On 26/08/2012 05:28, Sven wrote:
This has tainted my opinion of WMUK as an organization. Opposed or not,
that this even made it into a draft is appalling. Quite simply put, if
we get into the habit of expensive, aggressive, Olympics/World Cup style
bidding wars, we're going to shut poorer
I agree with what was said by Manuel.
I am in favour of larger events (we do not stop people from writing in
Wikipedia, and all who can afford it should come to wikimania).
I am in favour of professional events - where schedule is kept, and Wifi is
working, and food is tasty and sufficient.
All
Bleh; the new list settings are CONFUSING! Reply forwarded below:
On 26 August 2012 13:16, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:
On 26 August 2012 02:32, Edward Saperia edsape...@gmail.com wrote:
Ah, the downside of doing your work open and in public is that people see
a half
Hi,
One could also read that differently. But lets not go into that discussion
right now - it is not about whether WMUK is right or wrong to allocate such
amounts of money (if it were to make that decision at all, as stated it is
only a draft proposal by a working committee to the board and then
Right, let me be quite blunt. This thread is not undiplomatic, it's an
attempt to meddle in the affairs of other chapters, which do not concern you.
how would you have liked it if I was trashing the Haifa or DC bids before they
were even anything as formal as bids?
As to my opinion of WMUK has
On 26 August 2012 13:37, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
Right, let me be quite blunt. This thread is not undiplomatic, it's an
attempt to meddle in the affairs of other chapters, which do not concern
you. how would you have liked it if I was trashing the Haifa or DC bids
before they
Harry,
That's exactly our problem in the movement - that it seem like everyone can
do whatever he want. But it's no.
The money, even if only part of him coming from the fundraising - is
movement money. And if Wikimedia Israel is spending money for nothing, this
is not only my concern - but
Of course, this IS something the whole community can and should discuss. It
is about the future of Wikimania as a volunteer-driven event.
WM-UK spending £40,000 is unfair for other future bids (did you know that
most of the chapters have less than £40,000 for the whole annual budget?)
and a
All of those qualifiers are nice, but the fact that it made it onto a draft at
all is the issue. This was something that never should have made it that far.
Lots of things get killed off in committee and never make it on paper. I'd be
one thing if this was a transcript of the minutes, and it
On 26 August 2012 16:00, Osmar Valdebenito os...@wikimediachile.cl wrote:
WM-UK spending £40,000 is unfair for other future bids
I'm not sure fairness should be the goal here. We want to further
our movement's goals the best way we can. If WMUK is able to do that
better than other chapters for
On 26 August 2012 16:12, Sven svenmangu...@gmail.com wrote:
All of those qualifiers are nice, but the fact that it made it onto a draft
at all is the issue. This was something that never should have made it that
far. Lots of things get killed off in committee and never make it on paper.
I'd be
2012/8/26 HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com:
Right, let me be quite blunt. This thread is not undiplomatic, it's an
attempt to meddle in the affairs of other chapters, which do not concern
you. how would you have liked it if I was trashing the Haifa or DC bids
before they were even anything as
See my previous email. Let me spell this out, since you're obviously too
ignorant or too stupid to read what you're commenting on: you are commenting on
a suggestion from one person. It hasn't got anywhere, except to a bunch of
nosey do-gooders on a public mailing list who apparently not
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:37 AM, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
Right, let me be quite blunt. This thread is not undiplomatic, it's an
attempt to meddle in the affairs of other chapters, which do not concern
you. how would you have liked it if I was trashing the Haifa or DC bids
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:34 AM, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
See my previous email. Let me spell this out, since you're obviously too
ignorant or too stupid to read what you're commenting on: you are
commenting on a suggestion from one person. It hasn't got anywhere, except
to a
On 26 August 2012 16:34, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
Nobody is seriously talking about spending £40k on the bid. As far as I can
tell, the number was plucked out of thin air. I've just come from a two-hour
meeting with the bid committee, where the idea of spending ~£17k on the bid
Of course the wider community is entitled to comment on an individual
chapter's decisions. But budgets are misleading things, if the support that
WMUK gave to a London 2014 bid was in the form of grants for bid team
members to attend Wikimania and a proportion of the event organiser's time
then it
I'm not affiliated with the UK chapter in any formal capacity. But If you'd
read my emails, you'd know that.
Harry Mitchell
http://enwp.org/User:HJ
Phone: 024 7698 0977
Skype: harry_j_mitchell
From: Nathan nawr...@gmail.com
To: HJ Mitchell
No, I'm not completely illiterate. I'd appreciate it if you kept your
replies on-list. Perhaps you should take a break from this discussion until
you have had a chance to calm down. You aren't doing yourself or WM-UK any
favors with these kinds of comments.
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:47 AM, HJ
If that's a serious proposal, it isn't one that's been put to the Conference
Committee (of which I'm acting chair, and which is overseeing the bid). We just
had a two-hour meeting and it wasn't raised once.
Harry Mitchell
http://enwp.org/User:HJ
Phone: 024 7698 0977
Skype: harry_j_mitchell
On 26 August 2012 16:52, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
If that's a serious proposal, it isn't one that's been put to the Conference
Committee (of which I'm acting chair, and which is overseeing the bid). We
just had a two-hour meeting and it wasn't raised once.
There there are some
On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:46 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote:
If I may suggest a practical resolution here, perhaps the jury for 2013 could
clarify what they meant when they criticised the London bid for not having
strong support from the UK chapter. If they thought that there was something
On 26/08/2012 16:54, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 26 August 2012 16:52, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
If that's a serious proposal, it isn't one that's been put to the Conference
Committee (of which I'm acting chair, and which is overseeing the bid). We
just had a two-hour meeting and it
Harry and all,
This is just a quick reminder to please keep it civil on this list -
namecalling isn't necessary. This list is for discussing all aspects of
wikimania - both the conference itself and the bid process - and the
discussion here is open to all wikimedians, as it's a subject that
James, I completely agree with you. In fact, Ed Saperia is probably sick of
hearing me say exactly that.
I disagree with assertions that the UK bid team doesn't have that, and with
suggestions that WMUK is trying to substitute for this by throwing money around.
Harry Mitchell
I guess any bid has to be realistic, and in line with the standards of
the day. We are currently between The Olympics and The Paralympics,
where there were 70,000 volunteers to drive down costs (called Games
Makers) of running the London 2012 Games. And we assume that the London
2012 bid was
But we're not at the Olympic level yet. Wikimania, after considering
scholarships and staff travel, barely reaches a couple million dollars. And the
bidding process is pretty unsophisticated for a conference that has become as
large as it has.
On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Gordon Joly wrote:
Just to clarify Wikimedia UK's position regarding Wikimania 2014.
So far the Wikimedia UK board has made no decisions and received no
proposals regarding Wikimania 2014 - spending money on it or otherwise.
What we do have is a section in the current draft of the 2013 activity plan
suggesting
Yeah, I didn't think it'd be £40,000 budgeted purely for the bid (which
let's face it is really a tourst's guide to whatever city, and a list of
stuff you think you might get).
If you do decide to spend £40,000 on the bid, I'm available for the
position ;)
Joe
On 26 August 2012 22:02, Chris
I'd just like to back Chris up on this, as Wikimedia UK's 'Finance Man',
for want of a better word. We're tasked with coming up with an activity
plan to be agreed on September 8 this year. We've been asking the community
to come up with various ideas, for a fully volunteer-driven plan. You can
see
On 26 August 2012 23:34, Richard Symonds
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
One of those ballpark figures was £40k for the UK if it wins a
Wikimania 2014 bid
I explicitly asked for clarification on the plan talk page as to
whether the money was for the bid or for the conference should the
On 27 August 2012 00:00, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
It would be nice if the office could get its story straight...
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
With respect, that's kinda what they're going to be doing over the course
of the next few months, as
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