[Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paid volunteers

2014-04-04 Thread
Proposal: Paid volunteers should take care to identify themselves on Wikimedia Projects and discussions related to Wikimedia Projects. Sue Gardner's initial report by the WMF into the Belfer case makes a key decision that there must be effective processes for escalation of employee activities

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paid volunteers

2014-04-04 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Perhaps I'm just being obtuse, but I'm a little unclear on the definition of a paid volunteer. Could you possibly try rephrasing it so that I'm more clear? pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 |

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paid volunteers

2014-04-04 Thread Richard Symonds
A bit of unsolicited advice from a chapter staff member and long-time volunteer coming up. It doesn't represent my view on this proposal, but is, as I said, simply unsolicited advice! Feel free to ignore it if you want. Here we go... It seems to me that the term 'paid volunteer' is an oxymoron.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paid volunteers

2014-04-04 Thread Gryllida
On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, at 22:14, Fæ wrote: *Definition of paid volunteer:* Paid volunteers are employees, contractors or part time contractors of Wikimedia organizations or other organizations having agreements or partnerships with Wikimedia. The paid volunteer contributes to Wikimedia projects

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paid volunteers

2014-04-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I can understand the sentiment and, it makes some sense. However, I do not like weasel words ... paid employees.. Bah They are not volunteering. They are on a job, have a mission. I think that employees of any organisations may work for the benefit of bringing the sum of all knowledge

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paid volunteers

2014-04-04 Thread
On 4 April 2014 14:05, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: ... It seems to me that the term 'paid volunteer' is an oxymoron. ... Yes, it is oxymoronic, many common terms are, though I am open to an alternative form of words. I understand that volunteers who are also employees

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paid volunteers

2014-04-04 Thread
On 4 April 2014 14:33, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, at 22:14, Fæ wrote: *Definition of paid volunteer:* Paid volunteers are employees, contractors or part time contractors of Wikimedia organizations or other organizations having agreements or partnerships with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paid volunteers

2014-04-04 Thread Richard Symonds
Just a quick correction, you say that Even a paid researcher on a university project would not meet this definition, unless the project were part funded or in partnership with Wikimedia. This is not quite accurate: even a student on a university project would meet this definition if his

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paid volunteers

2014-04-04 Thread
On 04/04/2014, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Just a quick correction, you say that Even a paid researcher on a university project would not meet this definition, unless the project were part funded or in partnership with Wikimedia. This is not quite accurate: even a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paid volunteers

2014-04-04 Thread
Yann, the nuclear industry controversy was more the issue of control/ownership of content (which can happen on Commons, for example the news today about attempts to restrict reuse of Barack Obama's image). It is a tangent to this proposal. If you have other examples and think current project