Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-12 Thread Charles Matthews
On 11/08/2011 23:03, Andreas Kolbe wrote: There was an article in the New York Times a few days ago, on a related theme: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/08/business/media/a-push-to-redefine-knowledge-at-wikipedia.html?_r=2 One of its arguments was that there are whole cultures that lack

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-12 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011, geni wrote: But things the white nerds who wrote Wikipedia care about, like comic books or MUDs or text games or anime which are underserved by RSs? Well, if they don't have RSs, they can go screw themselves. (If you care so much about fancruft, go work on a Wikia! We're

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 August 2011 15:58, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: Except in the rare cases where the owners give permission (or where you own a copy of the magazine and don't need the scan anyway), this solution doesn't work since illegal copies aren't considered reliable sources.  We can't

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-12 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011, David Gerard wrote: This is false. Print sources do not require a legal scan to be available. If you try using an illegal scan of a print source, you'll be told that you have no reason to believe the copy accurately represents the source.

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 August 2011 17:09, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Fri, 12 Aug 2011, David Gerard wrote: This is false. Print sources do not require a legal scan to be available. If you try using an illegal scan of a print source, you'll be told that you have no reason to believe the copy

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-12 Thread Steve Summit
Ken Arromdee wrote: On Fri, 12 Aug 2011, David Gerard wrote: This is false. Print sources do not require a legal scan to be available. If you try using an illegal scan of a print source, you'll be told that you have no reason to believe the copy accurately represents the source. I think

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 August 2011 17:19, Steve Summit s...@eskimo.com wrote: Ken Arromdee wrote: On Fri, 12 Aug 2011, David Gerard wrote: This is false. Print sources do not require a legal scan to be available. If you try using an illegal scan of a print source, you'll be told that you have no reason to

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-12 Thread Andrew Gray
On 12 August 2011 17:12, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 August 2011 17:09, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Fri, 12 Aug 2011, David Gerard wrote: This is false. Print sources do not require a legal scan to be available. If you try using an illegal scan of a print

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 August 2011 18:09, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I haven't seen Ken's particular case, but I've seen similar ones. Citing a print source is fine, but some (particularly querulous) people will occasionally challenge the print source because they don't believe what it says.

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-12 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011, David Gerard wrote: That's a rather different claim than that it is standard and accepted practice, which is what Ken was clearly implying. I ran into it a number of times but didn't have a particular situation in mind. I was sure that sooner or later someone would find

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-12 Thread Scott MacDonald
-Original Message- From: wikien-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikien-l- boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Gray Sent: 12 August 2011 18:09 To: English Wikipedia Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs Citing a print source is fine, but some (particularly querulous

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
, which means a very finite number of articles, and there will be no more.” ---o0o--- Andreas --- On Wed, 10/8/11, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: From: Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, 10 August

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-11 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: There was an article in the New York Times a few days ago, on a related theme: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/08/business/media/a-push-to-redefine-knowledge-at-wikipedia.html?_r=2 One of its arguments was that there are

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-11 Thread geni
On 12 August 2011 00:08, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: But things the white nerds who wrote Wikipedia care about, like comic books or MUDs or text games or anime which are underserved by RSs? Well, if they don't have RSs, they can go screw themselves. (If you care so much about

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-10 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Tue, 9 Aug 2011, Carcharoth wrote: My rule of thumb for self-published sources is to see if they cite their sources. If they do, then you can check what they say. If they don't, then you can't, and that can be a problem even with so-called 'reliable' sources. This fails to be a useful

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:RSs

2011-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: Brain Diving: The Ghost with the Most by Brain Ruh, _ANN_ http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/brain-diving/2011-08-09 ...However, this puts books like Drazen's in an odd predicament. It's not really an academic book, since it