Re: [Wikimedia-l] New AffCom members
Congrats \o/ 2014-11-04 8:50 GMT+01:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com: Congratulations! C ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Pierre-Selim ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Algeria Wikimedians User Group
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata-l] Birthday gift: Missing Wikipedia links (was Re: Wikidata turns two!)
Hi Denny, great tool! I really like this kind of human computation tools, as they are quick to grasp and easy to perform. The Wikidata Game from Magnus is a great example too, IMO. I wonder: could it be hard to find a way to count how many merging one accomplishes? This would work both for an individual and to a list of usernames. I feel it would be really good in Wikidata presentations or editathons or outreach events: you can let many people merge articles, and have a sort of counter displayed which says how many are done, in real time. It's a sort of a race/game, and it could be fun especially for young people. I don't know, it's just an idea, but gamification kinda works :-) Aubrey On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Santi Navarro santiagonava...@wikimedia.org.es wrote: James, I have a question. Should you merge the items or the tool will do it? El 2014-10-29 19:10, James Forrester escribió: On Wed Oct 29 2014 at 10:56:42 Denny Vrandečić vrande...@google.com wrote: There’s a small tool on WMF labs that you can use to verify the links (it displays the articles side by side from a language pair you select, and then you can confirm or contradict the merge): https://tools.wmflabs.org/yichengtry This is really fun, and so useful too. Thank you so much, Denny, Jiang Bian, Si Li, and Yicheng Huang – Denny and the Googlers is a new band name if ever there was one. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Santiago Navarro Sanz Wikimedia España http://www.wikimedia.org.es/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Algeria Wikimedians User Group
Bienvenidos!! Enviado desde mi teléfono celular Disculpe la brevedad. El 04/11/2014 06:56, Pierre-Selim pierre-se...@huard.info escribió: Félicitations \o/ Congrats 2014-11-04 10:26 GMT+01:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com: Congratulazioni! Benvenuti! Cristian ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Pierre-Selim ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] New AffCom members
Congratulations! -- Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive User: Nhasive | @nhasive Sent from my iPhone 5s device On Nov 4, 2014 2:00 PM, Pierre-Selim pierre-se...@huard.info wrote: Congrats \o/ 2014-11-04 8:50 GMT+01:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com: Congratulations! C ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Pierre-Selim ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wayback machine
Offlist, I've put John directly in touch with some folks at IA who were working on citations (related to John's project). FYI- Luis On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: John, 03/11/2014 22:54: Does anyone have contact information for the wayback machine? I am trying to improve one of my tools for wikipedia, and am wondering if we can get a minor change/feature request implemented. Usually I recommend: * #internetarchive on EFNet for quick sanity check, * the forum for generic or lenghty/complex stuff https://archive.org/details/web#forum (you can see Jeff is active here), * the issue tracker for self-contained issues (of all websites). https://webarchive.jira.com/browse/HER Of course, read the FAQ first. https://archive.org/about/faqs.php#The_Wayback_Machine Nemo P.s.: Everyone give a look, https://archive.org/index.php?ui3=1 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics
Thanks for the replies. They've calmed my fears a fair bit, but I'm still a little concerned - even simple questions like* of your administrative costs, **how much were your travel costs* don't really make a lot of sense to us, because some of our travel costs aren't administrative - and we don't track administrative expenditure because that term isn't a definition we use, and it's not clearly defined. This is why we've been having trouble with understanding some Grantmaking/FDC reports in the past - our method of reporting our financial information differs from the way that teams at the WMF would like it to be presented, because our key definitions differ (not to criticise the grantmaking team, who are very helpful in this regard!) I think that this project is trying to fix these problems, and it's a commendable effort - but: 1. Your team can't create entirely new definitions for organisations to report to (because we simply can't afford to increase our finance team to report to another definition - we already report to three different definitions). There is very little appetite in the movement for bigger or more professional finance teams and any big changes to reporting requirements simply won't be possible without more resources going that way. 2. Your team may not be able to get all the information they need from participants because participants are simply too busy - in which case, the results of the report will go ahead and be used by the movement even though it may not be accurate or indeed fit for purpose. If the FDC process then goes ahead and uses the report outcomes to ask for financial information, then it means that the inaccurate report will have a direct effect on the metrics we're marked against, and thus a direct effect on movement funding. 3. As WMUK, I fear that the less effort we put into involving ourselves in the process, the greater the chance that the final outcome will be a poor one for us. This in turn means that this actually has to be something that WMUK put a fair amount of effort into influencing, to ensure that our views are listened to and that the final report is something we can actually report against! I worry about how smaller chapters, like Ghana, Ukraine or Hungary - or the fledgling user groups - will manage, if the final definitions don't reflect their views at all. 4. You say that if an organisation can't give your team the information they want, a phrase will appear in the final report along the lines of there are concerns about the quality of the data provided by Wikimedia UK... which won't be true, and will be read into by the community as WMUK has been audited and found wanting! 5. The report is intended to make data* consistent, meaningful and comparable among the chapters, thematic organizations, and the Foundation *- a laudable goal and one I fully support - but it appears that the Foundation aren't being consulted by the Finance Fellows at all. Where will their views and date be taken into account - will they be using the same process as everyone else, or a different process? I am not a cynic and I don't think that the WMF will use this process to dictate what reporting requirements should be, but I do worry that unless the WMF go through the same process, the end result will be relatively easy for the WMF teams to accomplish and rather harder for the rest of us! This increases our back-office costs and makes thorgs appear less efficient when that won't necessarily be the case. I trust the team - they are a group of keen, young, idealistic people - and I know that this is going to be done in good faith, but I don't see how it can be done fairly without a lot of work from the organisations involved - if they don't get involved, their views won't be reflected. In order for this to be successful, his has to be a* team effort*, from all the financial and project teams (and individuals!) across the world, and at present it isn't - and given that this is the first the rest of the movement has heard of the report, it will be very difficult for the rest of us to help at such short notice. I really, really appreciate what you're doing - but I want to be part of this endeavour, and I hope you see my worries! Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 31 October 2014 20:46, Michael Guss mg...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics
You're right Sydney - not all of them are going to happen. They're worries - hypothetical worries in some cases - but they impact directly on the work I do and it would be wrong of me to not raise them. In answer to your other points: - You are right that the alternative of not doing anything or putting it off seems worse. It *is* worse to not do anything. Indeed, this is something I've wanted to do for years (I simply haven't had the time) and I am 100% behind it happening. It is sensible and I will do everything I can to support it. - However, when you say a group of people taking a run at sorting this out seems like a good first approach - it is a good first approach, but I worry that the first approach will become the only approach, and that the results will be used even if they're too rough to use. This is a huge task and it needs to be right or it runs the risk of damaging the movement. - I don't think this should be done by a formal group of representatives - in my experience committees aren't an amazing way of doing things like this. The team who have been put together seem to be bright young things and I have no doubt that they will do the best job they can - but I think that the first version can be improved with a lot more buy-in from the rest of the movement :-) Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 4 November 2014 19:03, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: Richard, I appreciate your view and understand your concerns. But even if all of your worries are true, which I'm not sure is the case, the alternative of not doing anything or putting it off seems worse. A group of people taking a run at sorting this out seems like a good first approach. And an alternative approach of having all of this work be done by a formal group of representatives of chapters/thematic organizations with the assistance a WMF staff like the Fiance Fellows doesn't really seem to answer the concerns that you raise. And in fact puts more of a burden on the groups. Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikipedian in Residence at Cochrane Collaboration On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Thanks for the replies. They've calmed my fears a fair bit, but I'm still a little concerned - even simple questions like* of your administrative costs, **how much were your travel costs* don't really make a lot of sense to us, because some of our travel costs aren't administrative - and we don't track administrative expenditure because that term isn't a definition we use, and it's not clearly defined. This is why we've been having trouble with understanding some Grantmaking/FDC reports in the past - our method of reporting our financial information differs from the way that teams at the WMF would like it to be presented, because our key definitions differ (not to criticise the grantmaking team, who are very helpful in this regard!) I think that this project is trying to fix these problems, and it's a commendable effort - but: 1. Your team can't create entirely new definitions for organisations to report to (because we simply can't afford to increase our finance team to report to another definition - we already report to three different definitions). There is very little appetite in the movement for bigger or more professional finance teams and any big changes to reporting requirements simply won't be possible without more resources going that way. 2. Your team may not be able to get all the information they need from participants because participants are simply too busy - in which case, the results of the report will go ahead and be used by the movement even though it may not be accurate or indeed fit for purpose. If the FDC process then goes ahead and uses the report outcomes to ask for financial information, then it means that the inaccurate report will have a direct effect on the metrics we're marked against, and thus a direct effect on movement funding. 3. As WMUK, I fear that the less effort we put into involving ourselves in the process, the greater the chance that the final outcome will be a poor one for us. This in turn means that this actually has to be something that WMUK put a fair amount of effort into influencing, to
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics
On 4 November 2014 20:49, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I don't think this should be done by a formal group of representatives - in my experience committees aren't an amazing way of doing things like this. The team who have been put together seem to be bright young things and I have no doubt that they will do the best job they can - but I think that the first version can be improved with a lot more buy-in from the rest of the movement :-) This. The concept behind the 'finance fellows' is a great one: dedicated contact people for the Chapters to help coordinate, standardise, streamline, clarify the financial information among a variety of very diverse Wikimedia Organisations. Something like this is something that many people have wanted for a long time. Newer or smaller chapters can feel 'left out' and overwhelmed by what kind of information they need to report, when, how... especially for the majority of Chapters that have no dedicated financial administration professional. However, by keeping the team's formation a secret, and not involving the Chapters' financial staff in the conceptualisation stage (even as advanced warning), does not start the concept off with good will. In fact, what could/should have been a great day for the movement in helping to support and coordinate its various parts, makes the very people who are going to be working closest with the Finance Fellows (e.g. Richard, above) skeptical and wary of being 'audited'. This is a great shame. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics
Hi all, As you may have heard, I've started temporary contract work for WMF as an intern in Learning and Evaluation. [1] My work will focus on the Learning Patterns Library. [2] One of the goals for the internship is to enable easier and better reporting about grants, including financial reports. When grantees spend countless hours writing reports, that drains resources that could be invested in designing and producing more and better programs, and I've heard that grantees prefer designing and producing programs over tedious accounting and reporting tasks. You can expect to hear more from me about learning patterns in the next few months, and I am hoping to hear constructive ideas from community members and grantees that can be included in the Learning Patterns Library. Generally I will use my current Pine accounts for my community roles, and I will save my WMF accounts for official WMF work. I didn't know about these Finance Fellows either until I saw their profiles appear on the WMF staff page, and I emailed Garfield to ask about them. A community consultation in advance about this project would have been helpful. The goals of these Fellows make sense to me; I've previously had discussions with Grantmaking about trying to get comparable data across programs. I too am interested in hearing how WMF Finance will implement this program, and in particular how it will affect the Cascadia Wikimedians User Group which I am helping to coordinate. It does worry me a little that Wikimedia has a famously complicated social, financial, and legal environment, and there are lots of ways for things to go wrong, especially when people who have never before worked in this kind of environment are brought into a role like global finance for the movement. That said, I hope that Garfield will continue to address the concerns that are being discussed in this thread, and that the work of the Finance Fellows will be a net positive for everyone in the long run. To the Finance Fellows: I hope that you are not discouraged by this discussion. I've been in this global community for years in a variety of roles, and I'm still learning. I hope that you have a good experience with us. Regards, Pine [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Bgibbs_(WMF) [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Learning_patterns *This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/ *One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not know.**—Catherine Munro* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics
However, by keeping the team's formation a secret, and not involving the Chapters' financial staff in the conceptualisation stage (even as advanced warning), does not start the concept off with good will. While completely understanding the point you're making, I would mainly suggest not worrying about this. Many things going on in among Wikimedia movement organisations are imperfect steps in the right direction and it's more important to focus on the step in the right direction bit. In many ways it's all so new and diverse that we currently are one level of abstraction beyond sharing learning and information. We are still in the process of learning how to share learning and of gathering information about what information there is. I suspect the Finance Fellows may make a very valuable contribution even if their results are a bit less concrete than they anticipate. Hopefully the dialogue here will be helpful in shaping their approach. Chris (Wikimedia UK trustee, though speaking personally as usual) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics
Walter, Arda, Lene Seyi: welcome! Thank you for tackling this project, I hope you will share further thoughts about it. On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: They're worries - hypothetical worries in some cases - but they impact directly on the work I do and it would be wrong of me to not raise them. They are worth raising, thank you. it is a good first approach, but I worry that the first approach will become the only approach, and that the results will be used even if they're too rough to use. An important point. This happens regularly despite the best intentions of all involved. (And not only at the organizational level -- e.g., we all still rely on 'edit count' for so many things, despite persistent vocal attention to its weaknesses and subvertability as a metric since the start.) I think that the first version can be improved with a lot more buy-in from the rest of the movement :-) This is likely :) I've added your concerns to the wiki discussion about the report: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement-wide_Financial_Report (Also cc:ing the low-traffic treasurers mailing list. I believe some org treasurers who don't have time to follow all of Wikimedia-l nevertheless read that list.) SJ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference[1] 2015
Reminder: We'd like to finalize the Wikimedia Conference 2015 Program Team by Nov 10th. If you'd like to help craft a high-quality program to make sure we make the most of this important (and expensive) face-to-face opportunity, do sign up! Details here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Programme_team In particular, at least one team member from a smaller or newer chapter would be great! A. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-21 3:40 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org: Neither I nor WMF are trying to exert undue control over this process; rather, I am moving this forward in good faith and relying on other people to be equally bold in editing (or reverting!) anything I've stated there. Looking forward to making this the most productive WMCON[1] ever! :) [...] [1] I remain entirely uninterested in what this event gets called. Feel free to advocate for calling it The Great Platypus Appreciation Society Gathering of 2015 or anything else, here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Conference_2015 Speaking of appreciation, thank you Asaf and Ad for caring about this. C ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
