Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

2018-05-25 Thread James Salsman
>> Paid professionals work alongside volunteers in fire departments and >> hospitals throughout the world. Are there any essential >> characteristics which exclude such cooperation in Wikipedia? > There is a difference, and that is the degree of professionalization. The > role of admin is not a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-25 Thread James Salsman
Nathan, the Enwiki organic category system is not very good. For example, there are no consistent ontological constraints placed on the entire ontological tree (which should not be surprising because the Library of Congress Card Number system, the Dewey decimal system, the SIC ontology, and even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-25 Thread Nathan
I'm not seeing an argument here for why Wikimedia should adhere to this law, if it is correctly stated by the OP. If France passed a law banning Internet-published photos of living people, how would we approach that law? If Germany barred publishing the place of birth, date of birth or religious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

2018-05-25 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 9:16 PM, James Salsman wrote: > Paid professionals work alongside volunteers in fire departments and > hospitals throughout the world. Are there any essential > characteristics which exclude such cooperation in Wikipedia? > There is a difference, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-25 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Whereas I absolutely agree with Todd, let me note that in the list many entries are unsourced or poorly sourced and can not be there according to the policies. Cheers Yaroslav On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > We should no more follow French censorship

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to the Wikimedia Foundation May 2018 Metrics & Activities Meeting: Thursday, May 31, 18:00 UTC

2018-05-25 Thread Leila Zia
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:08 AM, L3X1 en wrote: > What is the YouTube link, or is it not yet available? Thanks I'm looking at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_metrics_and_activities_meetings and I see this YouTube link:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

2018-05-25 Thread James Salsman
>... about the classical employer-employee relationship, I am totally > against it. The reason is that there is so much effort wasted tracking > and keeping people accountable Priyanka Mandikal implemented a way to keep paid editors accountable using reputation tracking two years ago:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-25 Thread Todd Allen
We should no more follow French censorship laws than we should follow Turkish ones. All editors are responsible for compliance with the laws in their jurisdiction. Todd On Fri, May 25, 2018, 12:53 PM sashi wrote: > Hello, > > I am writing to ask if there are any plans to

[Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-25 Thread sashi
Hello, I am writing to ask if there are any plans to render the English Wikipedia compliant with French privacy laws.  Currently, if a French high school student goes to a French library, reserves a computer, and types "List of French Jews" into Google, Duckduckgo, or Dogpile, an adhoc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

2018-05-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You compare two things that are not related and where there is a conflict of interest. As it is, we are severely lacking in information in many of our Wikipedias. Given that not even percent of the humans in Wikidata is from Africa, the #AfricaGap is bigger than the #GenderGap (no percent vs

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to the Wikimedia Foundation May 2018 Metrics & Activities Meeting: Thursday, May 31, 18:00 UTC

2018-05-25 Thread L3X1 en
What is the YouTube link, or is it not yet available? Thanks > On May 24, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Lena Traer wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > The next Wikimedia Foundation metrics and activities meeting will take > place on Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 6:00 PM UTC (11 AM PDT). The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Airtasker adds for articles

2018-05-25 Thread L3X1 en
From discussions I have seen on the en.wiki Village pump and various ANs, I believe the WMF has no legal foothold to ask another website to respect our TOU. > On May 24, 2018, at 5:28 AM, Gnangarra wrote: > > I find this rather disturbing that Airtasker accepts adds for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

2018-05-25 Thread Adam Wight
Thank you for this provocation, I share your concern. As a reader, it's disappointing to find material that looks like a press release, and intimidating to flag or edit without doing research into the editing history and editors involved. A quick, "back of the envelope" calculation I did

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

2018-05-25 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
Hi Anders, I hear your worries. Indeed it seems that resisting the push is taking more effort than what the community can take under the current circumstances, or at least it doesn't look sustainable (the RfA chart shown in the last Signpost [1] is really clear on that regard). However, by

[Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

2018-05-25 Thread Anders Wennersten
My main worry, during my daily patrolling, is if we manage to neutralize the bad editing (vandalism, POV pushing) or if the destructive editing is slowly successfully degenerating the great content we have created in our projects. In todays Sign-post it indicates an accelerating rate of