Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

[Liam Wyatt]

On 1 April 2014 16:22, MZMcBride  wrote:

> Sue Gardner wrote:
> >For everyone: following up on Erik's e-mail, the WMF has done a
> >postmortem of the Belfer situation, which I've just posted at the link
> >from Erik above. Suffice to say here that we implemented the Belfer
> >Wikipedian-in-Residence project with editing as a core activity of the
> >WIR role, despite internal and external voices strongly advising us
> >not to. That was a mistake, and we shouldn't have done it.
>
> Thank you for taking the time to put the postmortem together. I've been
> very impressed with and appreciate the candor and thoughtfulness that have
> gone into the responses to this discussion. Growing pains are still
> pains, of course, but I'm hopefully optimistic that the Wikimedia
> Foundation is learning from its experiences, good and bad, as it matures.
>
> MZMcBride
>
> Let me second that sentiment. Thank you Sue, Erik et al. at the WMF. While
I'm sure there will be ongoing discussions about this topic on the mailing
lists and on-wiki, I too am heartened by the genuine concern,
non-defensiveness (in the face of criticism - including mine), and
willingness to investigate this issue.

Sincerely,
-Liam / Wittylama

wittylama.com
Peace, love & metadata
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

[MZMcBride]

Sue Gardner wrote:
>For everyone: following up on Erik's e-mail, the WMF has done a
>postmortem of the Belfer situation, which I've just posted at the link
>from Erik above. Suffice to say here that we implemented the Belfer
>Wikipedian-in-Residence project with editing as a core activity of the
>WIR role, despite internal and external voices strongly advising us
>not to. That was a mistake, and we shouldn't have done it.

Thank you for taking the time to put the postmortem together. I've been
very impressed with and appreciate the candor and thoughtfulness that have
gone into the responses to this discussion. Growing pains are still
pains, of course, but I'm hopefully optimistic that the Wikimedia
Foundation is learning from its experiences, good and bad, as it matures.

MZMcBride



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[Wikimedia-l] Over 20000 maps released as CC0 by NY Public Library

[Charles Gregory]

From the NYPL's blog - http://www.nypl.org/blog/2014/03/28/open-access-maps

"The Lionel Pincus & Princess Firyal Map Division is very proud to announce
the release of more than 20,000 cartographic works as high resolution
downloads. We believe these maps have no known US copyright restrictions.
To the extent that some jurisdictions grant NYPL an additional copyright in
the digital reproductions of these maps, NYPL is distributing these images
under a Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal Public Domain Dedication. The
maps can be viewed through the New York Public Library's Digital
Collections page, and downloaded (!), through the Map Warper"

Regards,

Charles / User:Chuq
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

[Sue Gardner]

On 21 March 2014 13:23, Erik Moeller  wrote:
> We will update the wiki page at
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedian_in_Residence/Harvard_University_assessment
> with more information and details. I encourage others to participate
> in this as a collaborative process.

Thanks Erik.

For everyone: following up on Erik's e-mail, the WMF has done a
postmortem of the Belfer situation, which I've just posted at the link
from Erik above. Suffice to say here that we implemented the Belfer
Wikipedian-in-Residence project with editing as a core activity of the
WIR role, despite internal and external voices strongly advising us
not to. That was a mistake, and we shouldn't have done it.

I want to apologize for it, particularly to Asaf Bartov, Siko
Bouterse, LiAnna Davis, Frank Schulenburg, Pete Forsyth, Lori Phillips
and Liam Wyatt, who tried to guide the project in the right direction
and whose voices didn't get heard. We did advise the Belfer Center and
the Wikipedian-in-Residence about conflict-of-interest policies on
enWP, and so far we haven't seen any evidence to suggest major
problems with Timothy's edits. That said, we didn't structure the
program in a way that would've appropriately mitigated the risk of
problematic edits, and we wish we had. We also wish we'd been better
able to support our partner organizations in understanding and
navigating community policies and best practices.

Thanks,
Sue

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[Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation

[Sue Gardner]

Hey folks,

The purpose of this note is to remind you that the WMF will be
participating in the FDC Process Round 2, which begins tomorrow. I'd
like to invite you to comment on the plan-in-progress, which will be
at this URL within about 24 hours:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/Wikimedia_Foundation/Proposal_form

The WMF welcomes your thoughts on the draft plan. Of course you're
free to ask questions and make comments on whatever aspects of it
interest you, but we'd probably find high-level input the most useful.
Does it seem to you that the WMF's 2014-15 planning is generally on
the right track? Do you believe the four "crucial initiatives" as
described in the draft are where the WMF should be focusing its
energy? What do you think about our plans WRT the technical
infrastructure, our mobile work, editor engagement, and non-technical
movement support? Bearing in mind that we're an organization focused
fairly narrowly on product & engineering and on grantmaking, is there
anything really significant that you see as missing from the draft?
Are we missing any important risks to the organization or to the
movement overall?

Please don't reply here, because your input might get missed by the
people who should see it. Please reply on meta, at the link above.

And a few explanatory caveats:

First, it's important to know that the plan, at this point, is draft.
That's new. Last year the WMF submitted material after it had been
approved by the WMF Board and after the fiscal year had begun. That
was an okay first step to getting input from community members, but
obviously the input will have more impact if we get it before the
plan's locked down. That's why this year we're submitting a draft
version of the WMF plan, rather than a final version. We've
deliberately synched up the timing of the WMF planning and FDC review
processes such that the community/FDC input will come in during April
and early May, which is exactly when the plan is being actively
refined and revised on a near-daily basis by the team responsible for
it (primarily the C-level people, and also the people who work in
their departments).The benefit of this timing is that community/FDC
input can easily be incorporated into our thinking while we're
actively discussing and rethinking and revising internally at the WMF.
The drawback is it means you'll be reviewing material that is still a
work-in-progress, and so you may find mistakes. The plan may also be a
little confusing, which is partly because it's still in-progress, and
also partly because we are merging this year the original
WMF-Board-only format with the FDC proposal requirements. It'll be a
little clunky: we ask you to bear with us as we work out the kinks.

Second. You'll need to bear with us if we seem a little slow or
unresponsive during the discussions. It's a busy time for the WMF:
we're currently actively recruiting my successor as ED, which means
Erik, Geoff, Gayle and I are far busier than we normally would be.
And, the WMF will be working through roles-and-responsibilities for
the FDC process in real time during the discussion period, which means
questions may languish for a while before we figure out internally
who's supposed to answer them. It might also be worth me saying that
we won't have unlimited time for the process, and we're hoping it will
be broadly participatory rather than being dominated by a small number
of people. That means that if any particular person has lots of
questions and follow-ups, we may eventually be unable to keep
responding. If that happens to you, please don't be insulted -- it
won't be personal. Also, if questions are asked and you know the
answers (or can link to answers or more information) please feel free
to help each other as well: you don't need to wait for us.

Third. You should know -- the WMF is not asking the FDC to recommend a
dollar allocation for the WMF to the WMF Board for approval. Partly
that's because from a timing perspective there's no good way to make
it work. The WMF Board needs to approve the plan by 1 July 2014 when
the new fiscal year begins, and the FDC input is released 1 June. That
month-long window doesn't leave sufficient time for the WMF to
adequately incorporate a dollar amount recommendation from the FDC
into our cycle, particularly given that the window needs to also
include WMF Board approval. Ultimately, I think it's fine that the WMF
Board would approve a dollar amount from the WMF rather than the FDC:
I think the most important function the FDC can play here is to help
the WMF to evaluate and assess the strength of the plan overall. And
so, I've asked the FDC to i) provide input on the plan on the WMF's
proposal page during the community review period (the month of April),
ii) give the WMF formal feedback (reinforcement, support, suggestions,
concerns) on 8 May, and iii) if it chooses to, give a more full and
detailed assessment of the WMF plan as part of its overall package of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amical Wikimedia Report, February 2014

[David Parreño Mont]

Thank you, Samuel! As you know, without the involvement of the Catalan
Wikip(m)edia community, these results would not be possible.

David Parreño Mont


2014-03-21 20:16 GMT+01:00 Samuel Klein :

> Thanks David, this is really lovely as usual.  SJ
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM, David Parreño Mont - Comunicació
>  wrote:
> > Dear fellows,
> >
> > The following message is just to keep you informed about the activities
> > developed in February by Amical Wikimedia.
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Amical_Wikimedia/February_2014
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > David Parreño Mont
> > User:Davidpar
> > Communications, Amical Wikimedia
> >
> > 
> >
> > *Source:* https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Amical_Wikimedia/February_2014
> >
> > GLAM-WIKI
> >
> >- 1st February -- Wikipedia editing workshop at Almenar's public
> library.
> >ESM
> >- 1st February -- Meeting with Secció de Ciències del Museu de Mataró
> >(Science section of Mataró Museum) to explore ways of collaboration.
> >Vàngelis Villar, Papapep, Dvdgmz
> >- 11th February -- GLAMwiki talk at *Update. Actualiza tu
> > patrimonio*("Update". Update your heritage), a course aimed at GLAM
> > professionals held
> >in Seville. ESM
> >- 13th February -- Follow-up meeting at Fundació Joan Miró
> (Barcelona) to
> >extend the current wikiproject until mid-May. Kippelboy, ESM
> >- 18th February -- Wikipedia follow up Meeting at the Tarragona Public
> >Library Kippelboy
> >- 19th February -- Participation in the talk *Del templo al mundo*
> (From
> >the temple to the world), given in a Social Media Week Barcelona
> session.
> >ESM
> >- 20th February: Meeting with Libraries of the Pompeu Fabra
> University.
> >Davidpar
> >- 22th February: Meeting with Begur Library and Archive. Davidpar
> >- 24th February: Wikipedia and GLAMWiki Workshop to Public Servers of
> >the Cultural Ministry of the Catalan Government Kippelboy
> >- 28th January to 14th April -- Il·lustraciència Award from Associació
> >Catalana de Comunicació Científica (Catalan Asociation of Science
> >Comunication) give to the participants the option to accept Wikimedia
> >Commons upload of their artworks. Post in the blog 12th february[1].
> >
> > Education
> >
> >- 4th February Wikipedia editing workshop at Esmuc to lauch a
> >educational project Kippelboy, Marionaaragay
> >- 6th February - Meeting with MACBA & Fundació Joan Brossa to prepare
> >october's edit-a-thon on Joan Brossa[2], Kippelboy
> >- 10th & 14th Febryary - 2 Wikipedia workshop for 350 students during
> >the Kick off of the Museu del Disseny Wikiproject, where 13 design
> schools
> >will improve content on Wikipedia.Kippelboy
> >- 10th February - Meeting with CCCB to lauch educational projects
> >barcelona, Kippelboy
> >- 14th February - Meeting with the Dean of Computers Information of
> the
> >Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya to lauch educational projects
> KRLS,
> >Kippelboy
> >- 19th February - Wikipedia editing workshop at Universitat Autònoma
> de
> >Barcelona to lauch the educational project #Viquiclàssics Kippelboy,
> >Marionaaragay
> >- 20th February - Viquitexts workshop for teachers and Wikipedia
> >workshop to 25 students of the University of València. KRLS, Kippelboy
> >- 24th February - 2 Wikipedia workshops to 75 students of the
> University
> >of Barcelona. 2nd edition of Wikimodernisme project kick off Kippelboy
> >- 26th February - Meeting with Open University of Catalonia to lauch
> >Wikipedian in Residence project Kippelboy
> >- 27th February - Meeting with the Open Knowledge team of the
> University
> >of Castelló (Jaume I) to draft an eduwiki collaboration Kippelboy
> >
> >
> >- wikiArS initiative:
> >   - February 5th -- Wikijunior:Let's Talk about Crystallization in
> the
> >   Naica Mine[3] translated into English. Catgirl
> >   - April 6th -- Llotja Design Degree. Class about free licenses and
> how
> >   to use Open Street Maps and other sources to produce urban parks
> maps for
> >   Wikipedia. Dvdgmz
> >   - February 6th -- Meeting at Art del Treball School with Markitus
> >   Serra & Carlota Rodríguez, students, and Josep Cuello,
> > mycologist adviser.
> >   Dvdgmz
> >   - February 10th -- 3 scientific illustrations of fungui published
> by
> >   Markitus Serra. First use of Campaign:wikiArS.
> >   - February 14th -- Meeting in Pau Gargallo with teachers Jordi
> Badal,
> >   Paulina Muchart and Paula Cuadros, and student David Valle. Dvdgmz
> >   - During the month: 4 students from Pau Gargallo School of Art
> >   working in scientific illustrations; 9 students from Llotja
> working in
> >   portraits and illustrations of animals; in internship with Amical.
> 2
> >   students from Art del Treball and edRa working in graphics related
> with
> >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Itzik Edri]

This is totally surprise for me. I checked the last years participation
lists, and none of the chapters sent more than 2+1 representatives. The
idea all this years was very simple: to keep the conference small as
possible in order to have effective discussions, and to allow all the
chapter to be equal - neither if you are WMDE or a chapter that just been
approved few months ago with zero budget.

The fact that this year the "rules" (if they been written or not somewhere
till now is less relevant) had been changed without having a discussions
about it very disappointing. I'll be happy to hear from the organization
committee about this surprising change.

BTW - The idea that people from WMUK are coming in order to promote
Wikimania among chapters makes me very amusement.


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Jon Davies wrote:

> A few points.
>
> There is no policy to restrict participation to three representatives.
> Indeed, many chapters are sending more than three delegates as has been the
> case in previous years.
>
> For the record we have people going for four reasons:
>
>- CEO and Chair as standard
>- Two staff and one trustee who are invited to do presentations on areas
>of strength in the chapter.
>- Two trustees (we are guessing KR might actually be a misnamed Kate
>West) who will be using this as part of their induction as trustees - a
>great chance to meet other people and learn about the community.
>- Everyone can promote Wikimania London and learn about people's ideas
>and expectations.
>
> I think this is a sensible use of our resources, (flights to Berlin are
> cheaper than many train journeys to UK cities), supports our learning and
> helps share our knowledge and understanding with other chapters.
>
> And on a final point we will certainly not be going round in a sort of WMUK
> gang trying to overwhelm small chapters - quite the opposite and I think we
> have a good record at WMUK of supporting others.
>
> *Regards, Jon Davies*
>
>
> *CEO Wikimedia UK.*
>
>
> On 31 March 2014 15:43, Russavia  wrote:
>
> > Gerard, et al
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > My point is very much that it is for the chapter to decide if they
> > > spend their money wisely. It is for members of a chapter to question
> this
> > > at an appropriate time and at an appropriate place.
> >
> >
> > Might I make a point here.
> >
> > It is not "their money", but rather the money of donors -- i.e. the
> general
> > public -- who are every year told that Wikipedia needs your help to
> > survive.
> >
> > The "movement", as you all like to refer to it, has a tendency to waste
> > money on frivolous things such as travel and accommodation, as
> demonstrated
> > last year by
> > http://twkozlowski.net/how-40k-dollars-turned-to-petty-cash/and
> > http://twkozlowski.net/saving-by-spending-according-to-affcom/
> >
> > The appropriate time to question such spending is BEFORE the funds is
> > committed and spent. The place is unimportant, but here is as good as
> any.
> >
> > As a member of "the movement", Fae has every right to ask such questions,
> > and I believe he also has the right to be able to ask such questions
> > without snide remarks such as "Really Fae, as you are no longer the
> chair,
> > why rule "from the grave"?" being thrown at him . Unfortunately, there
> is a
> > tendency in "the movement" when legitimate questions are raised, for a
> > committed movementarian to deflect from that questioning with snide
> > attacks.
> >
> > Now, Fae has asked some legit questions of UK chapter, and it is only
> fair
> > that they answer them.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Russavia
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>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [FDC] WMFr Proposal - Call for copyediting

[Christophe Henner]

1st April 23h59 UTC/GMT. So you have plenty of time ! :)
--
Christophe


On 31 March 2014 21:20, Federico Leva (Nemo)  wrote:
> Christophe Henner, 31/03/2014 19:59:
>
>> If anyone has the courage to help us proofread our proposal, your help
>> will be much appreciated.
>
>
> How much time left before the text is frozen and typofixes become strictly
> forbidden? I'd rather not be slapped by the staff for excessive helpfulness
> as happened to some. ;-)
>
> Nemo
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [FDC] WMFr Proposal - Call for copyediting

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Christophe Henner, 31/03/2014 19:59:

If anyone has the courage to help us proofread our proposal, your help
will be much appreciated.


How much time left before the text is frozen and typofixes become 
strictly forbidden? I'd rather not be slapped by the staff for excessive 
helpfulness as happened to some. ;-)


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [FDC] WMFr Proposal - Call for copyediting

[Christophe Henner]

On our internal wiki. Though now it might be out of date as we're only
proof readin the english version.

Sorry :(
--
Christophe


On 31 March 2014 20:52, Cristian Consonni  wrote:
> 2014-03-31 19:59 GMT+02:00 Christophe Henner :
>> As you might know, or not, tomorrow nght the round 2 of this year FDC
>> proposal will close.
>>
>> Our proposal is on meta :
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/Wikim%C3%A9dia_France/Proposal_form
>> and we're copy editing  it.
>>
>> In the past it has been brought to our attention that our proposal did
>> include slight mistakes.
>>
>> If anyone has the courage to help us proofread our proposal, your help
>> will be much appreciated.
>
> Is there also a French version somewhere? (Just asking)
>
> Cristian
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [FDC] WMFr Proposal - Call for copyediting

[Cristian Consonni]

2014-03-31 19:59 GMT+02:00 Christophe Henner :
> As you might know, or not, tomorrow nght the round 2 of this year FDC
> proposal will close.
>
> Our proposal is on meta :
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/Wikim%C3%A9dia_France/Proposal_form
> and we're copy editing  it.
>
> In the past it has been brought to our attention that our proposal did
> include slight mistakes.
>
> If anyone has the courage to help us proofread our proposal, your help
> will be much appreciated.

Is there also a French version somewhere? (Just asking)

Cristian

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[Wikimedia-l] [FDC] WMFr Proposal - Call for copyediting

[Christophe Henner]

Hi everyone,

As you might know, or not, tomorrow nght the round 2 of this year FDC
proposal will close.

Our proposal is on meta :
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/Wikim%C3%A9dia_France/Proposal_form
and we're copy editing  it.

In the past it has been brought to our attention that our proposal did
include slight mistakes.

If anyone has the courage to help us proofread our proposal, your help
will be much appreciated.

In the mean time, if you spot errors or parts you don't totally get,
please tell us, we'll do our best to improve it before tomorrow
evening.

Also, if you have any questions regarding our programs for next year,
don't wait tomorrow to ask us questions about it.

Thanks for anyone who will help us improve our proposal.

Best,

--
Christophe

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Goodbye as the German president of the Dutch chapter

[Fæ]

Thanks for all your hard work Ziko. It has always been appreciated.

Fae
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[Wikimedia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

[Vishnu]

Dear Wikimedians,

I am glad to share with you the detailed work plan of CIS-A2K for the 
period July 2014-July 2015 [1] . This work plan consists of 21 plans 
across 6 verticals.


These are:
* 7 Language Area Plans
* 3 Community Strengthening Initiatives
* 8 Stand-alone Wikimedia Projects
* Creating Movement Resources
* Publicity, Research and Documentation
* General Support and Service to the Movement

The work plan includes details of aims, objectives, programme activities 
and expected outcomes. Most of the language area plans were put together 
in active consultation with the respective Wikimedia language 
communities. Various inputs and ideas contributed, opportunities 
provided, and challenges thrown at the CIS-A2K program during the last 
year by the Wikimedia communities in India, our institutional partners, 
Executive Committee (EC) of Wikimedia India Chapter (WMIN) and the 
Wikimedia Foundation's Grantmaking Team have significantly informed our 
work plans.


Each plan has an independent budget and is closely mapped on to the 
implementation plan. An attempt is made to correlate why we are spending 
a certain amount on a certain activity. Thus all these budgets are very 
optimally planned and the overall budget is an assimilation. CIS-A2K 
believes that this will give mission level transparency to our work and 
provide a clearer structure of accountability to the movement and the 
community.


Please do share your feedback and inputs on the respective plan 
discussion pages. We would be glad to correct ourselves if you could 
point out to any major omissions and errors in plans. We will be 
approaching the FDC requesting support for this work plan [2].


Thanks,
Vishnu
(Program Director, CIS-A2K)
[1] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015
[2] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Goodbye as the German president of the Dutch chapter

[Florence Devouard]

I hope it is just a "goodbye" chapter-wise and will be happy to share a 
beer with you in London (not an English one ;))


Flo

On 30/03/14 19:59, Ziko van Dijk wrote:

Dear colleagues, collaborators and friends of free knowledge,

After three eventful years I left the board of Wikimedia Nederland;
yesterday was the General Assembly in Utrecht. This means a 'goodbye'.

In this time, I had the privilege and pleasure to work with many great
people in many different organisations. We saw a lot of small steps
and some bigger ones directed to our common goal, the support of free
knowledge. Certainly, not everything we as a movement or parts of the
movement was achieved, though.

Between many WMNL members and me, there were two grades of separation:
coming from the humanities, my geekiness differs a little from the
average Wikipedianess; having the German Wikipedia as my home wiki, I
was never a very active or 'true' part of the Dutch editing community.
And when I quoted in my speeches from medieval quests or Prussian
literary realism, I received therefore some strange looks from some
members.

But I remain firmly convinced that good governance and respect have no
nationality. Indeed, stroopwafels do have, and so I adopted the Dutch
custom to bring them with me to Wikimedian meetings abroad.

Wikimedia Nederland has experienced and overcome a difficult period of
transition. Office space and employees, more members including more
members without Wikipedia background, more activities, more money,
more responsibility; more need for an association to mature and focus
on what is necessary (and not always easy, cool or fun). We achieved
that as a collective, slower than previously expected, but with the
appropriate pride and good feelings about the future.

Goodbye - and Hello: I am looking forward to see many of you again at
whatever wiki, chat or real life meeting.

Kind regards
Ziko

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Nederland


Dr. Ziko van Dijk

Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
Postbus 167
3500 AD Utrecht
http://wikimedia.nl


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Simon Knight]

The additional trustee is also talking so Jon's points stand.  It's great that 
Wikimania representatives will be there, and that a WMUK member will also be 
there as part of the FDC. However, while I certainly hope those individuals are 
happy to represent WMUK, they're really not relevant to your point - they are 
there for other (international movement) purposes and not funded by WMUK. 

Best
Simon

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On 31 March 2014 16:23, Jon Davies  wrote:
...
> For the record we have people going for four reasons:
>
>- CEO and Chair as standard
>- Two staff and one trustee who are invited to do presentations on areas
>of strength in the chapter.
>- Two trustees (we are guessing KR might actually be a misnamed Kate
>West) who will be using this as part of their induction as trustees - a
>great chance to meet other people and learn about the community.
>- Everyone can promote Wikimania London and learn about people's ideas
>and expectations.

I was going to step back from this, however a correction needs to be made here 
for the record, There are 8 people being funded not 7. Named as going are the 
CEO, 2 additional full time employees and 5 trustees representing Wikimedia UK 
at the conference.

This excludes two other active members of Wikimedia UK who are representing the 
London Wikimania Programme and a member of the FDC.

Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Jon Davies]

You are right - eight. as Chris is going as well. The reasons remain the
same.



On 31 March 2014 17:00, Fæ  wrote:

> On 31 March 2014 16:23, Jon Davies  wrote:
> ...
> > For the record we have people going for four reasons:
> >
> >- CEO and Chair as standard
> >- Two staff and one trustee who are invited to do presentations on
> areas
> >of strength in the chapter.
> >- Two trustees (we are guessing KR might actually be a misnamed Kate
> >West) who will be using this as part of their induction as trustees -
> a
> >great chance to meet other people and learn about the community.
> >- Everyone can promote Wikimania London and learn about people's ideas
> >and expectations.
>
> I was going to step back from this, however a correction needs to be
> made here for the record, There are 8 people being funded not 7. Named
> as going are the CEO, 2 additional full time employees and 5 trustees
> representing Wikimedia UK at the conference.
>
> This excludes two other active members of Wikimedia UK who are
> representing the London Wikimania Programme and a member of the FDC.
>
> Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Fæ]

On 31 March 2014 16:23, Jon Davies  wrote:
...
> For the record we have people going for four reasons:
>
>- CEO and Chair as standard
>- Two staff and one trustee who are invited to do presentations on areas
>of strength in the chapter.
>- Two trustees (we are guessing KR might actually be a misnamed Kate
>West) who will be using this as part of their induction as trustees - a
>great chance to meet other people and learn about the community.
>- Everyone can promote Wikimania London and learn about people's ideas
>and expectations.

I was going to step back from this, however a correction needs to be
made here for the record, There are 8 people being funded not 7. Named
as going are the CEO, 2 additional full time employees and 5 trustees
representing Wikimedia UK at the conference.

This excludes two other active members of Wikimedia UK who are
representing the London Wikimania Programme and a member of the FDC.

Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Jon Davies]

A few points.

There is no policy to restrict participation to three representatives.
Indeed, many chapters are sending more than three delegates as has been the
case in previous years.

For the record we have people going for four reasons:

   - CEO and Chair as standard
   - Two staff and one trustee who are invited to do presentations on areas
   of strength in the chapter.
   - Two trustees (we are guessing KR might actually be a misnamed Kate
   West) who will be using this as part of their induction as trustees - a
   great chance to meet other people and learn about the community.
   - Everyone can promote Wikimania London and learn about people's ideas
   and expectations.

I think this is a sensible use of our resources, (flights to Berlin are
cheaper than many train journeys to UK cities), supports our learning and
helps share our knowledge and understanding with other chapters.

And on a final point we will certainly not be going round in a sort of WMUK
gang trying to overwhelm small chapters - quite the opposite and I think we
have a good record at WMUK of supporting others.

*Regards, Jon Davies*


*CEO Wikimedia UK.*


On 31 March 2014 15:43, Russavia  wrote:

> Gerard, et al
>
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> wrote:
>
> >
> > My point is very much that it is for the chapter to decide if they
> > spend their money wisely. It is for members of a chapter to question this
> > at an appropriate time and at an appropriate place.
>
>
> Might I make a point here.
>
> It is not "their money", but rather the money of donors -- i.e. the general
> public -- who are every year told that Wikipedia needs your help to
> survive.
>
> The "movement", as you all like to refer to it, has a tendency to waste
> money on frivolous things such as travel and accommodation, as demonstrated
> last year by
> http://twkozlowski.net/how-40k-dollars-turned-to-petty-cash/and
> http://twkozlowski.net/saving-by-spending-according-to-affcom/
>
> The appropriate time to question such spending is BEFORE the funds is
> committed and spent. The place is unimportant, but here is as good as any.
>
> As a member of "the movement", Fae has every right to ask such questions,
> and I believe he also has the right to be able to ask such questions
> without snide remarks such as "Really Fae, as you are no longer the chair,
> why rule "from the grave"?" being thrown at him . Unfortunately, there is a
> tendency in "the movement" when legitimate questions are raised, for a
> committed movementarian to deflect from that questioning with snide
> attacks.
>
> Now, Fae has asked some legit questions of UK chapter, and it is only fair
> that they answer them.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Russavia]

Gerard, et al

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:

>
> My point is very much that it is for the chapter to decide if they
> spend their money wisely. It is for members of a chapter to question this
> at an appropriate time and at an appropriate place.


Might I make a point here.

It is not "their money", but rather the money of donors -- i.e. the general
public -- who are every year told that Wikipedia needs your help to survive.

The "movement", as you all like to refer to it, has a tendency to waste
money on frivolous things such as travel and accommodation, as demonstrated
last year by http://twkozlowski.net/how-40k-dollars-turned-to-petty-cash/and
http://twkozlowski.net/saving-by-spending-according-to-affcom/

The appropriate time to question such spending is BEFORE the funds is
committed and spent. The place is unimportant, but here is as good as any.

As a member of "the movement", Fae has every right to ask such questions,
and I believe he also has the right to be able to ask such questions
without snide remarks such as "Really Fae, as you are no longer the chair,
why rule "from the grave"?" being thrown at him . Unfortunately, there is a
tendency in "the movement" when legitimate questions are raised, for a
committed movementarian to deflect from that questioning with snide attacks.

Now, Fae has asked some legit questions of UK chapter, and it is only fair
that they answer them.

Cheers,

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Fæ]

On 31 March 2014 14:59, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:
...
> Really Fae, as you are no longer the chair, why rule "from the grave"?
> Thanks,

Thanks Gerard, I'll return to being dead and buried now.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [OFFLIST] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Chris Keating]

Just to be clear, there was no "only 2 representatives plus an ED" rule
mentioned in the registration process.

If there had been, then Wikimedia UK would have respected it.

Given that there wasn't, we thought it was useful to send more than 2
trustees, as we have many new Board members and it is important for them to
meet colleagues from other chapters and the WMF sooner rather than later!

Chris


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Fæ  wrote:

> Hi Cristian,
>
> Yes. I sort of expected WMDE to be the ones implementing the 2+1
> 'rule' and if there was to be any exceptions for this to be discussed
> before they added names to the registration page.
>
> Anyway, I've already posted quite a bit on this thread, so I'll step
> back a little - it's not like I'm even going myself. :-)
>
> Fae
>
> On 31 March 2014 14:45, Cristian Consonni  wrote:
> > 2014-03-31 11:47 GMT+02:00 Fæ :
> >> This seems to not be the case
> >> looking at the proposed attendee list[1] with the UK sending a massive
> >> party of 8 people (excluding Wikimania representatives), significantly
> >> larger than any other Chapter or Thorg.
> >
> > Well, the question then is "can WM-UK explain the rationale for
> > sending such a large representation?"
> >
> > C
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[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Fae what I object to is assuming going to a conference with " too big" a
delegation is a waste of money by definition. In your reply you mention *
you were a chair of the chapter and, * you do not know Katherine Ruth.
Given that you were the chair of the chapter, you should be happy new
people are joining the fray; it shows the chapter is vibrant and new people
join.

In WIkipedia there was a time when we had disdain for rules. I applaud this
sentiment; rules for rules sake is neither effective nor cost effective.

My point is very much that it is for the chapter to decide if they spend
their money wisely. It is for members of a chapter to question this at an
appropriate time and at an appropriate place. When other considerations
exist like agreements not to send too many people, then it is for the
people involved to address these issues.

Really Fae, as you are no longer the chair, why rule "from the grave"?
Thanks,
  GerardM


On 31 March 2014 15:36, Fæ  wrote:

> On 31 March 2014 14:08, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > When there is enough money to go around, efficacy should be the primary
> > consideration. When charitable funds are available and they are not spend
> > because of misplaced frugality, it is obvious to me that priorities are
> out
> > of kilter.
> >
> > Your second arguments makes more sense but also up to a point. When the
> > bigger chapters are more able to do what is right by all chapters, it
> means
> > that they should be present and listen more and impose less. When the
> > German chapter sends fewer people, it does not imply that what these
> people
> > have to say carries less weight. When fewer people mean that the existing
> > needs for us as a world community are not heard, it is not effective at
> > all. When people are effective at a conference and are the ones who
> decide
> > on how to move forward, where to spend money they should be at the
> > conferences where the combined efforts may be aligned.
> >
> > Money should only be a consideration when there is not enough and when it
> > is not spend effectively.
> > Thanks,
> >   GerardM
>
> Gerard, I am unclear if you believe that from the information
> available this appears to be an effective use of Wikimedia funds. For
> one chapter to break the rules and send significantly more
> representatives to this conference than the others when they are not
> even the host does not appear effective to my eyes, rather than
> "misplaced frugality".
>
> A rationale for a higher UK representatives might be that London is
> the host for Wikimania this year, however the attendees going for
> other reasons were excluded from the count of 8. From my quick check,
> there are actually 10 members of Wikimedia UK going to the conference.
>
> It is reasonable to assume that they are being funded to do so through
> Wikimedia funds, however as there are no complete open list I cannot
> check this fact.
>
> In addition we should take care to ensure appropriate transparency
> when using our funds. It is almost impossible to fully assess how many
> employees are attending in proportion to unpaid volunteers (which
> implies costs beyond travel and accommodation), or whether named
> representatives have any experience or interests in the Wikimedia
> projects, as many names are given no link or context. For example,
> being a past Chair of the chapter I am familiar with most people
> active in it, however, oddly, this is the first time I have seen the
> name Katherine Ruth published and there is no information available
> about her on the UK wiki.
>
> Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Bence Damokos]

Please note that this year the invitation to the conference states
"Organizations
who would like to send more than two persons will have to book and pay for
all their travel and accommodation themselves."  -
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014/Registration -
There is no more a blanket recommendation against sending more than two
people.

Nevertheless, a discussion on who should attend such a conference in
general, and if there is a specific goal WMUK is hoping to achieve this
year are still valid.

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[Fæ]

Hi Cristian,

Yes. I sort of expected WMDE to be the ones implementing the 2+1
'rule' and if there was to be any exceptions for this to be discussed
before they added names to the registration page.

Anyway, I've already posted quite a bit on this thread, so I'll step
back a little - it's not like I'm even going myself. :-)

Fae

On 31 March 2014 14:45, Cristian Consonni  wrote:
> 2014-03-31 11:47 GMT+02:00 Fæ :
>> This seems to not be the case
>> looking at the proposed attendee list[1] with the UK sending a massive
>> party of 8 people (excluding Wikimania representatives), significantly
>> larger than any other Chapter or Thorg.
>
> Well, the question then is "can WM-UK explain the rationale for
> sending such a large representation?"
>
> C
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[Cristian Consonni]

2014-03-31 11:47 GMT+02:00 Fæ :
> This seems to not be the case
> looking at the proposed attendee list[1] with the UK sending a massive
> party of 8 people (excluding Wikimania representatives), significantly
> larger than any other Chapter or Thorg.

Well, the question then is "can WM-UK explain the rationale for
sending such a large representation?"

C

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[Fæ]

On 31 March 2014 14:08, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:
> Hoi,
> When there is enough money to go around, efficacy should be the primary
> consideration. When charitable funds are available and they are not spend
> because of misplaced frugality, it is obvious to me that priorities are out
> of kilter.
>
> Your second arguments makes more sense but also up to a point. When the
> bigger chapters are more able to do what is right by all chapters, it means
> that they should be present and listen more and impose less. When the
> German chapter sends fewer people, it does not imply that what these people
> have to say carries less weight. When fewer people mean that the existing
> needs for us as a world community are not heard, it is not effective at
> all. When people are effective at a conference and are the ones who decide
> on how to move forward, where to spend money they should be at the
> conferences where the combined efforts may be aligned.
>
> Money should only be a consideration when there is not enough and when it
> is not spend effectively.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM

Gerard, I am unclear if you believe that from the information
available this appears to be an effective use of Wikimedia funds. For
one chapter to break the rules and send significantly more
representatives to this conference than the others when they are not
even the host does not appear effective to my eyes, rather than
"misplaced frugality".

A rationale for a higher UK representatives might be that London is
the host for Wikimania this year, however the attendees going for
other reasons were excluded from the count of 8. From my quick check,
there are actually 10 members of Wikimedia UK going to the conference.

It is reasonable to assume that they are being funded to do so through
Wikimedia funds, however as there are no complete open list I cannot
check this fact.

In addition we should take care to ensure appropriate transparency
when using our funds. It is almost impossible to fully assess how many
employees are attending in proportion to unpaid volunteers (which
implies costs beyond travel and accommodation), or whether named
representatives have any experience or interests in the Wikimedia
projects, as many names are given no link or context. For example,
being a past Chair of the chapter I am familiar with most people
active in it, however, oddly, this is the first time I have seen the
name Katherine Ruth published and there is no information available
about her on the UK wiki.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Itzik Edri]

I don't think the costs are the issue here, neither if there is streaming
or not (and I don't think we need to have one. It's WMCconf, not Wikimania).

But we have strict rule - two representatives, 3 if you have ED. I also saw
that some chapters have more than that, and I really don't know why. If
they are coming as speakers to one of the sessions - I hope their
participation and attending in the venue area will be limit only to this
session only (and then it will be really waste of money). This is also
relevant by the way (from my point of view) to WMDE staff/board that are
not part of conference staff.


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:

> Hoi,
> When there is enough money to go around, efficacy should be the primary
> consideration. When charitable funds are available and they are not spend
> because of misplaced frugality, it is obvious to me that priorities are out
> of kilter.
>
> Your second arguments makes more sense but also up to a point. When the
> bigger chapters are more able to do what is right by all chapters, it means
> that they should be present and listen more and impose less. When the
> German chapter sends fewer people, it does not imply that what these people
> have to say carries less weight. When fewer people mean that the existing
> needs for us as a world community are not heard, it is not effective at
> all. When people are effective at a conference and are the ones who decide
> on how to move forward, where to spend money they should be at the
> conferences where the combined efforts may be aligned.
>
> Money should only be a consideration when there is not enough and when it
> is not spend effectively.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
>
> On 31 March 2014 14:34, Fæ  wrote:
>
> > On 31 March 2014 12:02, Gerard Meijssen 
> wrote:
> > > Hoi,
> > > Video conferencing is ok-ish.. at best. It does not give you the
> > > opportunity that face to face communications gives you. It does not
> allow
> > > you to get through the fog of misunderstanding, Really, when the right
> > > people go for the right reasons, it pays its dividents.
> > >
> > > Cost is only one criteria to measure things by. What would you consider
> > as
> > > relevant for more people to go ?
> > > Thanks,
> > >  Gerard
> >
> > Yes absolute cost is only one measure, but should remain a primary one
> > when judging if the charitable funds of our movement are being spent
> > wisely.
> >
> > Another consideration is past concern from smaller chapters that this
> > meeting was being overwhelmed with the viewpoint of the larger and
> > better funded chapters that found it easiest to travel to Berlin, or
> > pay employees to attend. This is probably a reason why the German
> > chapter, compared to the UK chapter, is sending a relatively modest
> > number of people to represent their chapter at the conference they are
> > actually hosting.
> >
> > Fae
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[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
When there is enough money to go around, efficacy should be the primary
consideration. When charitable funds are available and they are not spend
because of misplaced frugality, it is obvious to me that priorities are out
of kilter.

Your second arguments makes more sense but also up to a point. When the
bigger chapters are more able to do what is right by all chapters, it means
that they should be present and listen more and impose less. When the
German chapter sends fewer people, it does not imply that what these people
have to say carries less weight. When fewer people mean that the existing
needs for us as a world community are not heard, it is not effective at
all. When people are effective at a conference and are the ones who decide
on how to move forward, where to spend money they should be at the
conferences where the combined efforts may be aligned.

Money should only be a consideration when there is not enough and when it
is not spend effectively.
Thanks,
  GerardM


On 31 March 2014 14:34, Fæ  wrote:

> On 31 March 2014 12:02, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > Video conferencing is ok-ish.. at best. It does not give you the
> > opportunity that face to face communications gives you. It does not allow
> > you to get through the fog of misunderstanding, Really, when the right
> > people go for the right reasons, it pays its dividents.
> >
> > Cost is only one criteria to measure things by. What would you consider
> as
> > relevant for more people to go ?
> > Thanks,
> >  Gerard
>
> Yes absolute cost is only one measure, but should remain a primary one
> when judging if the charitable funds of our movement are being spent
> wisely.
>
> Another consideration is past concern from smaller chapters that this
> meeting was being overwhelmed with the viewpoint of the larger and
> better funded chapters that found it easiest to travel to Berlin, or
> pay employees to attend. This is probably a reason why the German
> chapter, compared to the UK chapter, is sending a relatively modest
> number of people to represent their chapter at the conference they are
> actually hosting.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Fæ]

On 31 March 2014 12:02, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:
> Hoi,
> Video conferencing is ok-ish.. at best. It does not give you the
> opportunity that face to face communications gives you. It does not allow
> you to get through the fog of misunderstanding, Really, when the right
> people go for the right reasons, it pays its dividents.
>
> Cost is only one criteria to measure things by. What would you consider as
> relevant for more people to go ?
> Thanks,
>  Gerard

Yes absolute cost is only one measure, but should remain a primary one
when judging if the charitable funds of our movement are being spent
wisely.

Another consideration is past concern from smaller chapters that this
meeting was being overwhelmed with the viewpoint of the larger and
better funded chapters that found it easiest to travel to Berlin, or
pay employees to attend. This is probably a reason why the German
chapter, compared to the UK chapter, is sending a relatively modest
number of people to represent their chapter at the conference they are
actually hosting.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 1 week reminder: Wikimania 2014 - Call for Submissions

[Tomasz Ganicz]

I guess it is just a Q&A session with someone ready to answer
potentially difficult questions from the audience :-)



2014-03-31 11:38 GMT+02:00 Cristian Consonni :
> Hi all,
>
> I am probably missing some page somewhere but I would really like to
> know if there is adescription of the different formats for the
> presentations/submission, i.e. discussion, hot seat, panel,
> presentation, tutorial, workshop.
>
> In particular, what is the "hot seat" format?
> (besides that being August in London it will probably be "muggy seat" =P)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cristian
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 03/31/2014 08:23 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote:
> That seems niether all that surprising nor all that costly

Oh, D'oh!  Wrong conference!

Ignore me, and move along.  :-)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 03/31/2014 05:47 AM, Fæ wrote:
> with the UK sending a massive
> party of 8 people

That seems niether all that surprising nor all that costly; obviously
the cost of sending UK members to London will be considerably cheaper
than from anywhere else (and, indeed, some of those may well be local to
London reducing travel to nil) -- a rare opportunity for a local
movement to increase their participation.

Unless you are aware that the actual /cost/ of that delegation is
unreasonable, I would think that being able to have a larger party is,
in fact, desirable and wouldn't object to size for size's sake.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Video conferencing is ok-ish.. at best. It does not give you the
opportunity that face to face communications gives you. It does not allow
you to get through the fog of misunderstanding, Really, when the right
people go for the right reasons, it pays its dividents.

Cost is only one criteria to measure things by. What would you consider as
relevant for more people to go ?
Thanks,
 Gerard


On 31 March 2014 11:47, Fæ  wrote:

> Re: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014
>
> I had thought that to ensure the cost of the conference was kept to a
> healthy level that organizations would send no more than 2
> representatives plus one optional guest. This seems to not be the case
> looking at the proposed attendee list[1] with the UK sending a massive
> party of 8 people (excluding Wikimania representatives), significantly
> larger than any other Chapter or Thorg.
>
> Could we please be modest with the movement's money and than some of
> these proposed names are withdrawn? I propose setting an absolute
> maximum of 3 representatives from any chapter, thorg or user group and
> that is enforced rather than a vague guideline.
>
> There will be video conferencing available, costing the movement nothing.
>
> Links:
> 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014/Participants
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

[Fæ]

Re: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014

I had thought that to ensure the cost of the conference was kept to a
healthy level that organizations would send no more than 2
representatives plus one optional guest. This seems to not be the case
looking at the proposed attendee list[1] with the UK sending a massive
party of 8 people (excluding Wikimania representatives), significantly
larger than any other Chapter or Thorg.

Could we please be modest with the movement's money and than some of
these proposed names are withdrawn? I propose setting an absolute
maximum of 3 representatives from any chapter, thorg or user group and
that is enforced rather than a vague guideline.

There will be video conferencing available, costing the movement nothing.

Links:
1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014/Participants

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 1 week reminder: Wikimania 2014 – Call for Submissions

[Cristian Consonni]

Hi all,

I am probably missing some page somewhere but I would really like to
know if there is adescription of the different formats for the
presentations/submission, i.e. discussion, hot seat, panel,
presentation, tutorial, workshop.

In particular, what is the "hot seat" format?
(besides that being August in London it will probably be "muggy seat" =P)

Thanks,

Cristian

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Goodbye as the German president of the Dutch chapter

[Jan-Bart de Vreede]

Dear Ziko,

Let me take the opportunity to thank you for all the efforts over the past 
years. While we do not always agree on everything it was pleasure exchanging 
ideas with you and I felt that the leadership of the Dutch chapter was in great 
hands while you where the chair of the Dutch board. I am happy to see that some 
of your thinking behind the WCA has influenced other collaborations between 
chapters and thematic organisations. Wikimedia Netherlands has enjoyed three 
years of your leadership, and is so much the better for it!

Although some are expressing regret at seeing you go I am assuming that you are 
not going anywhere and that we will see you on the projects or maybe in some 
other volunteer role in the future. 

Jan-Bart de Vreede
Chair
Wikimedia Board of Trustees

PS: I do not envy your successor for having to fill your role during “speech 
time”. I enjoyed every one of your introductions and talks at conferences and 
will miss the sentence “welkom vrienden van vrije kennis”  (I hope I am quoting 
it accurately) and the always inspiring link to something “completely 
different” which turned out to not be so different after all :)



On 30 Mar 2014, at 19:59, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> Dear colleagues, collaborators and friends of free knowledge,
> 
> After three eventful years I left the board of Wikimedia Nederland;
> yesterday was the General Assembly in Utrecht. This means a 'goodbye'.
> 
> In this time, I had the privilege and pleasure to work with many great
> people in many different organisations. We saw a lot of small steps
> and some bigger ones directed to our common goal, the support of free
> knowledge. Certainly, not everything we as a movement or parts of the
> movement was achieved, though.
> 
> Between many WMNL members and me, there were two grades of separation:
> coming from the humanities, my geekiness differs a little from the
> average Wikipedianess; having the German Wikipedia as my home wiki, I
> was never a very active or 'true' part of the Dutch editing community.
> And when I quoted in my speeches from medieval quests or Prussian
> literary realism, I received therefore some strange looks from some
> members.
> 
> But I remain firmly convinced that good governance and respect have no
> nationality. Indeed, stroopwafels do have, and so I adopted the Dutch
> custom to bring them with me to Wikimedian meetings abroad.
> 
> Wikimedia Nederland has experienced and overcome a difficult period of
> transition. Office space and employees, more members including more
> members without Wikipedia background, more activities, more money,
> more responsibility; more need for an association to mature and focus
> on what is necessary (and not always easy, cool or fun). We achieved
> that as a collective, slower than previously expected, but with the
> appropriate pride and good feelings about the future.
> 
> Goodbye - and Hello: I am looking forward to see many of you again at
> whatever wiki, chat or real life meeting.
> 
> Kind regards
> Ziko
> 
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Nederland
> 
> 
> Dr. Ziko van Dijk
> 
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> 3500 AD Utrecht
> http://wikimedia.nl
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Goodbye as the German president of the Dutch chapter

[Itzik Edri]

Thank you Ziko for your huge contribution to WMNL, to the chapters, and to
the movement in general.

בהצלחה (Good luck) on whatever you going to do next.


On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote:

> Dear colleagues, collaborators and friends of free knowledge,
>
> After three eventful years I left the board of Wikimedia Nederland;
> yesterday was the General Assembly in Utrecht. This means a 'goodbye'.
>
> In this time, I had the privilege and pleasure to work with many great
> people in many different organisations. We saw a lot of small steps
> and some bigger ones directed to our common goal, the support of free
> knowledge. Certainly, not everything we as a movement or parts of the
> movement was achieved, though.
>
> Between many WMNL members and me, there were two grades of separation:
> coming from the humanities, my geekiness differs a little from the
> average Wikipedianess; having the German Wikipedia as my home wiki, I
> was never a very active or 'true' part of the Dutch editing community.
> And when I quoted in my speeches from medieval quests or Prussian
> literary realism, I received therefore some strange looks from some
> members.
>
> But I remain firmly convinced that good governance and respect have no
> nationality. Indeed, stroopwafels do have, and so I adopted the Dutch
> custom to bring them with me to Wikimedian meetings abroad.
>
> Wikimedia Nederland has experienced and overcome a difficult period of
> transition. Office space and employees, more members including more
> members without Wikipedia background, more activities, more money,
> more responsibility; more need for an association to mature and focus
> on what is necessary (and not always easy, cool or fun). We achieved
> that as a collective, slower than previously expected, but with the
> appropriate pride and good feelings about the future.
>
> Goodbye - and Hello: I am looking forward to see many of you again at
> whatever wiki, chat or real life meeting.
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Nederland
>
>
> 
> Dr. Ziko van Dijk
>
> Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
> Postbus 167
> 3500 AD Utrecht
> http://wikimedia.nl
>
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Goodbye as the German president of the Dutch chapter

[Craig Franklin]

Ziko,

Although as Presidents of chapters located on the opposite sides of the
world I never had that much to do with you, when I *did* have cause to
interact I always found you unfailingly polite, approachable, and
unfailingly dedicated to our shared mission.  Thankyou for your service,
and I wish you all the very best in your future endeavours.

Cheers,
Craig Franklin


On 31 March 2014 03:59, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> Dear colleagues, collaborators and friends of free knowledge,
>
> After three eventful years I left the board of Wikimedia Nederland;
> yesterday was the General Assembly in Utrecht. This means a 'goodbye'.
>
> In this time, I had the privilege and pleasure to work with many great
> people in many different organisations. We saw a lot of small steps
> and some bigger ones directed to our common goal, the support of free
> knowledge. Certainly, not everything we as a movement or parts of the
> movement was achieved, though.
>
> Between many WMNL members and me, there were two grades of separation:
> coming from the humanities, my geekiness differs a little from the
> average Wikipedianess; having the German Wikipedia as my home wiki, I
> was never a very active or 'true' part of the Dutch editing community.
> And when I quoted in my speeches from medieval quests or Prussian
> literary realism, I received therefore some strange looks from some
> members.
>
> But I remain firmly convinced that good governance and respect have no
> nationality. Indeed, stroopwafels do have, and so I adopted the Dutch
> custom to bring them with me to Wikimedian meetings abroad.
>
> Wikimedia Nederland has experienced and overcome a difficult period of
> transition. Office space and employees, more members including more
> members without Wikipedia background, more activities, more money,
> more responsibility; more need for an association to mature and focus
> on what is necessary (and not always easy, cool or fun). We achieved
> that as a collective, slower than previously expected, but with the
> appropriate pride and good feelings about the future.
>
> Goodbye - and Hello: I am looking forward to see many of you again at
> whatever wiki, chat or real life meeting.
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Nederland
>
>
> 
> Dr. Ziko van Dijk
>
> Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
> Postbus 167
> 3500 AD Utrecht
> http://wikimedia.nl
>
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Goodbye as the German president of the Dutch chapter

[Charles Gregory]

Farewell and good luck Ziko!  You have the dubious notability of being the
first Wikimedian I met outside my home country!  Hopefully you'll still be
active in the community and I'll see you around again!

Charles / User:Chuq
Hobart, Australia



On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Jon Davies wrote:

> Very sad to hear this - you have done so well. Hie to see you in London.
>
>
> On 30 March 2014 18:59, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:
>
> > Dear colleagues, collaborators and friends of free knowledge,
> >
> > After three eventful years I left the board of Wikimedia Nederland;
> > yesterday was the General Assembly in Utrecht. This means a 'goodbye'.
> >
> > In this time, I had the privilege and pleasure to work with many great
> > people in many different organisations. We saw a lot of small steps
> > and some bigger ones directed to our common goal, the support of free
> > knowledge. Certainly, not everything we as a movement or parts of the
> > movement was achieved, though.
> >
> > Between many WMNL members and me, there were two grades of separation:
> > coming from the humanities, my geekiness differs a little from the
> > average Wikipedianess; having the German Wikipedia as my home wiki, I
> > was never a very active or 'true' part of the Dutch editing community.
> > And when I quoted in my speeches from medieval quests or Prussian
> > literary realism, I received therefore some strange looks from some
> > members.
> >
> > But I remain firmly convinced that good governance and respect have no
> > nationality. Indeed, stroopwafels do have, and so I adopted the Dutch
> > custom to bring them with me to Wikimedian meetings abroad.
> >
> > Wikimedia Nederland has experienced and overcome a difficult period of
> > transition. Office space and employees, more members including more
> > members without Wikipedia background, more activities, more money,
> > more responsibility; more need for an association to mature and focus
> > on what is necessary (and not always easy, cool or fun). We achieved
> > that as a collective, slower than previously expected, but with the
> > appropriate pride and good feelings about the future.
> >
> > Goodbye - and Hello: I am looking forward to see many of you again at
> > whatever wiki, chat or real life meeting.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Ziko
> >
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Nederland
> >
> >
> >
> 
> > Dr. Ziko van Dijk
> >
> > Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
> > Postbus 167
> > 3500 AD Utrecht
> > http://wikimedia.nl
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Goodbye as the German president of the Dutch chapter

[Jon Davies]

Very sad to hear this - you have done so well. Hie to see you in London.


On 30 March 2014 18:59, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> Dear colleagues, collaborators and friends of free knowledge,
>
> After three eventful years I left the board of Wikimedia Nederland;
> yesterday was the General Assembly in Utrecht. This means a 'goodbye'.
>
> In this time, I had the privilege and pleasure to work with many great
> people in many different organisations. We saw a lot of small steps
> and some bigger ones directed to our common goal, the support of free
> knowledge. Certainly, not everything we as a movement or parts of the
> movement was achieved, though.
>
> Between many WMNL members and me, there were two grades of separation:
> coming from the humanities, my geekiness differs a little from the
> average Wikipedianess; having the German Wikipedia as my home wiki, I
> was never a very active or 'true' part of the Dutch editing community.
> And when I quoted in my speeches from medieval quests or Prussian
> literary realism, I received therefore some strange looks from some
> members.
>
> But I remain firmly convinced that good governance and respect have no
> nationality. Indeed, stroopwafels do have, and so I adopted the Dutch
> custom to bring them with me to Wikimedian meetings abroad.
>
> Wikimedia Nederland has experienced and overcome a difficult period of
> transition. Office space and employees, more members including more
> members without Wikipedia background, more activities, more money,
> more responsibility; more need for an association to mature and focus
> on what is necessary (and not always easy, cool or fun). We achieved
> that as a collective, slower than previously expected, but with the
> appropriate pride and good feelings about the future.
>
> Goodbye - and Hello: I am looking forward to see many of you again at
> whatever wiki, chat or real life meeting.
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Nederland
>
>
> 
> Dr. Ziko van Dijk
>
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>
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