Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation

2014-04-08 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:46 AM, James Salsman wrote: > Pete Forsyth wrote: > > > >... there are very good reasons to be cautious about how much > > and what kind of advocacy the Wikimedia Foundation engages > > in, but by and large, the reasons are not *legal* ones. They're > > related to our vi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation

2014-04-07 Thread James Salsman
Pete Forsyth wrote: > >... there are very good reasons to be cautious about how much > and what kind of advocacy the Wikimedia Foundation engages > in, but by and large, the reasons are not *legal* ones. They're > related to our vision, our mission, our strategic plan, and our > model of community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation

2014-04-06 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 6:33 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Pete Forsyth wrote: > > I think there are very good reasons to be cautious about how much and > >what kind of advocacy the Wikimedia Foundation engages in, but by and > >large, the reasons are not *legal* ones. They're related to our vision, > >o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation

2014-04-06 Thread MZMcBride
Pete Forsyth wrote: > I think there are very good reasons to be cautious about how much and >what kind of advocacy the Wikimedia Foundation engages in, but by and >large, the reasons are not *legal* ones. They're related to our vision, >our mission, our strategic plan, and our model of community go

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation

2014-04-06 Thread Pete Forsyth
Based on the message from James Alexander,[1] there is a long history to this line of discussion that I've missed -- so maybe this has been covered. But I'd like to underscore James A's point, from a different perspective. ( tl;dr -- Build a consensus around a desired course of action, *then* seek

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation

2014-04-06 Thread James Alexander
James, You have continued this, and related, lines of questioning of multiple staff members and of the community for quite some time now. It is clear that you have not received an answer that you find satisfactory, and I understand that, but may I ask what makes you think that you will receive an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation

2014-04-06 Thread James Salsman
Hi Geoff, Would you please clarify which of the advocacy topics below, if any, are precluded by the restrictions at https://web.archive.org/web/20120621122539/http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=163392,00.html ? Since multiple people have claimed that some are without saying which, it woul

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation

2014-04-04 Thread James Salsman
Thanks, Tillman, I still get the error below and a timeout from archive.org, so a Wikimedia annotated copy would really help. I am specifically interested in which items in http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/advocacy_advisors/2014-March/000420.html are precluded. " We have redesigned the IRS.go

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation

2014-04-04 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:17 PM, James Salsman wrote: > Hi Geoff, > > Your link to > http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=120703,00.html > in [1], which is cited in turn at [2], is dead, and archive.org won't show > me what it used to be for some reason. Just on a technical note, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation

2014-04-04 Thread Pete Forsyth
James, do we need to take Geoff's time up with something so thoroughly documented elsewhere? I'd suggest starting with this web site: http://www.clpi.org/ Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:17 PM, James Salsman wrote: > Hi Geoff, > > Your link to > http://www.irs.gov/charities/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation

2014-04-04 Thread James Salsman
Hi Geoff, Your link to http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=120703,00.html in [1], which is cited in turn at [2], is dead, and archive.org won't show me what it used to be for some reason. Do you please have a current link for the IRS regulations concerning political advocacy by

[Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation

2014-03-31 Thread Sue Gardner
Hey folks, The purpose of this note is to remind you that the WMF will be participating in the FDC Process Round 2, which begins tomorrow. I'd like to invite you to comment on the plan-in-progress, which will be at this URL within about 24 hours: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposal