Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook goes turncoat on the "squash internet freedom" battle.

[Mono]

Well, piracy is illegal and piracy stems from file sharing...

On Monday, April 16, 2012, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:

> First there were SOPA, PIPA, ACTA and OPEN. Now there is going to be
> Yet Another Attempt
> to enact draconian legislation through mislabeling the real purpose of
> IP legislation by inserting
> it as a rider to law supposedly intended to help in combatting
> Cyber-terrorism: CISPA.
>
> From the link below:
>
> ‎"It's a little piece of Sopa [the Stop Online Piracy Act] wrapped up
> in a bill that's
> supposedly designed to facilitate detection of and defence against
> cyber-security
> threats. The language is so vague that an ISP could use it to monitor
> communications of subscribers for potential infringement of
> intellectual property."
>
> In effect this law is directed against file-sharers, not Cyber terrorism.
>
> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17730266
>
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Facebook goes turncoat on the "squash internet freedom" battle.

[Jussi-Ville Heiskanen]

First there were SOPA, PIPA, ACTA and OPEN. Now there is going to be
Yet Another Attempt
to enact draconian legislation through mislabeling the real purpose of
IP legislation by inserting
it as a rider to law supposedly intended to help in combatting
Cyber-terrorism: CISPA.

From the link below:

‎"It's a little piece of Sopa [the Stop Online Piracy Act] wrapped up
in a bill that's
supposedly designed to facilitate detection of and defence against
cyber-security
threats. The language is so vague that an ISP could use it to monitor
communications of subscribers for potential infringement of
intellectual property."

In effect this law is directed against file-sharers, not Cyber terrorism.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17730266




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention implies social features

[Nathan]

Tom, you're assuming that adding "social features" to Wikimedia projects
must mean integrating with commercial social networks. I don't think that's
a given at all. If we accept that social interaction, and more
opportunities for positive social interaction, are beneficial for
collaborative projects like the English Wikipedia (which I think we
should), then it's perfectly possible and quite common to internally add
certain social features.

There are many different ways to achieve a better social atmosphere;
whether its better discussion systems, better notifications, better tools
for exchanging ideas and interests, internal communications (like e-mail
style messages to individuals internally, or to groups), or any one of a
thousand other options. Boiling it down without reason to a decision over
Facebook "like" buttons is a disservice to honest discourse.

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Tom Morris  wrote:

>
>
> Only with community approval. On English Wikipedia, we have discussed
> social media/social network integration repeatedly. Share This buttons
> and so on. And editors don't want it.
>
> See
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PEREN#Share_pages_on_Facebook.2C_Twitter_etc
> .
>
> English Wikinews already has some, but there's a much smaller
> community there who can decide which services we wish to integrate
> with.
>
> If we're going to have social "features" (and I use that word with
> deliberate scare quotes around it) mandated by the Foundation, I do
> hope we are going to worry about privacy. A former co-worker of mine
> discovered that NHS Direct, the health information website provided
> the UK's National Health Service, had Facebook share this links that
> were transmitting every page you went to on NHS Direct to Facebook,
> which could be matched to your Facebook profile if you are logged in.
> Which is kind of shocking given that people use NHS Direct to look up
> information on health conditions they think they might have, as well
> as all sorts of other personal issues (sexual health, gender identity,
> advice on fixing lifestyle health issues like smoking and drinking). I
> wouldn't want the clickstream of people visiting Wikipedia articles
> shared on Facebook without them pretty explicitly choosing to share
> that information. We've already seen one kid in Britain who has
> allegedly been thrown out of his house by fundamentalist parents after
> Facebook algorithmically outed him as gay. [1]
>
> I do also hope we'd decide on what basis we'd choose these social
> services. Okay, yes, Facebook is pretty popular in the West. And
> Twitter. And maybe G+. But what about in China: do we want to support
> sharing to sites that are being censored by the Chinese government?
> Does the Foundation have the expertise to know what the popular social
> networking sites are in every country and language in the world? And
> we'd then become a commercial player: if we had done this years ago
> and had added MySpace integration, the moment MySpace stops being so
> popular and Wikipedia (whether that's the community or the Foundation)
> de-emphasizes the MySpace sharing/social functionality, there'd be a
> big stack of headlines about how Wikipedia is pulling out of MySpace.
> We really ought to be neutral in this market, and there's only one way
> to be neutral: try as hard as possible not to participate.
>
> You know, there might be an easier solution here: people who are into
> the whole social networking thing, their browsers ought to improve
> sharing with their social networks. Social plugins for browsers like
> Firefox and Chrome are opt-in for the user, and can give a better
> experience than Wikipedia pages being turned into NASCAR-esque branded
> adverts for dozens of social sites. I know Mozilla people have been
> discussing coming up with better ways of doing social sharing at the
> browser level.
>
> [1]
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/11/facebook-targeted-advertising-gay-teen_n_1200404.html
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention implies social features

[Liam Wyatt]

Hi Kozuch,
While not specifically a "social" feature, you might be interested to look
at a major project the WMF seems to be preparing for the future - called
"Echo": https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo_%28Notifications%29
It is a proposed, fully integrated, notification system for mediawiki. As
it says: "This feature is designed to replace and augment existing
notification systems as well as providing significantly more control to
both users and developers as to how their notifications are handled, read,
and deleted."

It appears that this project is the top priority in the WMF's 2012-2013
Engineering plan under the heading of "reversing editor decline". See
section 5.1: here
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2012-13_Goals

-Liam

wittylama.com/blog
Peace, love & metadata


On 16 April 2012 17:41, Jan Kučera  wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> how do we want to work on editor retention if we lack social features at
> all???
>
> These go in the right direction:
> http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Improving_our_platform
> http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_features
>
> Is WMF going to act finally???
>
> Kozuch
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 16 -- 16 April 2012

[Wikipedia Signpost]

Arbitration analysis: Inside the Arbitration Committee Mailing List
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-16/Arbitration_analysis

Paid editing: Does Wikipedia Pay? The Facilitator: Silver seren
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-16/Paid_editing

News and notes: French language outreach, WikiTravel debate, and HighBeam 
reloaded
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-16/News_and_notes

Discussion report: The future of pending changes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-16/Discussion_report

WikiProject report: The Butterflies and Moths of WikiProject Lepidoptera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-16/WikiProject_report

Featured content: A few good sports: association football, rugby league, and 
the Olympics vie for medals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-16/Featured_content

Arbitration report: Evidence submissions begin in Rich Farmbrough case, 
proposed decision in R&I Review
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-16/Arbitration_report

Technology report: MediaWiki 1.20wmf01 hits first WMF wiki, understanding 20% 
time, and why this report cannot yet be a draft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-16/Technology_report


Single page view
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single

PDF version
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-16


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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012/1 Quarterly Report of Wikimedia Hungary

[Bence Damokos]

Dear all,

The first Quarterly Report of Wikimedia Hungary is now available online.
You can find the English version at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Hungary_Quarterly_Report_2012-1.pdf
The Hungarian version is available at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Hungary_Quarterly_Report_2012-1-hu.pdf

Best regards,
Bence Damokos
Executive Vice President,
Wikimedia Hungary
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] teaching people how to edit Wikipedia

[Patricio Molina]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Heather Ford  wrote:
> What resources are folks using to teach others how to edit Wikipedia?

In Wikimedia Argentina we've created "Wikipedia en el aula"[0] for our
workshops and talks. It was specifically oriented to teachers and
students, showing them how to edit and use Wikipedia's contents.

Regards,

[0] PDF: http://wiki.wikimedia.org.ar/images/pdf/wiki_para_armar2.pdf

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention implies social features

[Tom Morris]

On 16 April 2012 18:41, Jan Kučera  wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> how do we want to work on editor retention if we lack social features at 
> all???
>
> These go in the right direction:
> http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Improving_our_platform
> http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_features
>
> Is WMF going to act finally???
>

Only with community approval. On English Wikipedia, we have discussed
social media/social network integration repeatedly. Share This buttons
and so on. And editors don't want it.

See 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PEREN#Share_pages_on_Facebook.2C_Twitter_etc.

English Wikinews already has some, but there's a much smaller
community there who can decide which services we wish to integrate
with.

If we're going to have social "features" (and I use that word with
deliberate scare quotes around it) mandated by the Foundation, I do
hope we are going to worry about privacy. A former co-worker of mine
discovered that NHS Direct, the health information website provided
the UK's National Health Service, had Facebook share this links that
were transmitting every page you went to on NHS Direct to Facebook,
which could be matched to your Facebook profile if you are logged in.
Which is kind of shocking given that people use NHS Direct to look up
information on health conditions they think they might have, as well
as all sorts of other personal issues (sexual health, gender identity,
advice on fixing lifestyle health issues like smoking and drinking). I
wouldn't want the clickstream of people visiting Wikipedia articles
shared on Facebook without them pretty explicitly choosing to share
that information. We've already seen one kid in Britain who has
allegedly been thrown out of his house by fundamentalist parents after
Facebook algorithmically outed him as gay. [1]

I do also hope we'd decide on what basis we'd choose these social
services. Okay, yes, Facebook is pretty popular in the West. And
Twitter. And maybe G+. But what about in China: do we want to support
sharing to sites that are being censored by the Chinese government?
Does the Foundation have the expertise to know what the popular social
networking sites are in every country and language in the world? And
we'd then become a commercial player: if we had done this years ago
and had added MySpace integration, the moment MySpace stops being so
popular and Wikipedia (whether that's the community or the Foundation)
de-emphasizes the MySpace sharing/social functionality, there'd be a
big stack of headlines about how Wikipedia is pulling out of MySpace.
We really ought to be neutral in this market, and there's only one way
to be neutral: try as hard as possible not to participate.

You know, there might be an easier solution here: people who are into
the whole social networking thing, their browsers ought to improve
sharing with their social networks. Social plugins for browsers like
Firefox and Chrome are opt-in for the user, and can give a better
experience than Wikipedia pages being turned into NASCAR-esque branded
adverts for dozens of social sites. I know Mozilla people have been
discussing coming up with better ways of doing social sharing at the
browser level.

[1] 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/11/facebook-targeted-advertising-gay-teen_n_1200404.html

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[Wikimedia-l] Editor retention implies social features

[Jan Kučera]

Hi there,

how do we want to work on editor retention if we lack social features at all???

These go in the right direction:
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Improving_our_platform
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_features

Is WMF going to act finally???

Kozuch

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Translations of WMF documents [was: Re: Wikimedia Foundation Report, March 2012 [was: Re: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 97, Issue 43]]

[Osmar Valdebenito]

If increasing global reach and participation is part of our strategy, then
it is important to communicate in the principal languages and engage with
new people.
Certainly, communities can help to translate. But the Foundation can leave
that work only to the communities.
What if nobody in the Chinese, Spanish or Arabic communities of speakers is
able to do a decent work translating? Well, we leave billions of people
outside and our expansion in developing countries will be affected.
Also, it is important to have a coherent message across the world, without
misspellings or uncomplete translations that can hurt it. Volunteers do a
great job, but not the professional one we expect from the WMF.
Every respected international organization publishes in different
languages... when will the Wikimedia Foundation start doing it?


Osmar Valdebenito Gaete

Presidente de Wikimedia Chile

http://www.wikimediachile.cl

2012/4/16 Juergen Fenn 

> Am 14. April 2012 14:03 schrieb Martijn Hoekstra <
> martijnhoeks...@gmail.com>:
> > As a matter of principle, I wholeheartedly agree. But principles only
> > take you so far, and cost a great deal. I don't see much wrong with
> > the communities translating reports, rather than have the WMF spend my
> > donated money on translators.
>
> May I remind you that in German Wikipedia so many contributors are
> concerned by exclusion from discussions and annoucements in English
> that the German chapter had to start a newsletter last autumn that is
> compiled weekly as a joint effort by chapter staff and volunteers in
> order to inform about recent events. However, this does not replace
> translations. In publishing its announcements in English only, the
> Wikimedia Foundation does exclude the majority of Wikipedians from
> direct participation which is an unfair and undemocratic way. Any
> money spent on improving participation is well spent, if it costs
> anything more at all.
>
> Regards,
> Jürgen.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] this has been your time to shine!

[Ernesto García]

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Translations of WMF documents [was: Re: Wikimedia Foundation Report, March 2012 [was: Re: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 97, Issue 43]]

[Juergen Fenn]

Am 14. April 2012 14:03 schrieb Martijn Hoekstra :
> As a matter of principle, I wholeheartedly agree. But principles only
> take you so far, and cost a great deal. I don't see much wrong with
> the communities translating reports, rather than have the WMF spend my
> donated money on translators.

May I remind you that in German Wikipedia so many contributors are
concerned by exclusion from discussions and annoucements in English
that the German chapter had to start a newsletter last autumn that is
compiled weekly as a joint effort by chapter staff and volunteers in
order to inform about recent events. However, this does not replace
translations. In publishing its announcements in English only, the
Wikimedia Foundation does exclude the majority of Wikipedians from
direct participation which is an unfair and undemocratic way. Any
money spent on improving participation is well spent, if it costs
anything more at all.

Regards,
Jürgen.

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