Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 27 June 2012 05:15, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Perhaps so. :)) (But clearly, so have you.) The difference being that I've been following Wikipedia criticism for much longer to the point where I can just view it as a rather repetitive soap opera. > I was actually thinking of the board, or just Jim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > I was actually thinking of the board, or just Jimbo himself, rather than > any wider group of luminaries (or actual Wikipedia editors). If Google > wanted something, I am sure they would speak in person to the people they > have had personal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:24 PM, geni wrote: > On 26 June 2012 21:38, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > Are you not being a bit naive here? Seriously, if Google wanted > something, > > and were willing to pay Wikimedia another half million dollars for it, > > they'd talk to Jimbo and other WMF luminarie

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > The SOPA strike was necessary for us to retain neutrality. Figuratively speaking, or do you think it actually made a whit of difference? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

Kim Bruning wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 09:07:02PM +0100, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >> I've always been against ads, but as far as I am concerned, the illusion of >> an NPOV project ended with the SOPA strike, and Jimbo's current exploits >> around O'Dwyer (who I agree should not be extradited, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

Hi All, Brent Hecht here :-) This has been a really interesting discussion, and I wanted to chime in with a few notes. The 99.2% is based on a quick script I wrote that looked at reciprocity among a sample of interlanguage links (ILLs) in 25 languages to address some questions that Denny and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: > * Nathan wrote: > >It's simple. The WMF didn't do anything. The English Wikipedia did. That > >project effectively changed the content of the entire encyclopedia for > >political reasons. That is the condicio sine qua non for abandoning >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

* Nathan wrote: >It's simple. The WMF didn't do anything. The English Wikipedia did. That >project effectively changed the content of the entire encyclopedia for >political reasons. That is the condicio sine qua non for abandoning >neutrality. You might say it was done for great reasons, and that i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 26 June 2012 21:38, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Are you not being a bit naive here? Seriously, if Google wanted something, > and were willing to pay Wikimedia another half million dollars for it, > they'd talk to Jimbo and other WMF luminaries behind closed doors. You've been hanging out on wikiped

[Wikimedia-l] WM-ES and Fundación ONCE signed agreement to promote accesibility of the projects

Wikimedia España and Fundación ONCE have signed a collaborative agreement aimed to promote the accesibility of the projects hosted by Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., including internationally famed Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. In a first phase of this agreement, reading access to content will be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Nathan wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > > > I've never understood why that was considered non-neutral. WMF, as an > > entity, can have viewpoints, especially as relates to the organization > > itself. The WMF, for example, is not neut

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Well, there is a slashdot report. Let's see how much Google get pilloried > for their actions with regard to TV Tropes. My prediction: not much. > Oops, that slashdot report is from November 2010, and refers to the last time Google put TV T

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > I've never understood why that was considered non-neutral. WMF, as an > entity, can have viewpoints, especially as relates to the organization > itself. The WMF, for example, is not neutral on the question of > whether or not people should make

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Report, May 2012

Maryana, thank you. For anyone else who's following this, my understanding that the wikistats fixes are complete, including http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors_target and http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors. Pine __

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > > Besides, the ones putting pressure on TV Tropes, and who made them take > the > > pages down, are Google. > > > > That is the same Google who are a major financial contributor to > Wikimedia. > > True. But if Google told WMF "Change Foo and B

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 09:07:02PM +0100, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > I've always been against ads, but as far as I am concerned, the illusion of > an NPOV project ended with the SOPA strike, and Jimbo's current exploits > around O'Dwyer (who I agree should not be extradited, but doh, that is not > t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 26/06/2012 2:02 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: >> >> Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been >> forced to censor a >> number of pages due to advertiser pressure. >> > > And thus is the wisdom of eschewing adve

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > >> Perhaps the next time someone brings up the "WMF should accept ads!" >> bit, we can point back to this thread to explain why when we respond >> "That would be the end of neutrality," we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 08:41:04PM +0100, geni wrote: > On 26 June 2012 19:02, Kim Bruning wrote: > > In the mean time, the discussed tropes *do* exist in our culture and in our > > movies. It > > somehow feels soviet. :-/ > > A significant chunk of them would probably fail [[WP:V]]. Actually fo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > Perhaps the next time someone brings up the "WMF should accept ads!" > bit, we can point back to this thread to explain why when we respond > "That would be the end of neutrality," we are not exaggerating. > I've always been against ads, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 26/06/2012 3:59 PM, Nathan wrote: Someone else will just cleverly point out the differences between Wikipedia and TVTropes, which are many. Using a wiki platform does not make comparisons between the two apples to apples. No, but that's besides the point. The point is simple: if you rely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Marc A. Pelletier > wrote: > > On 26/06/2012 2:02 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > >> > >> Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has > been > >> forced to censor a > >> number of pages due to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 26/06/2012 2:02 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: >> >> Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been >> forced to censor a >> number of pages due to advertiser pressure. >> > > And thus is the wisdom of eschewing adve

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 26 June 2012 20:30, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > As far as I can make out, the problem was that they could no longer keep up > with moderating these pages, and that the content turned creepier and > creepier. Its more complicated than that. Apart from anything else TVTropes have been drifting in th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 26 June 2012 19:02, Kim Bruning wrote: > In the mean time, the discussed tropes *do* exist in our culture and in our > movies. It > somehow feels soviet. :-/ A significant chunk of them would probably fail [[WP:V]]. Actually for the most part I just feel sorry for the people who are meant to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

As far as I can make out, the problem was that they could no longer keep up with moderating these pages, and that the content turned creepier and creepier. ---o0o--- @ Marq FJA Eddie tends to be a little abrupt in his explanations. The gist of it is that rape (much like sex and other similar to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On 26/06/2012 2:02 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been forced to censor a number of pages due to advertiser pressure. And thus is the wisdom of eschewing advertizement and sponsorship highlighted for all too see. I've always suppo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 08:02:55PM +0200, Kim Bruning wrote: > > Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been > forced to censor a > number of pages due to advertiser pressure. The wiki-community is apparantly working on it: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki

[Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been forced to censor a number of pages due to advertiser pressure. http://www.themarysue.com/tv-tropes-rape-articles/ In the mean time, the discussed tropes *do* exist in our culture and in our movies. It somehow fee

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

One major problem with double language links I've encountered before was that they confuse interwiki bots and therefore break things. Several articles on the Cantonese Wikipedia (zh-yue.wp) pertaining to local political and cultural issues in the Cantonese-speaking world have __NOBOT__ on them simp

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours "The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects" 2012-07-18 16:30 UTC

On 26 June 2012 07:47, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > 2012/6/26 Risker : > > On 25 June 2012 13:56, Steven Walling wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Risker wrote: > >> > Excuse me. Just about a month ago, we had a discussion about spreading > >> out > >> > the times during which office hou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

I got the number from Brent Hecht, a researcher at Northwestern, who has a number of great papers published on Wikipedia-related topics. CC-ing him, so he knows I am blam.., er, referencing him :) Cheers, Denny 2012/6/26 Martijn Hoekstra : > This number, 99.2% was also mentioned on the Berlin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

This number, 99.2% was also mentioned on the Berlin Hackathon. It sounds much higher than what my (very scientifically relevant, obviously) gut feeling tells me. Could you indicate where this number is coming from? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > Ziko, > > it does not je

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

Amir, thank you for the thoughtful reply! Indeed our current plan is a kind of a staged deployment in the sense that we will not automatically transfer the links but let the editor community do it. On our test systems we already see bots being tried out and rewritten, so we expect that as soon as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

Hi Bence, yes, I am thinking about rerunning the script and removing comments first. Didn't work out yesterday, I had a bug in my script, and noticed that only in the morning when it was already almost finished. Let's see when I have the time for the update. (Or if someone else picks up the code a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

Ziko, it does not jeopardize the Wikidata goal -- the current language link system won't be switched off, but can be further used. Everything that is working currently will still be possible afterwards. Wikidata can still be used to represent the 99.2% of language links that are simple -- this wou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours "The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects" 2012-07-18 16:30 UTC

Risker, 26/06/2012 03:55: There are sometimes good reasons for holding office hours consistently at a specific time, most particularly if there is a desire to draw in editors from a certain geographic area, or if that is the time that a specific language group finds most convenient. [...] Don't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours "The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects" 2012-07-18 16:30 UTC

2012/6/26 Risker : > On 25 June 2012 13:56, Steven Walling wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Risker wrote: >> > Excuse me. Just about a month ago, we had a discussion about spreading >> out >> > the times during which office hours would be hosted. Instead of increased >> > diversity in t

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 26 -- 25 June 2012

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