Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

2020-12-14 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Hi, I'd just like to revive the point made by Pelagic in the post that started this thread. I was just now once again presented with this banner wording, "Show the editors who bring you neutral and verified information that their work matters." I find this wording very offensive, as it implies

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

2020-12-08 Thread Christophe Henner
Hi, I consider a bike to be an amazing transportation tool, yet I haven't biked for months because it is not appropriate to how I commute. I am not sure invalidating someone's opinion based on its edit count is a good way to have that discussion . All the statistics I have ever seen on Visual

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

2020-12-08 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
But the statistics we are talking about are from 2016 not 2006... And I think this is good point as I rember similar discussion in Polish Wikipedia when strong supporterts of Visual were found actually not using it on regular basis. Answering the question why you are personally not using it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

2020-12-07 Thread Željko Blaće
It would be awesome if this list could either have basic moderation and/or an option to opt out of threads. On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 23:37, Chris Keating wrote: > I think it would be great if this sub-thread could come to an end and we > could stop having the list clogged up with questions about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

2020-12-07 Thread Chris Keating
I think it would be great if this sub-thread could come to an end and we could stop having the list clogged up with questions about one person's editing history. Also, I can't quite remember the list policy on people who are blocked from one or more Wikipedias for disruptive behaviour

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

2020-12-07 Thread Joseph Seddon
The simple answer to a simple question is that I created my User:Seddon volunteer account in 2006 and Visual Editor was first made available to users seven and a half years later. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

2020-12-07 Thread Demian
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 12:03, Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote: > Please let us avoid using misleading statistics to make a point. > > On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 14:02, Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote: > On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 12:38, Demian wrote: > >> [...], but to be exact, I was looking to understand why

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

2020-12-07 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 12:38, Demian wrote: > I'm assuming this points to the namespace of the edits, although it's not > clear. It's unfortunate that Visual Editor can only be used in mainspace, I > wish that wasn't the case, but to be exact, I was looking to understand why > only 2.8% (47 out

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

2020-12-07 Thread Demian
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 11:32, Joseph Seddon wrote: > I believe the nature of the edits speak for themselves. > > Seddon > I'm assuming this points to the namespace of the edits, although it's not clear. It's unfortunate that Visual Editor can only be used in mainspace, I wish that wasn't the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

2020-12-07 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 05:55, Demian wrote: > With these different aspects in mind I wonder why you find the Visual > Editor a dream to use, given that on average at most 4 in 500 of your > edits >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

2020-12-07 Thread Joseph Seddon
I believe the nature of the edits speak for themselves. Seddon On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:55 AM Demian wrote: > Hey Seddon, > > On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 16:23, Joseph Seddon wrote: > >> Short answer: I don't think it's a cynical lie. I think that the >> donations our donors give do results in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

2020-12-06 Thread Demian
Hey Seddon, On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 16:23, Joseph Seddon wrote: > Short answer: I don't think it's a cynical lie. I think that the donations > our donors give do results in benefits to the community, even if they > aren't transactional or tangible things. We definitely don't want to give > any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

2020-12-06 Thread Joseph Seddon
Short answer: I don't think it's a cynical lie. I think that the donations our donors give do results in benefits to the community, even if they aren't transactional or tangible things. We definitely don't want to give any misleading impression that the benefits are tangible so we will look into

[Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

2020-12-06 Thread Pelagic via Wikimedia-l
[ Cross-posted from https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel#Donations_-_show_the_editors_you_care%3F ] I had the misfortune of visiting Wikipedia logged-out the other day, and was struck by the large size of the donation banner, and the odd wording of the appeal. (Something about awkward