[WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia to out pseudonymous Erwin James, Guardian writ...

2009-04-25 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:02:52 EDT, wjhon...@{gag,vomit,retch}aol.com wrote: That's overreading and here is why. Omaha is in Nebraska. Henry Fonda was born in Omaha. Henry Fonda was born in Nebraska. Nebraska is a state with a low population which grows mainly corn. Henry Fonda was born in a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia to out pseudonymous Erwin James, Guardian writ...

2009-04-24 Thread Jay Litwyn
I agree that it is not original research to out someone. It is not prudent, though. My pseudonyms do not ask anybody to believe that I am posting under my given and family names. Someone might ask why, and I will tell them that I do not consider those names to be guarded secrets. Eric Blair

Re: [WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia to out pseudonymous Erwin James, Guardian writ...

2009-04-24 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/4/24 Nathan nawr...@gmail.com: The OR policy includes reference to original synthesis - which is not creating a primary source, but using available sources to draw an original conclusion. In this case, connecting the dots is absolutely original analysis leading to an original conclusion.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia to out pseudonymous Erwin James, Guardian writ...

2009-04-24 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 4/24/2009 6:30:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, nawr...@gmail.com writes: The OR policy includes reference to original synthesis - which is not creating a primary source, but using available sources to draw an original conclusion. In this case, connecting the dots is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia to out pseudonymous Erwin James, Guardian writ...

2009-04-24 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/4/24 wjhon...@aol.com: We have no source which states this.  It is a trival inference from the known statements.  We are allows to make trivial inferences, observations, conclusions. Yes, trivial is fine. From my understanding of this case (I haven't researched it in depth), the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia to out pseudonymous Erwin James, Guardian writ...

2009-04-24 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 4/24/2009 1:06:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes: Yes, trivial is fine. From my understanding of this case (I haven't researched it in depth), the inference was not trivial. Mr Brown shot his wife on 13 Aug 2006 in

Re: [WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia to out pseudonymous Erwin James, Guardian writ...

2009-04-24 Thread Nathan
Those two sequences of conclusions aren't the same. There is no original conclusion in the Henry Fonda/Nebraska. This is more analogous to you saying I've seen lots of corn in Nebraska, I know Fonda is from Omaha, therefore Fonda was born near lots of corn. Anyway, the policy is clear. You often

Re: [WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia to out pseudonymous Erwin James, Guardian writ...

2009-04-24 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/4/24 wjhon...@aol.com: In a message dated 4/24/2009 1:06:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes: Yes, trivial is fine. From my understanding of this case (I haven't researched it in depth), the inference was not trivial. Mr Brown shot

Re: [WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia to out pseudonymous Erwin James, Guardian writ...

2009-04-24 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 4/24/2009 1:22:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, nawr...@gmail.com writes: Anyway, the policy is clear. You often have an opinion on Wikipedia policies and practices that differs from the normal consensus interpretation, but it is the consensus interpretation that binds and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia to out pseudonymous Erwin James, Guardian writ...

2009-04-23 Thread WJhonson
It is my opinion that you cannot defame a person by telling the truth. This, like libel, is simply a way to try to use a hammer. You can't libel garbage by saying it stinks. Simply using newspaper archives does not constitute original research. So there must be more to your story than is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia to out pseudonymous Erwin James, Guardian writ...

2009-04-23 Thread Oldak Quill
2009/4/24 wjhon...@aol.com: It is my opinion that you cannot defame a person by telling the  truth. This, like libel, is simply a way to try to use a hammer. You can't libel garbage by saying it stinks. Simply using newspaper archives does not constitute original  research. So there must

Re: [WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia to out pseudonymous Erwin James, Guardian writ...

2009-04-23 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 4/23/2009 7:14:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oldakqu...@gmail.com writes: At the time, the basis of identifying him was putting known facts about the pseudonymous author (date of imprisonment, French Foreign Legion membership), against an old newspaper article containing

Re: [WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia to out pseudonymous Erwin James, Guardian writ...

2009-04-23 Thread Oldak Quill
2009/4/24 wjhon...@aol.com: In a message dated 4/23/2009 7:14:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oldakqu...@gmail.com writes: At the  time, the basis of identifying him was putting known facts about the  pseudonymous author (date of imprisonment, French Foreign Legion  membership), against an

Re: [WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia to out pseudonymous Erwin James, Guardian writ...

2009-04-23 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 4/23/2009 7:33:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oldakqu...@gmail.com writes: What if there had been more than one person imprisoned that year who had been a member of the French Foreign Legion? This is not inconceivable, since many people are imprisoned every year, and it is