Re: [Wikimedia-l] "How I got addicted to Wikipediocracy…"

2013-07-10 Thread Matthew Roth 
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski  wrote:

> … writes Amanda Filipacci, the writer behind the recent Wikipedia
> novelists sexism scandal:  **strange-addiction-wikipedia/
> >.
>
> I'm not sure if it's still funny or maybe already depressing.
>

Which part, the essay or the absence of an editor at WSJ? 3500 words does
not a blog post make.


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[Wikimedia-l] "How I got addicted to Wikipediocracy…"

2013-07-10 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski 
… writes Amanda Filipacci, the writer behind the recent Wikipedia 
novelists sexism scandal: 
.


I'm not sure if it's still funny or maybe already depressing.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread David Gerard 
On 10 July 2013 21:20, Yaroslav M. Blanter  wrote:

> I do not see any reaction whatsoever from Wikimedia.ru , but from our WLM
> experience you probably remember that they are ... hmm ... not the fastest
> to react, and usually only do it after other people start complaining that
> they do not.


WMRU are aware - I asked about this on the comcom list and they noted
it was actually a serious issue - but I would expect they don't do
anything until they're quite sure the community is moving in that
direction, for probably-sensible reasons.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter 

On 10.07.2013 20:45, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote:

Hi again,
so I spent some time looking into the problem and wrote a short
summary at
http://twkozlowski.net/russian-wikipedia-under-threat-again/
() -- if anyone cares about what's
happening outside of the US, that is.

As described in the summary, there are plans for a massive strike on
the Russian Internet (Runet) on August 1, with the bill being
described as the Russian equivalent of SOPA. It also looks to me like
there is some public opposition against the bill (a petition to the
President of Russia already has over 130,000 signatures with just
100,000 being required), so the situation is developing quite
interestingly.

-- Tomasz



Hi Tomasz,

my understanding is that just today Russian Wikipedia Community started 
an RFC on the issue


http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B/%D0%9E_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2_%D0%90%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0

I do not see any reaction whatsoever from Wikimedia.ru , but from our 
WLM experience you probably remember that they are ... hmm ... not the 
fastest to react, and usually only do it after other people start 
complaining that they do not.


Since I am not involved with the Russian Wikipedia for over two years, 
I could have missed some important developments.


Cheers
Yaroslav

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski 

Hi again,
so I spent some time looking into the problem and wrote a short summary 
at http://twkozlowski.net/russian-wikipedia-under-threat-again/ 
() -- if anyone cares about what's 
happening outside of the US, that is.


As described in the summary, there are plans for a massive strike on the 
Russian Internet (Runet) on August 1, with the bill being described as 
the Russian equivalent of SOPA. It also looks to me like there is some 
public opposition against the bill (a petition to the President of 
Russia already has over 130,000 signatures with just 100,000 being 
required), so the situation is developing quite interestingly.


-- Tomasz

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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Nederland in June

2013-07-10 Thread Sandra Rientjes Wikimedia Nederland 
Our report for June is now available.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederland/201306

 It is also included in this message as plain text.

COMMUNITY: supporting and mobilising volunteers and editors

   -

   World War I Editathon

As part of an international initiative focussing on Wikipedia coverage of
the First World War, a small editathon took place in Museum Huis Doorn on
June 29. Only a few people attended, reflecting the limited interest in
World War I in the Netherlands. The event however could be the basis for
stronger cooperation with Museum Huis Doorn in the future.

WORK: content, collaboration and activity development

   -

   Behind the scenes at the National Library and National Archives

On 8 June 2013 the Koninklijke Bibliotheek and Nationaal Archief of the
Netherlands were open for Wikipedians for a tour behind the scenes. More
than 30 people came to learn more about the work and collections of KB and
NA. Experts from both organisations presented examples of outreach using
open data from the public collections, outlined future developments and
invited collaboration with the Wikimedia community. Overall aim is to add
to and improve content on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects by
making use of the collections of Archives and Library. The presentations
given by staff are online at wmnl:Backstage event KB & NA
8-6-2013(in
Dutch).

   -

   Meetings and potential new partners.

There have been talks with several new potential partners in The
Netherlands which may lead to new cooperation activities in the future.

   -

   the Maritime
Museumis
interested in edit-a-thons for their exhibitions,
   -

   The New Institute  showed interest in
   donating content,
   -

   Boek.be  contacted WMNL to discuss the possibility
   to reuse Wikipedia content for their data services,
   -

   The Communication and Multimedia Design Department at the the University
   of Applied Science in Utrecht might be interested in partnering for
their Museum
   
Battles
   .


WMNL: participation and supportNew website

First steps were made towards improving the WMNL website, which will focus
especially on providing information about WMNL activities for the wider
public. The revamped website will also have better interactive options and
will make it easier to sign up for events.

RESOURCES: Strong and sustainable financial position

   -

   Funding request granted

WMNL submitted a request for funding to the Fonds 1818 for activities in
the city The Hague within the framework of Wiki Loves Monuments. The
request was granted, enabling WMNL to organise an editathon, a photo-hunt
and other activities focussing on the historical monuments of The Hague.

   -

   Survey among donors

A small survey among people who gave money directly to WMNL showed that
they generally have a positive impression of WMNL and are inclined to give
money again. They would like to be informed more frequently about
developments and activities.

GLOBAL: International collaboration

   -

   WCA

WCAC Member Ziko van Dijk took part in the WCA phone conference on June 16.

ORGANISATION: board, management and support

   -

   Changes in division of roles within Board

On 6 June the board met in Utrecht. Secretary Paul Becherer became the new
treasurer, and Frans Grijzenhout the new secretary. Ad Huikeshoven, the
former treasurer, took over other tasks such as the Wikipedia-Dag (the
former Wikimedia Conference Nederland).

   -

   Board Manual

More information has been added to the board manual and this process will
continue to document how the Board operates. The aim is to facilitate
transitions when new Board Members are elected.

Sandra Rientjes
Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread Fred Bauder 
> On 10 July 2013 12:09, Marc A. Pelletier  wrote:
>> On 07/09/2013 11:36 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
>
>>> How
>>> is deliberate copyright infringement is not theft?
>
>> My previous message helpfully contained the definition of theft from
>> Canada's criminal code, which I expect is very near that of most or all
>> common law jurisdiction, at least.  If you had paid attention, you'd
>> have noticed that copyright violation doesn't even vaguely qualify.
>
>
> Indeed. Fred, at this point you're just insisting on derailing an
> important discussion.
>
> Now then. How do we deal with the problem at hand? (Which only a fool
> would think actually had anything to do with copyright concerns.)
>
>
> - d.

We could emphasize the illegitimate goals that Putin has in suppressing
information about his regime, but that seems unlikely to influence him or
his supporters. I guess the right of the Russian people to accurate
information should be emphasized.

Fred


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread David Gerard 
On 10 July 2013 12:09, Marc A. Pelletier  wrote:
> On 07/09/2013 11:36 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:

>> How
>> is deliberate copyright infringement is not theft?

> My previous message helpfully contained the definition of theft from
> Canada's criminal code, which I expect is very near that of most or all
> common law jurisdiction, at least.  If you had paid attention, you'd
> have noticed that copyright violation doesn't even vaguely qualify.


Indeed. Fred, at this point you're just insisting on derailing an
important discussion.

Now then. How do we deal with the problem at hand? (Which only a fool
would think actually had anything to do with copyright concerns.)


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread Marc A. Pelletier 
On 07/09/2013 11:36 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
> How
> is deliberate copyright infringement is not theft?

My previous message helpfully contained the definition of theft from
Canada's criminal code, which I expect is very near that of most or all
common law jurisdiction, at least.  If you had paid attention, you'd
have noticed that copyright violation doesn't even vaguely qualify.

Copyright infringement, deliberate or not, is not theft the same way
slapping someone isn't murder: that's simply not what theft /means/.

-- Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread Fred Bauder 
> David Gerard wrote:
>
>> Fred, what's your actual point and suggested course of action with
>> this thread, and what does it have to do with the original starting
>> point?
>
> I'm totally puzzled to see how this thread was turned on its head. Not
> the first time that this happens on this list, but it's still /the/ most
> perfect example on how to discuss crap instead of the actual point that
> I've seen in a long, long time.
>
> Though now I think of it, it's not the first time that a Russian
> Wikipedia-related thread gets hijacked and people end up discussing
> irrelevant shit and essentially wasting traffic.
>
> I'm really disappointed.
>
>   -- Tomasz
>

I suspect the Russian government will overreach in any event, but it
would help if Wikipedia did not have direct links to filesharing sites. I
know it seems remote that we could make a decision to not do that, but we
should. Then we will be in a much better position.

Fred



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski 

David Gerard wrote:


Fred, what's your actual point and suggested course of action with
this thread, and what does it have to do with the original starting
point?


I'm totally puzzled to see how this thread was turned on its head. Not 
the first time that this happens on this list, but it's still /the/ most 
perfect example on how to discuss crap instead of the actual point that 
I've seen in a long, long time.


Though now I think of it, it's not the first time that a Russian 
Wikipedia-related thread gets hijacked and people end up discussing 
irrelevant shit and essentially wasting traffic.


I'm really disappointed.

-- Tomasz

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[Wikimedia-l] [Language Engineering] Reminder: Office hour on July 10, 2013 at 1700 UTC/1000 PDT

2013-07-10 Thread Runa Bhattacharjee 
Hello,

This is a reminder that the Language Engineering team will be hosting an
IRC office hour later today, i.e. July 10, 2013 at 1700 UTC/1000 PDT on
#wikimedia-office (Freenode).

Thanks
Runa

Agenda:
==

1. ULS Rollout
2. Other updates
3. Q/A - We shall be taking questions during the session. Questions
can also be sent to runa at wikimedia dot org or siebrand at wikimedia
dot org before the event and can be addressed during the office-hour.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Runa Bhattacharjee 
Date: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:11 PM
Subject: [Language Engineering] Office hour on July 10, 2013 at 1700
UTC/1000 PDT
To: Wikimedia developers , Wikimedia
Mailing List , MediaWiki
internationalisation 


Hello,

The Wikimedia Language Engineering team [1] invites everyone to join
the team’s monthly office hour on July 10, 2013 at 1700 UTC/ 1000 PDT
on #wikimedia-office. During this session we would be talking about
some of our recent activities, including the Universal Language
Selector (ULS) rollout and updates from the ongoing projects.

See you all at the IRC office hour!

regards,
Runa

Event Details:
==

Date: July 10, 2013 (Wednesday)
Time: 1700-1800 UTC, 1000-1100 AM PDT
IRC channel: #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net

Agenda:

1. ULS Rollout
2. Other updates
3. Q/A - We shall be taking questions during the session. Questions
can also be sent to runa at wikimedia dot org or siebrand at wikimedia
dot org before the event and can be addressed during the office-hour.


[1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Language_Engineering_team


-- 
Language Engineering - Outreach and QA Coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra 
On Jul 10, 2013 8:59 AM, "David Gerard"  wrote:
>
> On 10 July 2013 07:51, Fred Bauder  wrote:
>
> > It is easiest to analyze if the work has never been published.
> > Distributing it then is a taking of intellectual property regardless of
> > whether the original is physically taken or only a copy. The theft is of
> > the possible gain lost. Actually, rather like claim jumping. It is not
> > the ore that is lost but the right to mine it and profit from it.
>
>
> Fred, what's your actual point and suggested course of action with
> this thread, and what does it have to do with the original starting
> point?
>
>
> - d.

+1. Could we abandon the discussion whether or not copyright violation is
theft or not ASAP, and get this thread back to what we can do about the
possible shutdown of Russian Wikipedia? The copyright status could be
interesting for a different thread and/or meta. The discussion copyvio vs
theft may be nice for irc or Usenet or something.

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