Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

[Trillium Corsage]

26.04.2016, 03:25, "John Mark Vandenberg" :

> My reading of that is Jimmy supported her "departure" with sadness.
> i.e. he avoids indicating how the departure occurred; neither dismissal nor
> resignation.
>
> No doubt that type of phrasing is in the HR handbook for situations like
> this, to avoid pain or legal disputes after the fact.
>
> Thank you Craig for nipping this one in the bud.

Craig gave the right link. Here's the exact exchange.

Gorillawarfare: I would love to know whether you supported Lila Tretikov's 
departure. It is clear that she did not up and resign on her own, and I would 
like to know if you were one of the folks who thought her departure would be 
beneficial, or if you preferred she "weather the storm," so to speak.

Jimbo Wales: I supported it with sadness.  The whole thing is a sad train wreck.

Yeah, it's accurate no-one says the word "dismissal." That was my 
interpretation of it based on recollection, I wasn't trying to introduce a new 
concept to anything.

I don't understand why we're walking on eggshells really. Jimbo "supported her 
departure with sadness." It seems pretty clear he's not referring to getting 
misty-eyed over cake at Lila's farewell party. He did something. He's not 
quarreling with Gorillawarfare's take that "she did not up and resign on her 
own."

As just an observer from afar, I liked Lila and thought she was doing a good 
job. She hired a child-protection person for one thing. However I've heard 
about the employee poll that said she really was failing to get support from 
the ranks, and I'm in no position to second-guess that. And then a couple 
months ago, she's getting bashed right and left on this very list, with a 
person going so far as to say she should "choke on shame" and "just go away." 
With no objection from the list moderators.Jimbo is going bonkers on James 
Heilman regarding his characterization of "Knowledge Engine." And of course 
Lila was a proponent of that. All the same, her resignation came quickly and as 
a surprise to me.

If the board had no discussion on her future and did NOT ask for or otherwise 
overtly encourage her resignation, it would be easy enough for any one of them 
to say that. If they on the other hand actually did meet or tele-conference and 
vote on it, that's the meeting I wanted minutes for. And obviously (thank 
Risker!) this doesn't mean I want to gawk at gossipy details of trustees 
criticizing her, I just would like to know which trustees gave the thumbs down, 
which didn't, and which introduced the motion. Is this secret HR stuff that 
would embarrass Lila? It doesn't seem that way to me. There've been a dozen 
news stories on her leaving, and none have reported it was on wonderful terms 
all around. So what's the big deal?

Publish the minutes or say "there was no meeting, there are no minutes."

Trillium Corsage

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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Germany editor survey results available

[Verena Lindner]

Dear all,

in January WMDE conducted a survey among the German-speaking, active
Wikipedians on the welcome-culture for new editors.

An overwhelming number of 686 community members answered questions on the
culture of openness and commitment to support for new editors.

More information and the results (English version!) are now available on
meta:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Deutschland/Editor_Survey_2016

Hope, it's interesting for you!

Best

Verena
-- 
Verena Lindner
Projektmanagerin Know-how

Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
http://wikimedia.de

Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
http://spenden.wikimedia.de/

Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter
der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding Citation Hunt

[Marco Fossati]

Dear James,

Regarding StrepHit, you have certainly missed the timeline & progress tab,
as well as the midpoint report one:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/StrepHit:_Wikidata_Statements_Validation_via_References/Timeline
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/StrepHit:_Wikidata_Statements_Validation_via_References/Midpoint

you can find all the updates about the project there.
Best,

Marco

Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 10:00:43 -0600
From: James Salsman 
To: "wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org"

Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding Citation Hunt

What is the status of
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikipedia_Knowledge_Graph_with_DeepDive
and
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/StrepHit:_Wikidata_Statements_Validation_via_References
?
There have been no updates on either at all this year, that I've been able
to find, even though at least one of them is supposed to be producing
monthly status reports.
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

[Pete Forsyth]

Trillium Corsage apparently tried to address this issue, but their message
has not gotten through email list moderation. I've included it below.

My reaction: I should paid more heed to Trillium's qualifier "basically."
Jimmy Wales didn't commit the egregious error I thought was being reported.
Still, I do feel that Wales' choices about what to say and what not to say
have been erratic (from the perspective of what's best for the movement and
the WMF) and self-serving. I can't think of other examples of an
organization's board members publicly commenting on whether or not they
supported an employee's departure. It seems to me there are very good
reasons not to get into that.

-Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]


-- Forwarded message --
From: Trillium Corsage 
Date: Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings
To: petefors...@gmail.com, nawr...@gmail.com




26.04.2016, 14:32, "Nathan" :
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Pete Forsyth 
wrote:
>
>>  On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Trillium Corsage <
trillium2...@yandex.com
>>  >
>>  wrote:
>>  >
>>  > Jimbo responded to arbitrator GorillaWarfare on this list, basically,
>>  > "yes, I supported with sadness the decision to dismiss Lila."
>>
>>  Wait -- seriously??
>
> No, it's a false quote. I don't know if Trillium falsified the quote or if
> he/she picked it up from a different source. Asked if he supported her
> departure, he wrote "I supported it with sadness. The whole thing is a sad
> train wreck."

Whoa whoa whoa. I answered this yesterday, but my emails have to be
approved by a moderator and none has done so. Here's the relevant part of
the email:



Craig gave the right link. Here's the exact exchange.

Gorillawarfare: I would love to know whether you supported Lila Tretikov's
departure. It is clear that she did not up and resign on her own, and I
would like to know if you were one of the folks who thought her departure
would be beneficial, or if you preferred she "weather the storm," so to
speak.

Jimbo Wales: I supported it with sadness. The whole thing is a sad train
wreck.

Yeah, it's accurate no-one says the word "dismissal." That was my
interpretation of it based on recollection, I wasn't trying to introduce a
new concept to anything.



That was my good-faith memory-based paraphrase of it, not any "false
quote." I'd also argue that the contextual part where Gorilla says "she did
not up and resign on her own" --which is not disputed by Wales-- should
figure into any interpretation of the exchange.

I also said "basically," which clues the reader in that it was paraphrase,
not quote. I didn't do this for any polemic reason either, I just genuinely
didn't have the exchange in front of me.

Pete, I'd appreciate if you'd convey my position on this matter to the list
if my own email doesn't appear by a few hours.

Trillium Corsage
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

[Nathan]

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Trillium Corsage  >
> wrote:
> >
> > Jimbo responded to arbitrator GorillaWarfare on this list, basically,
> > "yes, I supported with sadness the decision to dismiss Lila."
>
>
> Wait -- seriously??
>

No, it's a false quote. I don't know if Trillium falsified the quote or if
he/she picked it up from a different source. Asked if he supported her
departure, he wrote "I supported it with sadness. The whole thing is a sad
train wreck."

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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Indonesia's New Board of Executive (and Board of Trustees)

[Isabella Apriyana]

Hello all, I am forwarding an email from Siska Doviana of Wikimedia
Indonesia:

Hello Wikimedia Chapters,
Cc WMID mailing list

This is my last email to you (to this list), as I am no longer serving
Wikimedia Indonesia's board and currently being denied access because
of ASBS. In a separate email you will also find Wikimedia Indonesia's
annual report for 2015.

You will receive this email from Isabella, as a request to extend my
email to the chapter's list. So many things has happened between 2010
and 2016 (I begin enroll to this list in 2008, out, and in again, now
out again), and I am proud to see where Wikimedia Indonesia - the
state that I left it in. Hard work pay off y'all!

I am happy to announce Wikimedia Indonesia new Board of Executive and
new Board of Trustees based on our VIII general meeting of member
taking place on March 19, 2016 [1] - followed by Head of Board
Executive decision on March 28, 2016 regarding Board of Executive's
position [2].

Wikimedia Indonesia Board of Executive 2016-2019
1. Biyanto Rebin - Chair Board of Executive (elect)
2. Vacant - Deputy Chair Board of Executive (appointed)
3. Isabella Apriyana - Secretary General Board of Executive (appointed)
4. Farras Daryoctara - Deputy Secretary General Board of Executive
(appointed)
5. Djohan Satria- Treasurer Board of Executive (appointed)
6. Rachmat Wahidi - Deputy Treasurer Board of Executive (appointed)

Wikimedia Indonesia Board of Trustees 2016-2019
1. Rinto Jiang - (Chair) Board of Trustees (elect)
2. Kartika Sari Henry - Member of Board of Trustees (elect)
3. Ricky Setiawan - Member of Board of Trustees (elect)

Thank you for all the time invested in the organization, when I reached
out for help, volunteer work, expert advice, council - and showed me
what leadership is by making a bold example by doing.
Stepping down:
1. Ichsan Mochtar
2. Prasetyo
3. Panjisakti Basunanda
4. Indra Utama
5. Hendra Prasetiawan

Please remove the above access to this list and chapter's wiki, and of
course, myself.
6. Siska Doviana

Getting to know the new board:

Biyanto Rebin (email: biyanto.re...@wikimedia.or.id) user: Beeyan
is a long time Wikipedian and joins Wikimedia Indonesia in 2013 as
committee for Free Your Knowledge Competition. Graduated from
University of Indonesia majoring Chinese, he received scholarship to
perfect his Italian language and studied in Italy for 3 months. He's a
polygloth, vegetarian, a gamelan player, and a very nice person
in general. Before joining Wikimedia Indonesia to work full time in
2014 for Cipta Media Cellular project, he held various position from
Human Resource in oil company, cellular company, translator, to
tutoring. Biyanto attended WMCON 2016 as one of WMID
delegates

Isabella Apriyana (email: isabella.apriy...@wikimedia.or.id) user:
26Isabella
Joined Wikimedia Indonesia as ex participant of Free Your Knowledge
wikipedia writing competition. Graduated from Atmajaya University
majoring in Biotechnology Isabella works for Eijkman Institute for
Molecular Biology. She attended WMCON 2016 as the other
WMID delegates.

Farras Dary Octora (email: farras.daryoct...@wikimedia.or.id), user:Farras
A dedicated Wikipedian since 2006 and now still studying international
relations in Airlangga University. He has been member of Wikimedia
Indonesia since 2014 and an administrator in Indonesian Wikipedia.

Djohan Satria (email:djohan.satria.hasib...@wikimedia.or.id), user: djohan
Graduate from STAN (Indonesian State College of Accountancy) Djohan
been helping Wikimedia Indonesia with accounting matters (and
nightmare) since 2013, help us move office three times! Everyone calls
him pop, and he is the one any of us go to if there's any serious
matter happening, business, pleasure, or psychological (ha!). He is a
certified auditor and like to smile a lot, since he is pretty scary if
he is in his auditing mood.

Rachmat Wahidi (email: rachmat.wah...@wikimedia.or.id), user:Rachmat04
Rachmat Acehnese Wikipedian (sysop), Indonesian Wikipedian, winner of
WMID's wikisource challenge, and Indonesia's representative for
Wikisource International Conference in Vienna in 2015. He is the head
of WMID Digitalization project and overseeing eight other WMID
contractors. He graduated from English literature and all around pretty
shy.

Rinto Jiang (email: rintoji...@gmail.com), user:rintojiang
Rinto is a long time Indonesian Wikipedian and one of Wikimedia
Indonesia founders. Currently he lives between Taiwan and Indonesia,
Rinto is a father, an executive manager and a marketing strategist.

Kartika Sari Henry (email:kartika.sary.he...@wikimedia.or.id),
user:22Kartika
Kartika is a prolific writer, winning the 2010 Free Your Knowledge
writing  competition she has been writing her way out of a lot of
things. Currently studying her master in Royal Melbourne University
(RMIT) her interest is so vast - from philosophical to practical
things. I wouldn't even bother to write it here.

Ricky Setiawan (email:ricky.s...@gmail.com)