[Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
Hi all, There's currently a proposal on the internal mailing list to close it, as well as the internal wiki. Although I don't disagree with closing the internal-l mailing list (it's definitely served its time), I would like us to collectively reconsider using the internal wiki. There is information within the Wikimedia movement that can't be shared publicly. Some of that information has been shared on the internal wiki, but much has been kept confidential within the various Wikimedia organisations that now exist. I think there's a lot of benefit to sharing more of that information in a confidential fashion on an internal wiki, and that we should start doing that much more than we're currently doing. Some examples of what I mean here are: # Agreements, particularly those with global impact, and/or where they affect more than one Wikimedia organisation. Part of the recent Monmouthpedia/Gibraltarpedia situation was caused by a lack of transparency about who had signed what agreements, and when they had been signed - if these had all been shared on an internal wiki then some of this could have been avoided. There's also a lot of experience now with existing agreements that could be reused when new agreements are being written, e.g. for Wikimedians in Residences. Sadly, not all of these can be made publicly available (or at least, they haven't been to date). # Press releases. When there's an upcoming significant press release from a Wikimedia organisation, then it should be good practice to share it with the other movement partners prior to its release, so that they are aware of it, can provide feedback, and can plan around it. Some of this already happens on wmfcc-l, but not consistently - much more could be done here. # Domain names. There is a list of these on internal already, which is actually being maintained by some people. Tackling squatted domain names and keeping track of who owns what is a global problem that should be done collaboratively, but in confidence, rather than just by individual organisations. # Contact information for the various organisations. Some of this can be done publicly, but not all, and it would be good to have a central place for this information anyway. # Notices of sensitive activities. E.g. if there's an upcoming risk of law suits, infrastructure difficulties within organisations, etc. then it would be good to be able to share these and ask for help without publishing them to the world at the same time. That doesn't need a mailing list - it can be done on a wiki. # … and I'm sure there's more examples that can go here, this isn't trying to be a complete list! So, rather than close the internal wiki, I'd like to propose a radical redesign and repurposing of it. Is there the interest and willingness in the WMF and the chapters to share such information with each other? Thanks, Mike (Note: this is a personal viewpoint, not necessarily that of WMUK.) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
FYI, list of private wikis: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_wikis#Private_wikis There are 27 private wikis hosted by the WMF, of which 15 for WMF internal organisation (including committees) and 3 for more general Wikimedia matters. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
On 3 Apr 2013, at 12:40, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: FYI, list of private wikis: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_wikis#Private_wikis There are 27 private wikis hosted by the WMF, of which 15 for WMF internal organisation (including committees) and 3 for more general Wikimedia matters. Thanks Nemo - that's a very useful link. It's good to see that there's a number of merge w/ internal comments/suggestions there, which would make a lot of sense to me. Thanks, Mike (Personal viewpoint) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
On Apr 3, 2013 11:34 AM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: # Agreements, particularly those with global impact, and/or where they affect more than one Wikimedia organisation. Part of the recent Monmouthpedia/Gibraltarpedia situation was caused by a lack of transparency about who had signed what agreements, and when they had been signed - if these had all been shared on an internal wiki then some of this could have been avoided. There's also a lot of experience now with existing agreements that could be reused when new agreements are being written, e.g. for Wikimedians in Residences. Sadly, not all of these can be made publicly available (or at least, they haven't been to date). I'd like to see that kind of thing made public. There are rarely good reasons not to other than vague expectations that they be private based on what other people do. # Press releases. When there's an upcoming significant press release from a Wikimedia organisation, then it should be good practice to share it with the other movement partners prior to its release, so that they are aware of it, can provide feedback, and can plan around it. Some of this already happens on wmfcc-l, but not consistently - much more could be done here. wmfcc-l sounds like the right venue to me. Pre-publication press release are transient things, so a mailing list works well. Wikis are better for long term storage of information. # Domain names. There is a list of these on internal already, which is actually being maintained by some people. Tackling squatted domain names and keeping track of who owns what is a global problem that should be done collaboratively, but in confidence, rather than just by individual organisations. A proper domain name policy making clear who should own what is what is needed there. Having domain names owned by random people is the problem, not the lack of a list of those random people. # Contact information for the various organisations. Some of this can be done publicly, but not all, and it would be good to have a central place for this information anyway. All organisations should have public contact details... We're not a secret society... # Notices of sensitive activities. E.g. if there's an upcoming risk of law suits, infrastructure difficulties within organisations, etc. then it would be good to be able to share these and ask for help without publishing them to the world at the same time. That doesn't need a mailing list - it can be done on a wiki. Again, this is transient so is better suited to a mailing list. I think internal-l has a purpose, but the internal wiki was abandoned long long ago because it wasn't actually useful. I once had a go at cleaning up the wiki (never did finish) and pretty much everything on there was several years out of date (and that was about 3 years ago - it's hardly been edited since). ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
Thanks Mike, I'm very much in favor of a redesign, with a reset of internal subscribers. What about a session during wikimedia conf in Milan about improving tools for communication within the movement partners? Charles Le 3 avr. 2013 à 12:34, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk a écrit : Hi all, There's currently a proposal on the internal mailing list to close it, as well as the internal wiki. Although I don't disagree with closing the internal-l mailing list (it's definitely served its time), I would like us to collectively reconsider using the internal wiki. There is information within the Wikimedia movement that can't be shared publicly. Some of that information has been shared on the internal wiki, but much has been kept confidential within the various Wikimedia organisations that now exist. I think there's a lot of benefit to sharing more of that information in a confidential fashion on an internal wiki, and that we should start doing that much more than we're currently doing. Some examples of what I mean here are: # Agreements, particularly those with global impact, and/or where they affect more than one Wikimedia organisation. Part of the recent Monmouthpedia/Gibraltarpedia situation was caused by a lack of transparency about who had signed what agreements, and when they had been signed - if these had all been shared on an internal wiki then some of this could have been avoided. There's also a lot of experience now with existing agreements that could be reused when new agreements are being written, e.g. for Wikimedians in Residences. Sadly, not all of these can be made publicly available (or at least, they haven't been to date). # Press releases. When there's an upcoming significant press release from a Wikimedia organisation, then it should be good practice to share it with the other movement partners prior to its release, so that they are aware of it, can provide feedback, and can plan around it. Some of this already happens on wmfcc-l, but not consistently - much more could be done here. # Domain names. There is a list of these on internal already, which is actually being maintained by some people. Tackling squatted domain names and keeping track of who owns what is a global problem that should be done collaboratively, but in confidence, rather than just by individual organisations. # Contact information for the various organisations. Some of this can be done publicly, but not all, and it would be good to have a central place for this information anyway. # Notices of sensitive activities. E.g. if there's an upcoming risk of law suits, infrastructure difficulties within organisations, etc. then it would be good to be able to share these and ask for help without publishing them to the world at the same time. That doesn't need a mailing list - it can be done on a wiki. # … and I'm sure there's more examples that can go here, this isn't trying to be a complete list! So, rather than close the internal wiki, I'd like to propose a radical redesign and repurposing of it. Is there the interest and willingness in the WMF and the chapters to share such information with each other? Thanks, Mike (Note: this is a personal viewpoint, not necessarily that of WMUK.) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
Michael Peel, 03/04/2013 12:43: Thanks Nemo - that's a very useful link. It's good to see that there's a number of merge w/ internal comments/suggestions there, which would make a lot of sense to me. Disclaimer: I didn't add those notes. :) Second technical note: a merge from a private wiki to another is very simple, because you don't have to check for confidentiality. For small wikis without files it's just a matter of Special:Export and Special:Import by a user with sufficient rights. Pages can be imported into a new namespace to avoid conflicts and to add namespace-specific user permissions if needed. Sysadmins are able to do it right, the only missing piece being the logs; it was recently done with wikitech-old merged into http://wikitech.wikimedia.org . Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
On Apr 3, 2013 12:07 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Second technical note: a merge from a private wiki to another is very simple, because you don't have to check for confidentiality That's not true. Just because it is private doesn't mean it is restricted to the same people. Things on a private wiki shouldn't be shared more widely without consultation than the people that posted them could have reasonably expected when they posted them. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
Thomas Dalton, 03/04/2013 13:12: On Apr 3, 2013 12:07 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Second technical note: a merge from a private wiki to another is very simple, because you don't have to check for confidentiality That's not true. Just because it is private doesn't mean it is restricted to the same people. Things on a private wiki shouldn't be shared more widely without consultation than the people that posted them could have reasonably expected when they posted them. May be, or may be not. (Members of internalwiki change constantly, so e.g. there's no way I could know who has had access to what I wrote there 5 years ago. I don't remember being consulted about every new user created there after I got myself removed.) At any rate, if you're moving content to another restricted wiki with trusted members, you don't have to worry about private stuff being published by mistake forever: if a mistake happens, you just have to delete it. Finally, namespaces can take care of ensuring that stuff keeps being restricted to the same groups as usual, if really needed. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
Le 2013-04-03 12:34, Michael Peel a écrit : # Agreements, particularly those with global impact, and/or where they affect more than one Wikimedia organisation. Part of the recent Monmouthpedia/Gibraltarpedia situation was caused by a lack of transparency about who had signed what agreements, and when they had been signed - if these had all been shared on an internal wiki then some of this could have been avoided. There's also a lot of experience now with existing agreements that could be reused when new agreements are being written, e.g. for Wikimedians in Residences. Sadly, not all of these can be made publicly available (or at least, they haven't been to date). Can you provide more information on this case? I never heard about Monmouthpedia/Gibraltarpedia despite they had a global impact. Would anyone be kind enough to explain me what kind of secret stuff we are talking about? -- Association Culture-Libre http://www.culture-libre.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Save the date: Wikimedia Australia committee get-together in Sydney, 7 April
Hi All, I am delighted to advise that we've now locked in the meeting room at the Customs House Library in the centre of Sydney for Sunday's session. If you're free on the day, please feel free to drop by between 11 and 4 for a chat. The library is located just opposite Circular Quay rail station, see the following link for a map: https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=Customs+House+Library,+Sydney,+New+South+Waleshl=enll=-33.862006,151.211776spn=0.003114,0.006539sll=-33.862006,151.211293sspn=0.003114,0.006539oq=Customs+Househq=Customs+House+Library,hnear=Sydney+New+South+Walest=mz=18 Hope to see many of you there! Regards, Craig Franklin Wikimedia Australia On 2 April 2013 21:33, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Hi Sydneysiders, As the WMAU committee will be in Sydney this weekend for the Wikimedia in Higher Education symposiumhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Sydney/5_April_2013, we thought that we should take the opportunity to have a get together with the Sydney Wikimedia community at large. As such, we’ve put *Sunday 7 April* aside for a face-to-face meeting with the community. This is your opportunity to meet with the committee, pepper us with QA, and talk with us about the future of the chapter and the Wikimedia movement in general. The location is still TBA, once we’ve got this secured we’ll let you know straight away. At the moment it is planned to be an all day event, but if you can’t spare the entire day feel free to drop in whenever. Cheers, Craig Franklin Wikimedia Australia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
I must confess, I have access to two of those general private wikis but very seldom use them all, which probably indicates that in their current form they don't serve much purpose. So bravo to Michael for raising the issue to see if we can squeeze some more function out of them! I'm intruiged by noboard_chapterswikimedia though - what is this for? To those wondering what sort of mysterious secrets are held on them, the answer is not much interesting. Mainly contact details and a semi-out-of-date listing for the internal-l mailing list, as far as I can see. Cheers, Craig Franklin On 3 April 2013 20:40, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: FYI, list of private wikis: https://meta.wikimedia.org/** wiki/Wikimedia_wikis#Private_**wikishttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_wikis#Private_wikis There are 27 private wikis hosted by the WMF, of which 15 for WMF internal organisation (including committees) and 3 for more general Wikimedia matters. Nemo __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
Craig Franklin, 03/04/2013 14:18: I must confess, I have access to two of those general private wikis but very seldom use them all, which probably indicates that in their current form they don't serve much purpose. So bravo to Michael for raising the issue to see if we can squeeze some more function out of them! I'm intruiged by noboard_chapterswikimedia though - what is this for? That's just the private wiki for the WMNO board. It will probably be renamed to a domain other than noboard.chapters.wikimedia.org because it breaks SSL certificates. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [wca] Telco on Friday
Dear all, I'm quite astonished we've planned a meeting without informing all the council members. The only information I've recieved about this meeting was this email. I'm not sure how we can improve but our processes seems quite broken to me. 2013/3/28 Markus Glaser markus.gla...@wikimedia.de Dear WCA and friends, we have found a date for our next call. It will be on Friday, 29th of March @ 2 pm UTC You can find the details including the agenda and dial-in instructions here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_** Association/Meetings/2013-13http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Meetings/2013-13 Please add to the agenda, it's not closed yet. Unfortunately, I cannot post the phone room number publicly. So please feel free to contact me if you want to join in or if you have any other questions. Meeting minutes will be taken in real time on Etherpad: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/**WCA http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/WCA Hope to hear and read you on Friday, Markus -- Markus Glaser WCA Council Member (WMDE) Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Pierre-Selim ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Save the date: Wikimedia Australia committee get-together in Sydney, 7 April
Why are these emails going to Wikimedia-l? They aren't really of interest to anyone outside Australia... On Apr 3, 2013 1:09 PM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Hi All, I am delighted to advise that we've now locked in the meeting room at the Customs House Library in the centre of Sydney for Sunday's session. If you're free on the day, please feel free to drop by between 11 and 4 for a chat. The library is located just opposite Circular Quay rail station, see the following link for a map: https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=Customs+House+Library,+Sydney,+New+South+Waleshl=enll=-33.862006,151.211776spn=0.003114,0.006539sll=-33.862006,151.211293sspn=0.003114,0.006539oq=Customs+Househq=Customs+House+Library,hnear=Sydney+New+South+Walest=mz=18 Hope to see many of you there! Regards, Craig Franklin Wikimedia Australia On 2 April 2013 21:33, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Hi Sydneysiders, As the WMAU committee will be in Sydney this weekend for the Wikimedia in Higher Education symposium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Sydney/5_April_2013, we thought that we should take the opportunity to have a get together with the Sydney Wikimedia community at large. As such, we’ve put *Sunday 7 April* aside for a face-to-face meeting with the community. This is your opportunity to meet with the committee, pepper us with QA, and talk with us about the future of the chapter and the Wikimedia movement in general. The location is still TBA, once we’ve got this secured we’ll let you know straight away. At the moment it is planned to be an all day event, but if you can’t spare the entire day feel free to drop in whenever. Cheers, Craig Franklin Wikimedia Australia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
Thomas Dalton, 03/04/2013 16:03: On Apr 3, 2013 12:27 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com mailto:nemow...@gmail.com wrote: May be, or may be not. (Members of internalwiki change constantly, so e.g. there's no way I could know who has had access to what I wrote there 5 years ago. I don't remember being consulted about every new user created there after I got myself removed.) But you knew the basis on which internal access is determined and that hasn't changed. Not true. It changed. You knew when you posted stuff there that new people would continue to be added, but could reasonably expect that it would continue to be restricted to the same kind of people as it was restricted to at the time, even if the actual people themselves changed. If it was decided to open up internal more widely, as has been discussed from time to time, it would be necessary to either seek permission from people or, more simply, delete things (or move them to a closed wiki that is still restricted). That has generally been part of any discussions on the subject. Not true. It was expanded and nobody asked my opinion. :) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
On Apr 3, 2013 3:43 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: But you knew the basis on which internal access is determined and that hasn't changed. Not true. It changed. Membership is still determined according to the WMF board's resolution from 2006. How long ago were you on there? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
This back and forth is tangential to Mike's proposal. Maybe make it a separate thread? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
On 3 April 2013 03:34, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: So, rather than close the internal wiki, I'd like to propose a radical redesign and repurposing of it. Is there the interest and willingness in the WMF and the chapters to share such information with each other? I'd argue against this. From the perspective of the Wikimedia Foundation, I would rather staff bias towards putting information on public wikis wherever possible, and I'd worry that staff energy going into updating a closed private wiki would by necessity pull focus from public work. I'd argue for closing both the internal wiki and the internal mailing list: IMO there's nothing on either that needs to be confidential. Thanks, Sue ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
On 3 April 2013 03:34, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: So, rather than close the internal wiki, I'd like to propose a radical redesign and repurposing of it. Is there the interest and willingness in the WMF and the chapters to share such information with each other? I'd argue against this. From the perspective of the Wikimedia Foundation, I would rather staff bias towards putting information on public wikis wherever possible, and I'd worry that staff energy going into updating a closed private wiki would by necessity pull focus from public work. I'd argue for closing both the internal wiki and the internal mailing list: IMO there's nothing on either that needs to be confidential. Thanks, Sue Yes, our work needs to be pubic and accessible. Fred Bauder USA ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
On 3 Apr 2013, at 19:46, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 3 April 2013 03:34, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: So, rather than close the internal wiki, I'd like to propose a radical redesign and repurposing of it. Is there the interest and willingness in the WMF and the chapters to share such information with each other? I'd argue against this. From the perspective of the Wikimedia Foundation, I would rather staff bias towards putting information on public wikis wherever possible, and I'd worry that staff energy going into updating a closed private wiki would by necessity pull focus from public work. I'd argue for closing both the internal wiki and the internal mailing list: IMO there's nothing on either that needs to be confidential. Would you be willing to close down the WMF office wiki and list at the same time, then? Thanks, Mike (From mobile) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: On 3 Apr 2013, at 19:46, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 3 April 2013 03:34, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: So, rather than close the internal wiki, I'd like to propose a radical redesign and repurposing of it. Is there the interest and willingness in the WMF and the chapters to share such information with each other? I'd argue against this. From the perspective of the Wikimedia Foundation, I would rather staff bias towards putting information on public wikis wherever possible, and I'd worry that staff energy going into updating a closed private wiki would by necessity pull focus from public work. I'd argue for closing both the internal wiki and the internal mailing list: IMO there's nothing on either that needs to be confidential. Would you be willing to close down the WMF office wiki and list at the same time, then? Thanks, Mike (From mobile) You're being snarky, but I am going to take this as a good-faith question I have access to the office wiki, left-over from being a board member, though I do not edit there and have only accessed it a couple of times over the years. I think I can safely say without violating confidentiality that it is mainly used as a tool to run a discrete, physical, boring office. It is where you will find things like staff phone numbers, info on the employee health plans, how to send to the office printers, and how to submit an expense report. As on internal, there's also lots of outdated stuff, like old notes from 2008 staff meetings; there are scratchpad idea pages that probably could be elsewhere, and there are some pages about department functions and project drafts that I'm sure no one would mind being on meta, but much of the interesting stuff is public (the annual plan, the communications calendar), and as far as I can see with a quick scan there are not large-scale discussions happening there. So, back to the start of the thread: using a wiki effectively does seem like a scoping question, yes, and I think internal (and any other internal/private wiki) would benefit from specific scoping like Mike proposes; his suggestions seem reasonable to me. I think I can also say without violating confidentiality that almost all of the mail to the internal list in the last few months has not been discussion focused, but rather has been notices of chapter board elections, meetings and reports, and I would love to see all that traffic be public (even if it's on a separate list so not everyone has to get the notices if they're not interested) -- there's nothing inherently confidential about it, and it would be nice for that info to be easily findable. -- phoebe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Video] WMMX Puebla's Edit-a-thon
Hi Salvador, thanks for sharing this video with us. Looks great. Who was the videographer? with which camera? On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks! I just wanna share with you a nice video made by one of our cultural partners (Atrolabio). Is about our chapter last Edit-a-thon in Mexico, the first in the city of Puebla. You can watch our chapter president Iván Martínez and two board members: Carmen Alcazar and Gustavo Sandoval giving the talks. It's a musical clip, then it's no needed to know spanish to enjoy it. http://vimeo.com/63202555 Best regards! -- *Salvador Alcántar Morán salvador_alc Wikimedia México* mx.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Video] WMMX Puebla's Edit-a-thon
Nice one! Thanks for sharing this. Markus Am 03.04.2013 22:00, schrieb Salvador A: Hi folks! I just wanna share with you a nice video made by one of our cultural partners (Atrolabio). Is about our chapter last Edit-a-thon in Mexico, the first in the city of Puebla. You can watch our chapter president Iván Martínez and two board members: Carmen Alcazar and Gustavo Sandoval giving the talks. It's a musical clip, then it's no needed to know spanish to enjoy it. http://vimeo.com/63202555 Best regards! -- Markus Glaser WCA Council Member (WMDE) Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
Charles, I'd very much like to see such a session at Wikimedia conf. Just today we had a situation in wca where it was not clear where relevant information about a topic is to be found. Ziko proposed a session on Communications internally and within the movement - reaching the right people efficiently. Maybe we could do a workshop afterwards? Would you be willing to take a lead on this? Best, Markus Am 03.04.2013 13:03, schrieb Charles Andres: Thanks Mike, I'm very much in favor of a redesign, with a reset of internal subscribers. What about a session during wikimedia conf in Milan about improving tools for communication within the movement partners? Charles Le 3 avr. 2013 à 12:34, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk a écrit : Hi all, There's currently a proposal on the internal mailing list to close it, as well as the internal wiki. Although I don't disagree with closing the internal-l mailing list (it's definitely served its time), I would like us to collectively reconsider using the internal wiki. There is information within the Wikimedia movement that can't be shared publicly. Some of that information has been shared on the internal wiki, but much has been kept confidential within the various Wikimedia organisations that now exist. I think there's a lot of benefit to sharing more of that information in a confidential fashion on an internal wiki, and that we should start doing that much more than we're currently doing. Some examples of what I mean here are: # Agreements, particularly those with global impact, and/or where they affect more than one Wikimedia organisation. Part of the recent Monmouthpedia/Gibraltarpedia situation was caused by a lack of transparency about who had signed what agreements, and when they had been signed - if these had all been shared on an internal wiki then some of this could have been avoided. There's also a lot of experience now with existing agreements that could be reused when new agreements are being written, e.g. for Wikimedians in Residences. Sadly, not all of these can be made publicly available (or at least, they haven't been to date). # Press releases. When there's an upcoming significant press release from a Wikimedia organisation, then it should be good practice to share it with the other movement partners prior to its release, so that they are aware of it, can provide feedback, and can plan around it. Some of this already happens on wmfcc-l, but not consistently - much more could be done here. # Domain names. There is a list of these on internal already, which is actually being maintained by some people. Tackling squatted domain names and keeping track of who owns what is a global problem that should be done collaboratively, but in confidence, rather than just by individual organisations. # Contact information for the various organisations. Some of this can be done publicly, but not all, and it would be good to have a central place for this information anyway. # Notices of sensitive activities. E.g. if there's an upcoming risk of law suits, infrastructure difficulties within organisations, etc. then it would be good to be able to share these and ask for help without publishing them to the world at the same time. That doesn't need a mailing list - it can be done on a wiki. # … and I'm sure there's more examples that can go here, this isn't trying to be a complete list! So, rather than close the internal wiki, I'd like to propose a radical redesign and repurposing of it. Is there the interest and willingness in the WMF and the chapters to share such information with each other? Thanks, Mike (Note: this is a personal viewpoint, not necessarily that of WMUK.) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Markus Glaser WCA Council Member (WMDE) Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Video] WMMX Puebla's Edit-a-thon
This is very nice! On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Markus Glaser markus.gla...@wikimedia.dewrote: Nice one! Thanks for sharing this. Markus Am 03.04.2013 22:00, schrieb Salvador A: Hi folks! I just wanna share with you a nice video made by one of our cultural partners (Atrolabio). Is about our chapter last Edit-a-thon in Mexico, the first in the city of Puebla. You can watch our chapter president Iván Martínez and two board members: Carmen Alcazar and Gustavo Sandoval giving the talks. It's a musical clip, then it's no needed to know spanish to enjoy it. http://vimeo.com/63202555 Best regards! -- Markus Glaser WCA Council Member (WMDE) Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- *Victor Grigas* Storyteller http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Knv6D6Thi0 Wikimedia Foundation vgri...@wikimedia.org +1 (415) 839-6885 x 6773 149 New Montgomery Street 6th floor San Francisco, CA 94105 https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Video] WMMX Puebla's Edit-a-thon
Hi Itzik! The videographer was Alfonso González, who works in one of the sponsors of the event, Astrolabio media agency. They will upload sooner a copy of the video to Commons and I'm asking now about the model of the used DSLR camera. 2013/4/3 Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il Hi Salvador, thanks for sharing this video with us. Looks great. Who was the videographer? with which camera? On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks! I just wanna share with you a nice video made by one of our cultural partners (Atrolabio). Is about our chapter last Edit-a-thon in Mexico, the first in the city of Puebla. You can watch our chapter president Iván Martínez and two board members: Carmen Alcazar and Gustavo Sandoval giving the talks. It's a musical clip, then it's no needed to know spanish to enjoy it. http://vimeo.com/63202555 Best regards! -- *Salvador Alcántar Morán salvador_alc Wikimedia México* mx.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- *Atentamente: Iván Martínez Presidente Wikimedia México A.C. wikimedia.mx Imagina un mundo en donde cada persona del planeta pueda tener acceso libre a la suma total del conocimiento humano. Eso es lo que estamos haciendo http://es.wikipedia.org. * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Video] WMMX Puebla's Edit-a-thon
Thanks for sharing! Emily Blanchard Talent Acquisition Team Wikimedia Foundation eblanchard@wikimedia. eblanch...@gmail.comorg http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home Become a Contributor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse Join Us: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us Developers Join the Fun: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Communication *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!* On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks! I just wanna share with you a nice video made by one of our cultural partners (Atrolabio). Is about our chapter last Edit-a-thon in Mexico, the first in the city of Puebla. You can watch our chapter president Iván Martínez and two board members: Carmen Alcazar and Gustavo Sandoval giving the talks. It's a musical clip, then it's no needed to know spanish to enjoy it. http://vimeo.com/63202555 Best regards! -- *Salvador Alcántar Morán salvador_alc Wikimedia México* mx.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:34 AM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: Hi all, # Press releases. When there's an upcoming significant press release from a Wikimedia organisation, then it should be good practice to share it with the other movement partners prior to its release, so that they are aware of it, can provide feedback, and can plan around it. Some of this already happens on wmfcc-l, but not consistently - much more could be done here. I really hope we continue to use the Communications Committee list for this purpose. I think if anything, more groups could share more of their press releases and information there. We try to do it with every press release at the WMF. It is an active part of our communications strategy for announcements. It's even something we explicitly state when we first liaise with press reps from the big telecommunications companies for Wikipedia Zero announcements. They probably aren't super comfortable with it, but we insist that the community who works in press will be given the embargoed release before it is public. # Domain names. There is a list of these on internal already, which is actually being maintained by some people. Tackling squatted domain names and keeping track of who owns what is a global problem that should be done collaboratively, but in confidence, rather than just by individual organisations. # Contact information for the various organisations. Some of this can be done publicly, but not all, and it would be good to have a central place for this information anyway. # Notices of sensitive activities. E.g. if there's an upcoming risk of law suits, infrastructure difficulties within organisations, etc. then it would be good to be able to share these and ask for help without publishing them to the world at the same time. That doesn't need a mailing list - it can be done on a wiki. # … and I'm sure there's more examples that can go here, this isn't trying to be a complete list! So, rather than close the internal wiki, I'd like to propose a radical redesign and repurposing of it. Is there the interest and willingness in the WMF and the chapters to share such information with each other? Thanks, Mike (Note: this is a personal viewpoint, not necessarily that of WMUK.) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Matthew Roth Global Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 ext 6635 www.wikimediafoundation.org *https://donate.wikimedia.org* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
