Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l diversity and level of participation

2018-11-20 Thread Pine W 
Hi Mathieu,

Thank you very much for these suggestions.

Communications inside the Wikiverse and among projects are messy and
complex. I have some ideas for how to improve our communications, including
transitioning mailing lists to Discourse and creating a central place where
people can subscribe or unsubscribe to newsletters. I will add your ideas
to the mix. Hopefully these issues will get some attention during 2019.

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )


On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 4:24 PM Mathieu Lovato Stumpf Guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:

> Hi Pine,
>
> I hope you are doing well. ☺️
>
> It's nice to see your attention for more diversity, thank you for being a
> voice on this concern.
>
> Here are the few suggestions that come to my mind regarding what could be
> done to make people feeling more at ease in contributing on that list :
> - explicitly state in the list description that anyone can contribute in
> any language, and conversely provide way to access /contribute to
> translation of each message (this could go on Meta for example), we could
> also provide links to automated translations were such a tool exists for
> the implied pair of language
> - actively promote the list in misc. village pumps, either through a
> global message that summerize recent active threads, with a distribution
> method similar to technews, or making sure that a permanent link with an
> attractive punchline in some main discussion place of each wiki.
>
> I don't feel like those feedback have any chance to be given any resource
> by anyone reading the list, so publishing there don't seem of any use to my
> mind. But since reading your message made these ideas pop in my head, I
> prefer to at least share them with you. Feel free to do whatever you feel
> appropriate with that. 
>
> Cheers
>
> Le 7 novembre 2018 22:58:11 GMT+01:00, Pine W  a
> écrit :
>>
>> Hello Wikimedia-l,
>>
>> One subject that continues to be a source of concern for me is that I'd
>> like to have a greater quantity and greater diversity of participants on
>> Wikimedia-l. I have heard that some people feel that their English skills
>> are not good enough to participate here, and I don't know what more we can
>> do to help with them to feel welcome to participate regardless of their
>> choice of language or their level of English skills.
>>
>> Also, I sometimes wonder whether some of our more pointed or stressful
>> discussions on this list make good-faith newbies and quieter people feel
>> too intimidated to post when I think that no one intends to make them feel
>> unwelcome.
>>
>> I hope that this will not sound selfish, but I would like to encourage
>> people to comment on what could be done to facilitate greater and more
>> diverse participation in discussions here, and that includes feedback on
>> how those of us (including me) who frequently post here could do better at
>> helping people to feel that they have an opportunity to be heard. Although
>> I would encourage public discussion of these subjects, I also welcome
>> comments off-list. I realize that it is difficult to balance being candid
>> with being hospitable, and I am hoping that we can be both.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Pine
>> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] appeal of fundraising technical wish denial

2018-11-20 Thread Pine W 
Hi James,

Although I have a variety of frustrations with WMF Community Resources and
for COI reasons I would like to have ways to fund Wikimedia projects with
minimal involvement or approvals from WMF, I agree with Danny that your
proposal as written is likely outside of the scope for the Community
Wishlist Survey and that your proposal would benefit from clarification. I
support Danny's decision, but I thank you for thinking about these topics.
I hope to see more discussion of fundraising and distribution of resources
in the weeks and months ahead, including in the context of the WMF strategy
process.

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )


On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 11:02 PM James Salsman  wrote:

> I would like to appeal
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019%2FArchive%2FAssist_Wikimedians_with_crowdfunding=revision=18603544=18594887
>
> on the grounds that adding a different behavior to existing behavior
> in order to try to measure which is better is an inherent part of
> every technical and documentation approval. In other words, trying
> something new isn't the same as irrevocable change unless it is
> incontrovertible that the change is an obvious improvement, the extent
> of which should be measured.
>
> Or to put it another way, the Foundation should build manual-only
> fundraising bots and give access to them in addition to ordinary
> grants. I hope you agree, but if you don't, that's okay too.
>
> Thank you for reading this appeal. Whether this project succeeds or
> otherwise, I wish you the best.
>
> Regards,
> Jim
>
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[Wikimedia-l] appeal of fundraising technical wish denial

2018-11-20 Thread James Salsman 
I would like to appeal
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019%2FArchive%2FAssist_Wikimedians_with_crowdfunding=revision=18603544=18594887

on the grounds that adding a different behavior to existing behavior
in order to try to measure which is better is an inherent part of
every technical and documentation approval. In other words, trying
something new isn't the same as irrevocable change unless it is
incontrovertible that the change is an obvious improvement, the extent
of which should be measured.

Or to put it another way, the Foundation should build manual-only
fundraising bots and give access to them in addition to ordinary
grants. I hope you agree, but if you don't, that's okay too.

Thank you for reading this appeal. Whether this project succeeds or
otherwise, I wish you the best.

Regards,
Jim

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] בואו לקחת חלק במפגש התמונות הגדול - מחר, ספריית בית אריאלה!

2018-11-20 Thread Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
And it happened to me again: I sent an email to Wikimedia-L instead to
Wikimedia Israel's mailing list. Oops! sorry about that :)

But if you are in Israel (just in case!), you are welcome to join us
tomorrow for a special photo-editon event, and help us categorized and add
relevant photos to Wikipedia, as part of our special project to release
more than 28,000 from museums in Israel (more about it in English
,
English 2
, and
Franch
)




*Itzik Edri*
Chairperson
it...@wikimedia.org.il
+972-54-5878078




On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 4:47 PM Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:

> היי,
>
> בוודאי ראיתם את הפרסומים על פרויקט שחרור התמונות שערכה העמותה (הארץ
> ,
> כלכליסט
> , 
> ישראל
> היום , תקשורת חו"ל
> 
>  ועוד).
> התגובות היו חיוביות ביותר וחשוב לנו לתת גם להזדמנות לציבור לשמוע מאיתנו
> ולקחת חלק בפעילות ולכן נערוך מחר, יום רביעי, מפגש בספריית בית אריאלה בתל
> אביב, החל מהשעה 19:00.
>
> האירוע פתוח לקהל הרחב ואתם מוזמנים לקחת חלק, ולסייע לאנשים שיגיעו לאירוע
> בקטלוג התמונות, שילובן בוויקיפדיה ואף סריקת חומרים
>
> פרטים נוספים בדף האירוע:
>
> https://wikimedia.org.il/%D7%91%D7%95%D7%90%D7%95-%D7%9C%D7%94%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%9C%D7%A7-%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%98-%D7%A9%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A8-%D7%94%D7%AA%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%9C/
>
> נתראה!
>
> *Itzik Edri*
> Chairperson
> it...@wikimedia.org.il
> +972-54-5878078
>
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] בואו לקחת חלק במפגש התמונות הגדול - מחר, ספריית בית אריאלה!

2018-11-20 Thread Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
היי,

בוודאי ראיתם את הפרסומים על פרויקט שחרור התמונות שערכה העמותה (הארץ
,
כלכליסט
, ישראל
היום , תקשורת חו"ל

ועוד).
התגובות היו חיוביות ביותר וחשוב לנו לתת גם להזדמנות לציבור לשמוע מאיתנו
ולקחת חלק בפעילות ולכן נערוך מחר, יום רביעי, מפגש בספריית בית אריאלה בתל
אביב, החל מהשעה 19:00.

האירוע פתוח לקהל הרחב ואתם מוזמנים לקחת חלק, ולסייע לאנשים שיגיעו לאירוע
בקטלוג התמונות, שילובן בוויקיפדיה ואף סריקת חומרים

פרטים נוספים בדף האירוע:
https://wikimedia.org.il/%D7%91%D7%95%D7%90%D7%95-%D7%9C%D7%94%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%9C%D7%A7-%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%98-%D7%A9%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A8-%D7%94%D7%AA%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%9C/

נתראה!

*Itzik Edri*
Chairperson
it...@wikimedia.org.il
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