Re: [WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, b ut It’s a Desert for Photos

2009-07-22 Thread Durova
Click-throughs are much lower, often on the level of 15,000-30,000 during main page time. Yet remember these are also generating a steady stream of attention on the articles themselves. The one amateur photo of a sound card is receiving 2,000 direct page views at en:wiki plus an unknown number

Re: [WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, b ut It’s a Desert for Photos

2009-07-22 Thread Durova
Click-throughs are much lower, often on the level of 15,000-30,000 during main page time. Yet remember these are also generating a steady stream of attention on the articles themselves. The one amateur photo of a sound card is receiving 2,000 direct page views at en:wiki plus an unknown number

Re: [WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, b ut It’s a Desert for Photos

2009-07-21 Thread Magnus Manske
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Durovanadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: You might be surprised.  The biggest obstacle is that most of the people who own copyrights simply don't understand wikis and free culture.  They're used to thinking in terms of reproduction permission, which presupposes an

Re: [WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, b ut It’s a Desert for Photos

2009-07-21 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Magnus Manskemagnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Durovanadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: You might be surprised.  The biggest obstacle is that most of

Re: [WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, b ut It’s a Desert for Photos

2009-07-21 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:49 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/21 Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk: 2009/7/21 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: Yes, you are right. So how did we get to OTRS instead of directing people to the Upload button? I'm confused now. I'm sure

Re: [WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, b ut It’s a Desert for Photos

2009-07-20 Thread Durova
Many professional photographers have older work whose commercial value is almost nil. In fashion photography, for instance, the commercial lifespan of a photograph is extremely short. Here's a featured picture of that type: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gotsiy3edit2.jpg These types of shots

Re: [WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, b ut It’s a Desert for Photos

2009-07-20 Thread Durova
Yes, that's how we got the featured picture of Michele Merkin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Michele_Merkin_1.jpg Would you like to follow up on that idea? -Durova On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.comwrote: Has there ever been a concerted effort to

Re: [WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, b ut It’s a Desert for Photos

2009-07-20 Thread Judson Dunn
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Magnus Manskemagnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Has there ever been a concerted effort to contact some celebrity agents and suggest picture submissions? Agents sometimes send photos via OTRS, and are usually ok with licensing them freely. I don't think we have

Re: [WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, b ut It’s a Desert for Photos

2009-07-20 Thread Durova
Yes, I think that's what Videmus Omnia was doing. He used to have a subpage in userspace to explain it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Michele_Merkin_1.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Videmus_Omnia/Free_Imagesaction=editredlink=1 -Durova

Re: [WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, b ut It’s a Desert for Photos

2009-07-20 Thread Durova
Here's an example of what we could be showing the professional photographer community about how they can do well by doing good. The WP article is getting 30,000 page views per month: http://stats.grok.se/en/200906/Sound%20card Plus another 12,000 views at two other articles:

Re: [WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, b ut It’s a Desert for Photos

2009-07-20 Thread Durova
Geni is right; professional photographers who own an uncontroversial copyright over an image are completely within their rights to relicense and upload a low resolution version. That's what the Bundesarchiv did with 100,000 images last December. It doesn't really facilitate those negotiations,

Re: [WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, b ut It’s a Desert for Photos

2009-07-20 Thread Durova
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: Click-throughs are much lower, often on the level of 15,000-30,000 during main page time. Yet remember these are also generating a steady stream of attention on the articles themselves. The one amateur photo of a sound

Re: [WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, b ut It’s a Desert for Photos

2009-07-20 Thread Durova
You might be surprised. The biggest obstacle is that most of the people who own copyrights simply don't understand wikis and free culture. They're used to thinking in terms of reproduction permission, which presupposes an older type of static publication. That can change; what we need to do is