Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread David Gerard
On 10 December 2013 23:13, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 On 11/12/13 06:58, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote:

 I'm sure those reading this list can Google the topic themselves, so I
 won't link to the many angry discussion that are taking place on the
 interwebs right now;

 I tried Googling, including news and blog searches, and couldn't work
 out what you are talking about. Maybe you should provide links.


tl;dr Bitcoin fans really, really want Wikimedia to accept Bitcoin
donations; Wikimedia is not so interested, but haven't sent a big
Monty Python-style trademark foot down on Bitpay as yet. Nobody else
is very aware.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread James Alexander
[completely personal opinion]
To be totally, completely, honest I don't really want us to collect it...
and at this point it's mostly for personal reasons.

First off this isn't really a huge new push to get us to accept bitcoin,
they have been doing this ever 5-6 months in an organized fashion
(frequently, but probably not always, started by some of the big bitcoin
bloggers or payment providers) since at least 2010 when I was involved in
the fundraiser generally trying to shame us and force us to accept it. The
pushes generally include asking everyone to send fundraising emails and
writing as many articles about it as possible. Every time it happens people
say that they are getting angry and it's a thing. This is actually a
relatively minor burst of activity compared to the past couple years though
the fact that it is happening is to be expected given the fundraiser push
for the end of the year and the publicity that brings.

Part of me wants to say that it just isn't worth the effort. While I'm not
in the FR team anymore so things may have changed the effort to integrate a
new payment system is not tiny because it's actually very important for us
to have automatic tracking into our donation system etc. We used to have
multiple random payment e-wallet/payment methods spread out because people
had created different accounts and they were insanely difficult to keep
track of.

That said while I don't think the effort involved here is
tiny/insubstantial the real reason I don't want to do it is because, at
this point, it's seemed more and more like people wanted us to accept
bitcoin more as a political statement then anything else. That is not our
job, that is not our role, and I do not appreciate someone attempting to
use us to make themselves look more mainstream and accepted. During the
2011 fundraiser the campaign focused on the fact that we accepted
'currencies of anti internet countries' but wouldn't accept bitcoins. We
had integrated an enormous amount of different currencies (though each
individual one was not much work it was really just the original
integration that took forever). The articles and comments at the time
seemed very clearly to me to try and imply that we should not be accepting
these currencies (making it much harder for users in those countries to
give) because they were 'anti internet' and we should accept bitcoin
because it was 'pro internet'. I'm sorry, that's just not how we should be
making decisions.

The articles since then have not seemed any different (and have, perhaps,
seemed even more angry) every time I see stories asking us, or anyone for
that matter, to accept bitcoin it's always couched in the idea that oh X
and Y accept it so why won't YOU! and it is very clear that if we start
accepting it every story will include some variation of Wikipedia accepts
it and therefore how can you say it isn't mainstream!. Very few (i'm sure
they exist, but I haven't found them) of the articles talk about how much
money the non profits or companies are making, they are all about trying to
make a point and prove that we should accept bitcoin because... 'freedom'..
That isn't our job and, again, I don't like people who seem to be out to
use our name for their gain.

Sorry for the bit of a ramble here :-/ at this point whenever I see another
one of these pushes I want to accept bitcoin less and I respect the bitcoin
community a bit less. It's a great idea (with some flaws, but a great idea
none the less) but...this is not how to make it a respectable currency...
it's how to make it look like a niche toy beloved by people trying to push
an agenda :-/

James


On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:20 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 10 December 2013 23:13, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  On 11/12/13 06:58, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote:

  I'm sure those reading this list can Google the topic themselves, so I
  won't link to the many angry discussion that are taking place on the
  interwebs right now;

  I tried Googling, including news and blog searches, and couldn't work
  out what you are talking about. Maybe you should provide links.


 tl;dr Bitcoin fans really, really want Wikimedia to accept Bitcoin
 donations; Wikimedia is not so interested, but haven't sent a big
 Monty Python-style trademark foot down on Bitpay as yet. Nobody else
 is very aware.


 - d.

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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia NL in October and November

2013-12-11 Thread Sandra Rientjes Wikimedia Nederland
The report of our activities in October and November is available:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederland/201311

It is also included in this email.


Sandra Rientjes
Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland

tel. (+31) (0)6  31786379

www.wikimedia.nl

*Postadres*: * Bezoekadres:*
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3500 AD  Utrecht Utrecht




*Wikimedia Nederland: report on October and November 2013*


*COMMUNITY: supporting and mobilising volunteers and editors*

-Wikimedia Nederland Conferentie

The annual Wikimedia Nederland Conference on November 2 was attended by 138
people, many of whom had never attended a Wikimedia-event before. The
organisers has put together a varied programme, with presentations on
topics ranging from the way historians use Wikipedia to the latest software
developments. An introductory course on Wikipedia editing was especially
popular.



-Editor Training Public Library Amersfoort

WMNL is exploring ways of cooperating with public libraries. We organised
an edit-a-thon with an introductionary training in the public library of
Amersfoort. 12 people attended, 6 of whom had never edited pages before.



-Wikizaterdag 12/10, 26/10 9/11, 23/11

As usual, the Wikimedia Nederland office was open every second and fourth
Saturday of the month.



*WORK: content, collaboration and activity development*

-Editathon The Hague

Although Wiki Loves Monuments officially took place in September, we had a
small editathon aimed at improving articles on the monuments of The Hague
on October 12. The Monument Service of The Hague provided background
information.



-Wikipedians in Residence

Two new Wikipedians in Residence started work in October. Hans Muller and
Arie Sonneveld will work with the group of 12 specialised academic
libraries.

Sandra Fauconnier has been selected as the Wikipedian in Residence for The
Great Wikipedia Expedition project, a project of foundation for academic
heritage (SAE) and the Tropenmuseum.



-Design Editathon Centraal Museum (28 October)

As part of our ongoing cooperation with the Centraal Museum in Utrecht we
organised an editathon on Design. The 35 participants worked on the
articles on important Dutch designers.



-ECNC photo competition

WMNL supported the international conservation NGO ECNC in organising a
photo competition among its network of partners institutes. As a result 165
images on the relation between humans and nature were uploaded to Commons.
For WMNL this was also a pilot to see if and how initiatives by other
organisations can lead to specific new content.



-Catharijne Convent, Utrecht

A first meeting has taken place with the Museum Catharijne Convent to
discuss joint activities in 2014. This museum focusses on religious art and
heritage.



-550 years of parliamentary history

A group of WMNL volunteers and WP-editors has started a project aimed at
improving content concerning the history of the Dutch parliamentary system.



*WMNL*

-New WMNL Website

The new WMNL website was launched. It provides information about Wikimedia
Nederland’s mission and activities for the general public.



-Media coverage

An interview with three members of the WMNL community (WMNL Board Member
and WIkipedian Paul Becherer, Wikipedian in Residence Hay Kranen and WMNL
Director Sandra Rientjes) appeared in the national newspaper Algemeen
Dagblad on November 9

Sandra Rientjes was interviewed on national radio November 10.



*MONEY*

The FDC recommended to allocate WMNL € 304.000 in funds for 2014. This is
94% of the amount originally requested.



*GLOBAL: International collaboration*

-Diversity Conference, Berlin

WMNL staffmember Denise Jansen attended the Diversity Conference in Berlin.



-Wikipedia Seminar, Kulturrad Norway

WMNL staffmember Sebastiaan ter Burg spoke at a Wikipedia seminar in Oslo



-Community meetings in Germany

WMNL president Ziko van Dijk was a guest at the Cologne work shop in
October and, together with another member, at the WikiCon in Karlsruhe in
November.



-Flemish OER conference, Brussels

Ziko van Dijk represented WMNL at the 15th Anniversary Meeting of
KlasCement, a Flemish initiative similar to Wikiwijs, in the Flemish
ministry of education in Brussels (October).




*ORGANISATION: board, management and support*

-The board met in Utrecht on October 10 and via Skype on November 7.



-Boardmember Anke Peereboom resigned from the Board in September due to
workpressure. Boardmember Hans Muller resigned in November to avoid any
suggestion of a possible conflict of interest following his appointment as
Wikipedian in Residence.




*Upcoming:*

-End-of-year festive Wiki Saturday will be on December 21 in the WMNL
office in Utrecht.

-The New Years Reception will take place on January 18, 2014,  in The Hague.

[Wikimedia-l] [Reminder] Language Engineering IRC Office Hour today December 11, 2013 at 1700 UTC

2013-12-11 Thread Runa Bhattacharjee
Hello,

This is a reminder that the Wikimedia Language Engineering team will be
hosting an IRC office hour from 1700 to 1800UTC later today on
#wikimedia-office (FreeNode). Please see below for the event details.

Thanks
Runa

=== Event Details ===

What: WMF Language Engineering Office hour
When: December 11, 2013 (Wednesday). 1700-1800 UTC
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20131211T1700
Where: IRC Channel #wikimedia-office on FreeNode

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Date: Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:19 PM
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Hello,

The Wikimedia Language Engineering team will be hosting an IRC office
hour on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 between 17:00 - 18:00 UTC on
#wikimedia-office. (See below for timezone conversion and other
details.) We will be talking about some of our recent and upcoming
projects and then taking questions for the remaining time.

Questions and any other concerns can also be sent to me directly
before the event. See you there!

Thanks
Runa

=== Event Details ===

What: WMF Language Engineering Office hour
When: December 11, 2013 (Wednesday). 1700-1800 UTC
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20131211T1700
Where: IRC Channel #wikimedia-office on FreeNode

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread Tom Morris
I demand that the Wikimedia Foundation start accepting the following:

Litecoin
Namecoin
PPCoin
Feathercoin
Craftcoin
Quarkcoin
Freicoin
Devcoin
Terracoin
BBQCoin
Netcoin

Actually, scrap that, I've got an even better Ponzi scheme - sorry,
cryptocurrency: TomCoin.

And, best of all, if you start taking TomCoins I'll be happy to give you
a million of them. No, wait, how about a billion?

-- 
Tom Morris
http://tommorris.org/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread David Gerard
It's *completely* wrong to call these things Ponzi schemes.

*Technically*, they're pump-and-dumps.

- d.
 On 11 Dec 2013 10:59, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

 I demand that the Wikimedia Foundation start accepting the following:

 Litecoin
 Namecoin
 PPCoin
 Feathercoin
 Craftcoin
 Quarkcoin
 Freicoin
 Devcoin
 Terracoin
 BBQCoin
 Netcoin

 Actually, scrap that, I've got an even better Ponzi scheme - sorry,
 cryptocurrency: TomCoin.

 And, best of all, if you start taking TomCoins I'll be happy to give you
 a million of them. No, wait, how about a billion?

 --
 Tom Morris
 http://tommorris.org/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ombudsman Commission applications

2013-12-11 Thread Maggie Dennis
Hi, Pine.

I'm afraid that I'm not in the loop as to where it is at the moment. The
last I heard about it was in September, when it was to undergo legal review
before being submitted to the Board. But I'll try to find out where it is
right now. :)

Maggie


On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:13 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi Maggie, what's happening with the Ombudsman Commission scope RFC?

 Thanks,

 Pine


  Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 06:04:09 -0800
  From: Maggie Dennis mden...@wikimedia.org
  To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org,
Functionaries email list for the English Wikipedia
functionaries...@lists.wikimedia.org
  Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Ombudsman Commission applications
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 camuth1y1gkyu4zxk8xzjc-hkpxlvm+t+0j9oy3wrtwu5fm1...@mail.gmail.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 
  Hi
 
  It's coming close to time for annual appointments of community members
  to serve on the Ombudsman commission. This commission works on all
  Wikimedia projects to investigate complaints about violations of the
  privacy policy, especially in use of CheckUser tools, and to mediate
  between the complaining party and the individual whose work is being
  investigated. They may also assist the General Counsel, the Executive
  Director or the Board of Trustees in investigations of these issues. For
  more on their duties and roles, see
  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
 
  This is a call for community members interested in volunteering
  for appointment to this commission. Commissioners should be
  experienced Wikimedians, active on any project, who have previously used
  the CheckUser tool OR who have the technical ability to understand the
  CheckUser tool and the willingness to learn it. They are expected to be
  able to engage neutrally in investigating these concerns and to know when
  to recuse when other roles and relationships may cause conflict. (In the
  past, commissioners have turned in other roles that could cause
 conflict.)
 
  Commissioners are required to identify to the Wikimedia Foundation and
  must be willing to comply with the appropriate board policies (such as
  the access to non-public data policy and the privacy policy). This is
  a position that requires a high degree of discretion and trust.
 
  If you are interested in serving on this commission, please drop me a
  note detailing your experience on the projects, your thoughts on the
  commission and what you hope to bring to the role. The commission is
  deliberately quite small, so slots are limited, but all applications are
  appreciated. The deadline for applications is January 1. Any timezone. :)
 
  Please feel free to pass this invitation along to any users who you
  think may be interested.
 
  Thank you!
 
  Maggie
 
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread MZMcBride
James Alexander wrote:
That said while I don't think the effort involved here is
tiny/insubstantial the real reason I don't want to do it is because, at
this point, it's seemed more and more like people wanted us to accept
bitcoin more as a political statement then anything else. That is not our
job, that is not our role, and I do not appreciate someone attempting to
use us to make themselves look more mainstream and accepted.

It's funny, I just had a look at the wikimedia-l archive around January
2012... you know, that time when Wikipedia literally shut itself down as a
political statement. The following month, the Wikimedia Foundation
established a Community Advocacy department, not to be confused with
lobbying, of which you're now a member.

I can appreciate the many legitimate reasons to not accept Bitcoin and I'm
grateful for your candid thoughts on the matter, but the idea that you, of
all people, would try to claim that it might (gasp!) insert politics into
Wikipedia is simply disrespectful to history and reality.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread Robert Rohde
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:37 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
 Has there been any discussion about simply accepting Bitcoins but not
 exchanging them?
snip

I don't have a strong opinion on whether WMF should or should not
accept Bitcoin donations.  However, even if we were to accept them, I
don't believe we should be collecting them.  As I believe is already
the case with most foreign currency donations, Bitcoins (if accepted)
should be exchanged for dollars shortly after being received.

Whatever else Bitcoins might be, they are certainly subject to rapid
variations in market prices and considerable uncertainty regarding the
future regulatory environment.  As such, as an investment, they would
have to be classed as highly speculative.  Some people have made a lot
of money off of Bitcoins, and some others may yet make a lot more, but
there is also the potential to lose a lot of value if regulatory fiats
or undiscovered flaws in the Bitcoin system cause their value to
plummet.  I don't think holding on to high-risk investment vehicles
makes sense for a non-profit that aims to make responsible use of
people's donations.

-Robert Rohde

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread David Levy
MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:

 It's funny, I just had a look at the wikimedia-l archive around January
 2012... you know, that time when Wikipedia literally shut itself down as a
 political statement. The following month, the Wikimedia Foundation
 established a Community Advocacy department, not to be confused with
 lobbying, of which you're now a member.

 I can appreciate the many legitimate reasons to not accept Bitcoin and I'm
 grateful for your candid thoughts on the matter, but the idea that you, of
 all people, would try to claim that it might (gasp!) insert politics into
 Wikipedia is simply disrespectful to history and reality.

I interpreted James Alexander's statement to mean that it's not our
job and not our role to make the particular political statement
that Bitcoin's proponents seek.  This doesn't mean that it's *never*
okay for us to engage in advocacy of a political nature, particularly
in response to something potentially threatening a WMF project's very
existence.  (Whether SOPA and PIPA actually posed a significant threat
is debatable, but the action in question stemmed from the belief that
they did.)

David Levy

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:37 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
  Has there been any discussion about simply accepting Bitcoins but not
  exchanging them?
 snip

 I don't have a strong opinion on whether WMF should or should not
 accept Bitcoin donations.  However, even if we were to accept them, I
 don't believe we should be collecting them.  As I believe is already
 the case with most foreign currency donations, Bitcoins (if accepted)
 should be exchanged for dollars shortly after being received.


In my opinon this whole bitcoin debate is framed incorrectly. The question
is not if it should be accepted or not, but which parameters make any
currency or payment method acceptable.

If I had to name a few, I would say:
* less than 10% variation against WOCU (or any other currency basket) last
fiscal year
* at least 10b USD transaction volume last fiscal year

I don't have any preference for or against bitcoin either, but I think any
payment method should fulfill certain stability requirements. Once bitcoin
or any other currency fullfills those requirements (the ones I have
mentioned or others), it should be accepted.

Cheers,
Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:10 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:

 In my opinon this whole bitcoin debate is framed incorrectly. The question
 is not if it should be accepted or not, but which parameters make any
 currency or payment method acceptable.

 If I had to name a few, I would say:
 * less than 10% variation against WOCU (or any other currency basket) last
 fiscal year
 * at least 10b USD transaction volume last fiscal year

 I don't have any preference for or against bitcoin either, but I think any
 payment method should fulfill certain stability requirements. Once bitcoin
 or any other currency fullfills those requirements (the ones I have
 mentioned or others), it should be accepted.

 Cheers,
 Micru


It'd be simpler to state that the major factor in accepting a new payment
type is enabling donors who otherwise might not be able to donate. Adding a
currency with a small constituency might make sense, even if the currency
is unstable, if it permits donations from supporters in their native
currency. Bitcoin isn't native currency for anyone, and anyone who wishes
to make a Bitcoin donation could certainly do so using a more standard
currency.
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[Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-11 Thread María Sefidari
Hi everyone,

We'd like to draw your attention to our recent amendment of the 2009 
Biographies of Living People resolution. We have amended that resolution to 
refer to both text and media when considering articles or images of living 
people: 
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Media_about_living_people

We believe this amendment serves to clarify our original intent with this 
resolution, which is to urge the Wikimedia community to act with care when 
working with all portrayals of living people. 

This amended resolution was passed at the November 2013 Board meeting. 

For the Board of Trustees, 

María


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-11 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Maria,

thanks for sharing. To appreciate the resolution in its proper context, I
was wondering if you could share if there was a specific trigger to this
amendment?

Best,
Lodewijk


2013/12/11 María Sefidari kewlshr...@yahoo.es

 Hi everyone,

 We'd like to draw your attention to our recent amendment of the 2009
 Biographies of Living People resolution. We have amended that resolution to
 refer to both text and media when considering articles or images of living
 people:
 http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Media_about_living_people

 We believe this amendment serves to clarify our original intent with this
 resolution, which is to urge the Wikimedia community to act with care when
 working with all portrayals of living people.

 This amended resolution was passed at the November 2013 Board meeting.

 For the Board of Trustees,

 María


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-11 Thread Cristian Consonni
Il 11/dic/2013 21:07 Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org ha scritto:

 Hi Maria,

 thanks for sharing. To appreciate the resolution in its proper context, I
 was wondering if you could share if there was a specific trigger to this
 amendment?

I completely second the question.

Cristian.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-11 Thread Sydney Poore
Thank you, Maria for passing this on, and to the Board of Trustees for
adding wording to the resolution that more clearly conveys that WMF
projects are creating content and acting as a repository for a broad range
of media that have the potential to cause harm to living people.

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight


On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:20 PM, María Sefidari kewlshr...@yahoo.eswrote:

 Hi everyone,

 We'd like to draw your attention to our recent amendment of the 2009
 Biographies of Living People resolution. We have amended that resolution to
 refer to both text and media when considering articles or images of living
 people:
 http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Media_about_living_people

 We believe this amendment serves to clarify our original intent with this
 resolution, which is to urge the Wikimedia community to act with care when
 working with all portrayals of living people.

 This amended resolution was passed at the November 2013 Board meeting.

 For the Board of Trustees,

 María


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread Jake Orlowitz
I can think of a few reasons why we should accept bitcoin:

* It's consistent with our leadership in internet technology
* Our peers like EFF, and Internet archive accept it
* It's secured using the same kinds of encryption we rely on to maintain
user privacy
* It permits donations from countries that do not have Visa/Mastercard
services
* It has a fanatically loyal and growing following that is dying to give us
money in that currency

Most imporantly, current technology would permit us to accept bitcoin
without ever *holding* bitcoin.
Companies like BitPay ( https://bitpay.com/) and CoinBase (
https://coinbase.com/) are little different than accepting Visa,
Mastercard, or Paypal.  It's now possible for funds received as bitcoins to
be *immediately* converted to USD.

I don't think we should 'make a statement' by accepting bitcoin, I think
the currency is simply at the stage where it would be to our benefit to do
so.

Jake (Ocaasi)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread James Alexander
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 7:10 AM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote:

 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:

  It's funny, I just had a look at the wikimedia-l archive around January
  2012... you know, that time when Wikipedia literally shut itself down as
 a
  political statement. The following month, the Wikimedia Foundation
  established a Community Advocacy department, not to be confused with
  lobbying, of which you're now a member.
 
  I can appreciate the many legitimate reasons to not accept Bitcoin and
 I'm
  grateful for your candid thoughts on the matter, but the idea that you,
 of
  all people, would try to claim that it might (gasp!) insert politics into
  Wikipedia is simply disrespectful to history and reality.

 I interpreted James Alexander's statement to mean that it's not our
 job and not our role to make the particular political statement
 that Bitcoin's proponents seek.  This doesn't mean that it's *never*
 okay for us to engage in advocacy of a political nature, particularly
 in response to something potentially threatening a WMF project's very
 existence.  (Whether SOPA and PIPA actually posed a significant threat
 is debatable, but the action in question stemmed from the belief that
 they did.)

 David Levy


David is right,

I think the SOPA/PIPA decision was the correct one in the end but I very
highly respect those who did not/do not think it was. Even there I was
highly uncomfortable making a strong political statement, especially using
the project, and had to wrestle with myself a fair bit before I did it.
There is no doubt that we, as an organization and a community, are not
'neutral' in everything but I think we should avoid being political unless
we think it directly effects us and we have thought deeply about it. I have
no issue with the foundation and community advocating for internet
privacy/copyright laws etc for example but even those we need to be very
picky about. I do not think this arrises to that level yet.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Jake Orlowitz jorlow...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't think we should 'make a statement' by accepting bitcoin, I think
 the currency is simply at the stage where it would be to our benefit to do
 so.

 Jake (Ocaasi)


Without getting into some of your other arguments at the moment because of
lack of time (through I don't agree with them all) I do think it's
impossible to avoid 'making a statement' here. Whenever we do something we
have to not only think about it from what 'we' are trying to make a
statement about but also how it will be viewed. I think it is guaranteed
that the commercial and non commercial community who has been pushing this
for 4+ years will see it as a huge win and approval for their methods and
that given their consistent strategies we will be used as a reason for many
others to sign on as well with our 'support' being paraded around.

If we're going to do it, we need to know it's going to be seen and used as
a statement  whether we want it to or not.

James
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-11 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski

Lodewijk wrote:


thanks for sharing. To appreciate the resolution in its proper context, I
was wondering if you could share if there was a specific trigger to this
amendment?


How about 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=111671264oldid=102286853 
(as rumour has it)?


  Tomasz

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-11 Thread
I hope this is a coincidence. I have great difficulty believing that
the WMF board of trustees passed a resolution imagining that it would
appear to be a good thing that the *very first* action it is used for
is to justify the deletion of an artwork of one of its own members.

Whatever else is going on here, this is unfortunately timed in a way
that appears excessively pointy.

Fae

On 11 December 2013 21:53, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote:
 Lodewijk wrote:

 thanks for sharing. To appreciate the resolution in its proper context, I
 was wondering if you could share if there was a specific trigger to this
 amendment?


 How about
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=111671264oldid=102286853 (as
 rumour has it)?

   Tomasz


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-11 Thread María Sefidari

11/dic/2013 21:07 Lodewijk lodewijk at effeietsanders.org ha escrito: 

  Hi Maria, thanks for sharing. To appreciate the resolution in its proper 
  context, I was wondering if you could share if there was a specific trigger 
  to this amendment? 

 I completely second the question. Cristian.

Hi Lodewijk and Cristian,

Sure. It was prompted by a request at the Board Noticeboard on Meta: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#Personal_and_Moral_Rights.3F

Kind regards,

María
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread James Salsman
Hi Megan,

If someone wants to donate the harvestable platinum from an asteroid, would
you please make sure that an appropriately progressive excise tax is paid
to the ufohastings.com
concerns? Thanks muchly.
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3. Re: Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method (David Gerard)


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 This is a reminder that the Wikimedia Language Engineering team will be
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 Thanks
 Runa

 === Event Details ===

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 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:58:39 +0100
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 I demand that the Wikimedia Foundation start accepting the following:

 Litecoin
 Namecoin
 PPCoin
 Feathercoin
 Craftcoin
 Quarkcoin
 Freicoin
 Devcoin
 Terracoin
 BBQCoin
 Netcoin

 Actually, scrap that, I've got an even better Ponzi scheme - sorry,
 cryptocurrency: TomCoin.

 And, best of all, if you start taking TomCoins I'll be happy to give you
 a million of them. No, wait, how about a billion?

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 It's *completely* wrong to call these things Ponzi schemes.

 *Technically*, they're pump-and-dumps.

 - d.
  On 11 Dec 2013 10:59, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

  I demand that the Wikimedia Foundation start 

[Wikimedia-l] Reimagining Travel and Participation Support grants

2013-12-11 Thread Siko Bouterse
Hi all,
We've published an analysis of the Travel and Participation Support
Program.[1]

This program is a partnership between WMF, Wikimedia Deutschland, and
Wikimedia Switzerland to fund travel for Wikimedians to attend
non-Wikimedia events.[2]  After 2 years of operation, we wanted to learn
what's working and what's not.

Some key findings from the report include:

Opportunities:

*Travel funding provides opportunities to deeply connect participants to
the movement and each other.
*Participation Support demonstrates an opportunity to reach a range of new
Wikimedia grantees, including women and participants in the Global South.

Recommendations:

*The volume of requests and grants made in this program must be increased
in order to fully realize its potential; the scale of use is too small with
the current scope and setup.
*Program pages should be redesigned for ease-of-use and if possible with a
bit of joy.
*Publicizing the program should be a priority; blogs, social media, and
on-wiki promotional campaigns to spread awareness of the program could help
boost the number of requests.
*Simpler application methods should be investigated in order to keep the
process open to a range of applicants.
*Scope expansion for the program should be considered, particularly to
include Wikimedia events.

We hope to use the data in this report as a starting point to reimagine
if/how we can better support Wikimedians to travel and participate in
events.  Please have a look at the findings and share your thoughts and
ideas on the talk page:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Participation_talk:Support/Analysis

Warm regards,
Siko

1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Participation:Support/Analysis
2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Participation:Support

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread Tim Starling
On 12/12/13 02:54, Nathan wrote:
 Bitcoin isn't native currency for anyone, and anyone who wishes
 to make a Bitcoin donation could certainly do so using a more standard
 currency.

Well, this article from a year ago argues that bitcoin is safer for
donors than donating national currency:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/06/29/wikipedia-accepts-enemies-of-the-internet-currencies/

But just don’t try to donate safely in bitcoin — it’s not accepted.
[...]

Accepting anonymous bitcoin in addition to political currencies can
be a way of declaring that freedom of speech still does matter.

I would think that if anonymity is the main concern, a transaction
system with a public log of all transactions would not be the best choice.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Anonymity

The obvious time-tested choice for anonymous payment is, of course,
cash. Many charities do accept cash donations. Cash could be donated
to the local chapter by dropping it into a donation box, then it could
be either spent on local programs or forwarded to WMF.

-- Tim Starling


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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 9, Issue 49 -- 11 December 2013

2013-12-11 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
News and notes: Wiki Loves Monuments—winners announced
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In the media: Edward Snowden a hero; German Wikipedia court ruling
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Interview: Wikipedia's first Featured Article centurion
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Traffic report: Deaths of Mandela, Walker top the list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-12-11/Traffic_report

WikiProject report: WikiProject Wine
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Technology report: MediaWiki 1.22 released
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Closure of Community Logo Consultation

2013-12-11 Thread Samuel Klein
Dear Geoff and Yana,

The recent LCA consultations have been models of collaborative policy
review.  Thank you for your thoughtful approach, and for adding background
and texture to our movement's knowledge on each topic.

Sam


On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 Hi Dariusz,

 Thanks for the note and for your appreciation. It was our pleasure to help
 work this out and reach an informed decision with the community. It also
 helped inform the larger consultation on the proposed trademark policy [1].
 Trying to reconcile the law with a decentralized movement is not always
 easy.  But it definitely makes our job interesting.  :)

 Best,
 Yana and Geoff

 [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark_policy


 On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl
 wrote:

  Dear Geoff and Yana,
 
  even though the consultation results indicate that collective membership
  mark may have a slightly stronger support than abandoning all trademark
  registration, the issue is clearly very divisive. Taking the way the
 issue
  developed and its history, and past communication problems on the way, I
  think that recognizing a lack of clear consensus as a good reason to keep
  the status quo is sensible. I would like to thank you and commend you for
  your hard work, but also for your flexibility - it must have been tough
 to
  put in many hours and work on a solution you believe is best for the
  community, and then withdraw.
 
  best,
 
  Dariusz Jemielniak pundit
 
 
  On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 2:05 AM, Geoff Brigham gbrig...@wikimedia.org
  wrote:
 
   Hi all,
  
   The consultation
  
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Logo/Request_for_consultation
   has
   been closed on the question about the community logo registration.
   Many thanks to everyone who provided their comments.   Based on the
   consultation, we will be recommending to the Board that we withdraw
   WMFtrademark registration and protection of the Community logo.
  
   Many thanks to all,
  
   Geoff and Yana
  
   [1]
  
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Logo/Request_for_consultation
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