Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-14 Thread Jane Darnell
Thanks for that link, Phoebe! I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment the real BLP problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count terms) Wikipedia users swing their weight around Maybe such Wikipedians have a problem with the BLP person in real life, or is closely related to some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-14 Thread Craig Franklin
Hi Jane, I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment the real BLP problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count terms) Wikipedia users swing their weight around I think the problem is that if you ask ten different people about the reason why we have BLP problems, you'll get ten

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-14 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 14 December 2013 00:30, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't make a comment; I requested information: Please also provide a link to the consultation you carried out with the community, before making this change. I seem to have missed it. Oddly, I seem to have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-14 Thread Jane Darnell
Well I don't see any problem with starting off by taking a survey among OTRS users, or in trying to collect data to classify problems that are reported. Once we know what the popular problems are, can we better help stop the flow of unwanted trash-talking on BLP's. I think the underbelly that we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-14 Thread MZMcBride
Andy Mabbett wrote: Indeed there have. But until a widely-advertised consultation is held (advertised in the manner of the recent discussion on logos and branding), we wont know the views of the community at large, rather than those who have an axe to grind. Your logic here is broken. There are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-14 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 14 December 2013 15:55, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Andy Mabbett wrote: until a widely-advertised consultation is held (advertised in the manner of the recent discussion on logos and branding), we wont know the views of the community at large, rather than those who have an axe to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-14 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Hi Jane, I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment the real BLP problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count terms) Wikipedia users swing their weight around I think the problem is that if you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-14 Thread Jeevan Jose
Is there a discussion happening on Commons somewhere about the implications of this resolution? - John Vandenberg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Resolution:Media_about_living_people Jee On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:24 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-14 Thread Jeevan Jose
And an application at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Contact_us/Problems#Suggested_change Jee On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Jeevan Jose jkadav...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a discussion happening on Commons somewhere about the implications of this resolution? - John

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-14 Thread Jane Darnell
Thanks Jee for those links. It strikes me as odd that on a Commons:Contact us page there is no link to any explanation about how it all works. In my (limited!) experience of helping BLP subjects, it has helped them enormously just to talk about how Wikipedia works. Sometimes they are certain that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-14 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:55 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Your logic here is broken. There are certainly times to have widely advertised discussions, but doing so is not free: they often require creating and deploying banners (with an associated increased risk of banner blindness),

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-14 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 8:54 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: The 2009 resolution on biographies of living people was about identifiable people, given they were the subject of a biography. This new 'media about living people' resolution doesn't make any such distinction for media,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-14 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 14.12.2013 21:28, phoebe ayers wrote: On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 8:54 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, I think this is an interesting point, but I'm not entirely sure I follow don't we always worry about verifiability for images? We certainly try to ensure that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-14 Thread Craig Franklin
On 15 December 2013 02:54, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Hi Jane, I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment the real BLP problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count terms)