Re: [WikiEN-l] --Wikipedia Manager 2012

2011-10-01 Thread Carcharoth
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: snip I still think we could do with more rewards and maybe this damned game has given me an answer. More editor stats. I think what is needed is some way to measure quality objectively. It may be that only quantity can

Re: [WikiEN-l] --Wikipedia Manager 2012

2011-10-01 Thread Thomas Morton
Ideally if we are going to push gammification it should be centered on quality content primarily. Gammification is hard to pull off in a way that ensures maintaining quality in output - because by it's very nature such a system is gameable. And you will tend to find, anyway, that the most

Re: [WikiEN-l] --Wikipedia Manager 2012

2011-10-01 Thread Ian Woollard
OTOH quantity has a quality all of its own. So far as I know, there's no good measure of how much text people have contributed that still remain in the article. It would be a really good idea to measure how many unique strings of characters each editor has added to each article and in general.

Re: [WikiEN-l] --Wikipedia Manager 2012

2011-10-01 Thread Carcharoth
Actually, you find that as certain types of articles rise to the level of being featured (or just improve in general), they usually end up having being rewritten almost in their entirety. Some of the information added earlier may still be there, but the wording will invariably have been changed.

Re: [WikiEN-l] --Wikipedia Manager 2012

2011-10-01 Thread WereSpielChequers
We have FA for those who want to focus on one article, we have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CUP as a somewhat game like process for content contributors. What aspect of content contribution do we not have a game like feature for? WereSpielChequers On 1 October 2011 17:01, Thomas

Re: [WikiEN-l] --Wikipedia Manager 2012

2011-10-01 Thread WereSpielChequers
Re the suggestion that edit count is the only universal metric for success. Editcount is a very long way from being the only universal metric for success. Length of Tenure and cleanliness of block record are just as universal. Adminship and other userights, are also universal, though I'd concede

Re: [WikiEN-l] --Wikipedia Manager 2012

2011-10-01 Thread Steven Walling
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:15 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Re the suggestion that edit count is the only universal metric for success. Editcount is a very long way from being the only universal metric for success. Length of Tenure and cleanliness of block record

Re: [WikiEN-l] --Wikipedia Manager 2012

2011-10-01 Thread WereSpielChequers
Editor since 2007 is instantly understandable to everyone, I would say it is at least as easily understood as editcount I've never had to explain what a clean blocklog was, and I don't recall having to explain barnstars. Toolserver access, yes I have explained to people, but even our most

Re: [WikiEN-l] --Wikipedia Manager 2012

2011-10-01 Thread Ian Woollard
On 1 October 2011 18:15, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: The assumption Presumably anything that still remains is of sufficient quality for whatever level the article is has so much wrong with it that I don't know where to start. No, if material lasts for a long period in an