full-text searching since the Vector switch in en.wikipedia

2010-05-19 Thread Carcharoth
even click on the "containing" bit either, because that is no longer there in the drop down options. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikipedia-l] full-text searching since the Vector switch in en.wikipedia

2010-05-19 Thread Carcharoth
looks at what I typed in the past, which is often more helpful that what the system thinks I am trying to type. Anyone know how to resolve clashes between local autocompletes and server-side autocompletes? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@l

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikipedia-l] full-text searching since the Vector switch in en.wikipedia

2010-05-19 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Carcharoth > wrote: >> But pressing the down button does nothing any more. *sigh* > > Yeah, they replaces A&B with C&D, then silently removed D. Be thankful > that you stil

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikipedia-l] full-text searching since the Vector switch in en.wikipedia

2010-05-19 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Carcharoth wrote: > The link to Special:Search is the magnifying glass icon next to (or > in) the search box. > > To get "Search" instead of "Go", do what Magnus Manske suggested a few days > ago: > > "just type your

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikipedia-l] full-text searching since the Vector switch in en.wikipedia

2010-05-19 Thread Carcharoth
Unfortunately, I can't test what I just wrote in that last e-mail, because I can't seem to connect to Wikipedia. I will need to find that link to that technical page that is updated when there are problems. http://techblog.wikimedia.org/ No, nothing there. Maybe it is just me?

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikipedia-l] full-text searching since the Vector switch in en.wikipedia

2010-05-19 Thread Carcharoth
t;search" functionality, but seeing as Google's default is "search" not "go", I suspect more people are used to getting a list of search results and clicking the top one than might be realised. Carcharoth On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Nathan wrote: > cc'

Re: [WikiEN-l] Temporal tags and outdating

2010-05-18 Thread Carcharoth
here content is automatically updated over time. But there may be others, of course. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Temporal tags and outdating

2010-05-18 Thread Carcharoth
g compromise. It's actually a refutation of your position (as were all the other posts pointing out that automatic updating is a bad idea), but if you want to call it a compromise, fair enough. :-) Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list Wiki

Re: [WikiEN-l] Temporal tags and outdating

2010-05-18 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:39 AM, stevertigo wrote: > Carcharoth wrote: >> The usual solution is to use templates to flag up outdated material >> for editors to review and check things did happen, and to issue the >> needed corrections and updates. > > Exactly. I

Re: [WikiEN-l] Temporal tags and outdating

2010-05-18 Thread Carcharoth
rial for editors to review and check things did happen, and to issue the needed corrections and updates. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Pedantry on privileges

2010-05-17 Thread Carcharoth
hat without breaching confidences. The page WP:JIMBO does cover some of this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Role_of_Jimmy_Wales Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, v

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these bab ies are ugly

2010-05-16 Thread Carcharoth
saying (this is a hypothetical quote, not an actual one) "hey, maybe we could try and have a calm and reasonable debate without mud-slinging and personal insults"? i.e. the level of internal debate sometimes degenerates badly, but that has always been the case. Carcharoth _

[WikiEN-l] Simple vandalism being missed

2010-05-15 Thread Carcharoth
.php?title=Congo_Basin&diff=357222409&oldid=353051579 That was 20 April 2010 (I've now restored the list). Has anyone done a recent study to see how and why vandalism like that is missed and how common it is for such things to be mi

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-14 Thread Carcharoth
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Magnus Manske wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Carcharoth > wrote: >> >> >> I'm used to typing the term for a page I know is there and hitting >> "search" (instead of "go") because I want the re

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