On 08/23/2011 09:14 AM, KIZU Naoko wrote:
I guess things might not be different upon our Jew or Muslim friends.
Some has come, others not, and if I recall correctly no one has
claimed the coincidental meeting of Ramadan and Wikimania. They have
their tongue and wisdom, if they felt it unease,
Hoi,
Having Wikimania during Ramadan will prevent people from attending. The
dates for Wikimania next year are also likely during Ramadan.
One way of looking at the absence of the Muslim world is that in Alexandria
there was a sizable group from Israel. In the end it is about taking the
The conference was attended by a few Israeli Arabs.
The organizing team did all in its worldly power to bring over guests from
neighboring countries, with no success. We even made sure two Palestinian
guests were issued entry permits, but in the end they never showed up to
pick them at the
It is - Wikimania is July 10th - 15th (counting Hacking Days and
Unconference) while Ramadan starts at July 19th.
On 22.08.2011 10:17, Deryck Chan wrote:
I think Wikimania 2012 is before Ramadan.
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Regards
Manuel Schneider
Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
Wikimedia CH -
From: amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:51:22 +0300
To: wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] CD
Having Wikimania during Ramadan doesn't prevent people from attending.
Actually it does. Personally, Ramadhan was one of the reasons I did not attend
This being the case, I'm sure we will have many Arab and Muslim
attendees next year in Washington.
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Manuel Schneider
manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote:
It is - Wikimania is July 10th - 15th (counting Hacking Days and
Unconference) while Ramadan starts at July
I flew home on Friday. Unfortunately I had been unable to find anyone
capable of printing a Tshirt with Do I look like the sort of person who
packs my own luggage?, or at least not on a Tshirt in my size (walrus). And
as promised I hadn't made a Wikimania CD.
It took me 40 minutes to get through
Niklas Laxström, 15/08/2011 18:49:
Compared to how I was handled during my stay in Israel I was totally
not expecting anything like this. I didn't heard a single sorry for
your inconvenience, only once they said me to thank you for your
cooperation.
The point is that they don't seem to know
Federico Leva (Nemo), 17/08/2011 08:59:
PS: I didn't find them very good-looking either, like someone claimed.
Uh? :-? By the way I agree, but looking at some of the lots of the
trainees the situation might improve in the future. :-p
Oh, and I forgot to say that one of them was also even
I don't suggest taking the train from Jerusalem to the airport - it takes a
very long time - the train to Jerusalem is very slow and is more of a
tourist attraction than anything else.
It's much, much easier to call a sherut taxi called Nesher which will pick
you up from home/hotel and take you
I came accross a luggage claims form case anybody wants to try to get
redress from El-Al for confiscated items:
http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/English/AllAboutYourFlight/PostFlight/BaggageTracingClaims
henna
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 18:53, Mathias Schindler
mathias.schind...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu,
Mathias Schindler, 15/08/2011 18:53:
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 21:59, Иванов Вячеславv.iva...@amikeco.ru wrote:
Every one of us has received a book „Facts about Israel“.
It is a not very neutral one, but that makes it so very interesting.
I love the wording of some parts of the History section
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
Mathias Schindler, 15/08/2011 18:53:
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 21:59, Иванов Вячеславv.iva...@amikeco.ru wrote:
Every one of us has received a book „Facts about Israel“.
It is a not very neutral one, but that makes
Interesting - with us they couldnt care less. Not even a hello was
availablle - as long as we kept moving and stood nicely in queue.
Lodewijk
2011/8/16 James Hare messedroc...@gmail.com
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
Mathias Schindler,
On 11 August 2011 14:03, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote:
We talked before, and also today with the airport - they know about
Wikimania group, and they also to expedite this process.. The manger told
us today that August is the most busy month on Ben Gurion - They doing as
much as they can
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 21:59, Иванов Вячеслав v.iva...@amikeco.ru wrote:
Every one of us has received a book „Facts about Israel“.
It is a not very neutral one, but that makes it so very interesting.
I love the wording of some parts of the History section that make it
impossible to accuse them
Shalom / Assalam from Jerusalem,
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Harel Cain harel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
We at Wikimedia Israel are not ignoring the stories told on this thread,
actually we're taking them very much to heart.
We are now considering a strong letter of complaint to various
Thanks Itzik,
I doubt if any of us have concerns about measures taken to ensure security
on the planes. The concern is when things seem to move beyond this or when
this is done in an unpleasant manner..
But my thanks for your sending that letter.
WereSpeilChequers
On 11 August 2011
Sorry to hear about Sumana and others bad experiences, can't say I'm looking
forward to the security on my own flight home.
A couple of days ago I walked through a metal detector and my camera was
given more inspection than the half a dozen lads in front of me who were in
civilian clothing but
On 08/10/2011 06:05 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
[…]
In both cases I was traveling alone. And in both cases I was myself, a
US citizen whose parents and name and skin color came from South Asia.
I can't pass as anything else.
This is simply racism and harassment. There can be no
On Aug 11, 2011, at 9:49 AM, church.of.emacs.ml
church.of.emacs...@googlemail.com wrote:
On 08/10/2011 06:05 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
[…]
In both cases I was traveling alone. And in both cases I was myself, a
US citizen whose parents and name and skin color came from South Asia.
We at Wikimedia Israel are not ignoring the stories told on this thread,
actually we're taking them very much to heart.
We are now considering a strong letter of complaint to various government
agencies and a demand for formal written apology. Details will follow once
we have decided on our
*I've already heard one of our South American editors say that people from
her country are often refused US visas for no reason.*
Is not for no reason, they just think all of us are looking forward for
the possibility of live in the dream land that is America, and can't
believe we would come
I appreciate your concern Harel.
Warm thank yous
Ant
On 8/11/11 10:50 AM, Harel Cain wrote:
We at Wikimedia Israel are not ignoring the stories told on this
thread, actually we're taking them very much to heart.
We are now considering a strong letter of complaint to various
government
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote:
Is not for no reason, they just think all of us are looking forward for
the possibility of live in the dream land that is America, and can't
believe we would come back after be there[1].
This is not as exaggerated as it may
That is normal for all countries Roan, we complain because they don't ask
those questions to Europeans (though is better live in Brazil now than in
Europe and USA because our economy is not falling apart - yet.) or Asians.
Only South Americans.
We don't complain about the security things, we
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:05 PM, WereSpielChequers
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
There are plenty of venues available in countries where the authorities
have an open and welcoming attitude to foreigners.
Sure. Now all that remains is to get those countries to mount good hosting
bids.
Hey,
We reads every one of yours emails and twittets. I feel shame that things
like that happen to part of the participates, but other things also need to
say - it not happen to everyone, and this is the Israeli security process.
We talked before, and also today with the airport - they know
For me, i think it helped a lot to bring a printed version of that
announcement from Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Whenever they
asked me about what i will do/was doing there, i showed that piece of
paper and then my questions were much more easier than those that some
of you reported
On 11-08-11 01:34 PM, phoebe ayers wrote:
- Well, if we really wanted to find a distributed global solution we
could unleash 1,000 Wikimedians on the problem.
Heh. They'd come up with 17 alternatives that vary only in
insignificant details, all of which could probably alleviate the
problem,
Every one of us has received a book „Facts about Israel“.
It is a not very neutral one, but that makes it so very interesting. The
„History“ part of that book can tell you the story of why such precautions are
being taken in the case of people looking Arab.
Classic discrimination is something
Marcin,
If what you said was correct the security staff must've been explicitly
lying, which is, again, not cool. She said we were told you received a CD
from the conference.
Deryck
On Aug 10, 2011 3:05 AM, Marcin Cieslak sa...@saper.info wrote:
Who told the security staff at Ben Gurion that CDs
On Aug 10, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:
Marcin,
If what you said was correct the security staff must've been explicitly
lying, which is, again, not cool. She said we were told you received a CD
from the conference.
Deryck
That could have also been a trick,
I was not asked for a CD, but when I showed the 3-4 pages printed on
purpose to confirm my attendance, I was told I should have received
another document for the security. I just said no, I did not.
When asked about my Egypt stamp, my answer was straight Wikipedia,
annual conference each time
Am 09.08.2011 19:48, schrieb James Hare:
On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:
PS. For those of you who have yet to fly out of Israel: it's a good idea to
have a password / Android lock etc. on each of your electronic devices, so
that they can't check their
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Florence Devouard anth...@anthere.org wrote:
If local standard procedures involve stealing people property, I would
not say this deserve any respect. Stealing is stealing. In any country.
Florence
Stealing is a pretty harsh term. Air travel security
On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Florence Devouard anth...@anthere.org
wrote:
If local standard procedures involve stealing people property, I
would
not say this deserve any respect. Stealing is stealing. In any
country.
Since we are sharing experiences:
This morning I went to Ben Gurion Airport for my El Al flight back to
New York City. I wore my Wikimania t-shirt, badge, and lanyard, and
prominently carried my Wikimania shoulder bag, along with a Wikimedia
shoulder bag. I was asked, among other questions:
Who told the security staff at Ben Gurion that CDs have been distributed as
part of the welcoming pack of Wikimania? Jeromy and I were requested to show
the CD you received from Wikimania and we haven't got any.
PS. For those of you who have yet to fly out of Israel: it's a good idea to
have a
On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:
Who told the security staff at Ben Gurion that CDs have been distributed as
part of the welcoming pack of Wikimania? Jeromy and I were requested to show
the CD you received from Wikimania and we haven't got any.
PS. For
I don't think it should be any special problem.
Harel Cain
Wikimania 2011 local team
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 20:48, James Hare messedroc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:
Who told the security staff at Ben Gurion that CDs have been
On 08/09/2011 06:06 PM, Deryck Chan wrote:
PS. For those of you who have yet to fly out of Israel: it's a good idea
to have a password / Android lock etc. on each of your electronic
devices, so that they can't check their content except in front of you.
Probably already to late, but since it
Hey James,
This should not be a problem. I passed with four GPS-devices that were not
mine trough security control (I borrowed them for the mapping party). Just
explain it, and they we'll examine it closely.
Btw, make sure you have something with you with the logo of the conference,
to prove you
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:12 PM, maarten deneckere
maartendeneckere+wikima...@gmail.com wrote:
Btw, make sure you have something with you with the logo of the conference,
to prove you attended it.
+1. I had the feeling Timo and I had an easier time at TLV because I
wore the Wikimania 2011
I'm in Jerusalem for a few more days, can anyone suggest how I can
obtain one of these Wikimania CDs or what it could contain?
WereSpielChequers
On 9 August 2011 20:22, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Harel Cain harel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
All credit goes to
Ah, well, I got 45 minutes of questioning -- a good chance to explain
Wikimedia governance to the nice young lady at security (so what do
you do for wikipedia again?) The board is pretty suspicious! :)
Having the conference materials handy as well as reasonable
documentation of your other
I would suggest that it's not about the CD itself, but anything to prove your
attendance at the conference you said you went to. So, keep your attendee badge
easily available. The conference bag, the printed schedule or other things that
you picked up at Wikimania would be good. Just a
It's always the visitors, or the outsiders who get that treatment. Airport
authorities, airlines hardly ever focus on local or people who look like of
local origin. I have hardly ever seen any locals being held for questioning
in any country that I have ever visited.
It's just who looks more like
Hi WereSpielChequers ,
Op 9-8-2011 22:37, WereSpielChequers schreef:
I'm in Jerusalem for a few more days, can anyone suggest how I can
obtain one of these Wikimania CDs or what it could contain?
LOL, I guess you didn't read the whole thread. This is just a trick
question. Just like asking the
I'll see if I can find an Internet Cafe that burns backups to CD. Last
time I went backpacking in New Zealand there were several places with
that sort of service. Then if I slap one of those stickers in the
centre it should look the ticket.
Do you think if I tell them that Walla interviewed me
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:03 PM, WereSpielChequers
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
I'll see if I can find an Internet Cafe that burns backups to CD. Last
time I went backpacking in New Zealand there were several
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl wrote:
Hi WereSpielChequers ,
Op 9-8-2011 22:37, WereSpielChequers schreef:
I'm in Jerusalem for a few more days, can anyone suggest how I can
obtain one of these Wikimania CDs or what it could contain?
LOL, I guess you
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