Re: [Wikimedia-l] Joint office Jakarta - Wikimedia Indonesia, HOT Open Street Map, and World Wide Web Foundation
Hi Pine, We'd be happy to share about our collaboration with HOT-OSM here in Indonesia. Cheers, On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Isabella. I might want to talk with you or someone else at Wikimedia Indonesia about the relationship of the chapter to OpenStreetMap more in the future. OpenStreetMap is active in what I am hoping will become Wikimedia Cascadia territory and we have already made first contact with one of the OSM organizers. It might also be nice to hear from WMF about how their plans for improving mapping functions in the next fiscal year could tie into work with OpenStreetMap. Maybe someone could organize an office hour about the roadmap for location tools. I'm also sending this email to Quim Gil to see if an office hour is feasible. Pine On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Isabella Apriyana isabella.apriy...@wikimedia.or.id wrote: Hi Pine, Every organization has their own administrative staff. WMID only has project-based paid staff and the rest are volunteers, while other organizations have full time paid-staff. While for programs, WMID and HOT-OSM just recently secured a grant from Make All Voices Count [1] to conduct local open content mapping and encyclopedia writing in Kalimantan, a generally remote and underdeveloped area in Indonesia. Cheers, Isabella Ref: [1] http://www.makingallvoicescount.org/project/open-content-in-kalimantan-wikipedia-openstreetmap-for-transparency/ . On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, I like hearing about collaborations like this! We are working on collaborations with other open source groups here in United States Cascadia also. (The existence of our Cascadia group is pending approval from Affcom.) In addition to sharing a building, are you sharing administrative staff or other resources? What programmatic collaborations are you developing? Thanks, Pine On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 7:08 AM, Nurunnaby Chowdhury n...@nhasive.com wrote: Congratulation Wikimedia Indonesia! -- Nurunnaby Chowdhury | @nhasive Sysop, Bengali Wikipedia | User: Nhasive Member, IEG, WMF Sent from my iPhone device On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-06-23 13:28 GMT+02:00 Tonmoy Khan tonmoy...@gmail.com: Congratulations to WMID. Wish you do wonderful activities from your new address :) Go WM-ID! Go! Congrats! Cristian ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Isabella Apriyana* *Wakil Sekretaris Jendral* *(Deputy Secretary General)Wikimedia Indonesia* Seluler +628889752858/ +6281213700084 Surel isabella.apriy...@wikimedia.or.id Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan! http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi Support us to free the knowledge! http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Isabella Apriyana* *Wakil Sekretaris Jendral* *(Deputy Secretary General)Wikimedia Indonesia* Seluler +628889752858/ +6281213700084 Surel isabella.apriy...@wikimedia.or.id Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan! http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi Support
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapters and GLAM tooling
Similarly to what you are describing, Micru, BeWelcome has a process to identify issues and resolve them in a community discussion. It’s a sort of communal product specification/design. The process looks like: [1] 1/ firstly, community members can submit issues or product ideas, 2/ secondly, there is a discussion with proposed resolutions, 3/ thirdly, a vote between the various proposed resolutions, 4/ lastly, the development phase itself. Although we have some sort of such process (Idea lab, RFC, mailing lists, bug tracker, MediaWiki.org), it’s not as easy to find where are the ideas of products, where are the development of these ideas, and where and how you can give your voice to influence the path of the development. Personally I like a lot the BeWelcome process (and it’s a non-technical member who presented me that), and I find you could reuse it in Wikimedia, probably in a customized form, and with short and intuitive product ideas and resolutions (avoid too long pages at first sight). [1] https://www.bewelcome.org/suggestions/about ~ Seb35 Le mardi 26 juin 2014 15:12:03 (CEST), David Cuenca a écrit : Erik (and others), is there any coordination page where groups could place, take, or discuss requests for development or requests for maintenance? I saw often that sometimes the hard-to-achieve consensus is found, but there is no way to evaluate the idea further. What now happens is: - several development proposals materialize through different channels (community, user groups, idea lab, RFCs, etc) - there is a general consensus about project A - limbo or an IEG, but as Ilario says, that doesn't guarantee its future viability or integration with current or planned workflows, or availability of resources for maintenance It would be more rational to have a further step in the pipeline where development ideas could be commented, shot down, or approved for further commitment by the ones who actually can understand how they fit in the broader product management/life-cycle context (engineering? PMs? chapters?). There are often community ideas that on first sight look great, but when you think about the potential problems, implications, costs, or stepping on the toes of other developments, that it is more rational not to start them or delay them until certain conditions are met. But no voice is heard, and that causes frustration and a sense of disconnection in the community, when just a single statement this shouldn't be done because X, would make everyone more aware of the limits. And the opposite too, when some idea gather community support and is green-lighted for further commitment, that would make chapters or other organizations more confident about what is wanted and how. Micru On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:54 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi folks, At the Zurich Hackathon, I met with a couple of folks from WM-CH who were interested in talking about ways that chapters can get involved in engineering/product development, similar to WM-DE's work on Wikidata. My recommendation to them was to consider working on GLAM-related tooling. This includes helping improve some of the reporting tools currently running in Labs (primarily developed by the illustrious and wonderful Magnus Manske in his spare time), but also meeting other requirements identified by the GLAM community [1] and potentially helping with the development of more complex MediaWiki-integrated tools like the GLAMWiki-Toolset. There's work that only WMF is well positioned to do (like feeding all media view data into Hadoop and providing generalized reports and APIs), but a lot of work in the aforementioned categories could be done by any chapter and could easily be scaled up from 1 to 2 to 3 FTEs and beyond as warranted. That's because a lot of the tools are separate from MediaWiki, so code review and integration requirements are lower, and it's easier for technically proficient folks to help. In short, I think this could provide a nice on-ramp for a chapter or chapters to support the work of volunteers in the cultural sector with appropriate technology. This availability of appropriate technology is clearly increasingly a distinguishing factor for Wikimedia relative to more commercial offerings in its appeal to the cultural sector. At the same time, WMF itself doesn't currently prioritize work with the cultural sector very highly, which I think is appropriate given all the other problems we have to solve. So if this kind of work has to compete for attention with much more basic improvements to say the uploading pipeline or the editing tools, it's going to lose. Therefore I think having a cultural tooling team or teams in the larger movement would be appropriate. I've not heard back from WM-CH yet on this, but I also don't think it's an exclusive suggestion, so wanted to put the idea in people's heads in case other organizations in the movement want to help with it. I do want WMF
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: So what is your proposal for how to effectively curate the firehose of good and bad content that is uploaded to Commons day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute? Hi Pete, I would generally advocate for the following: - more emphasis on education and positive communication in cases of good faith, constructive behavior; - more tolerance for ambiguity regarding files in the collection (e.g. when the legal situation is truly ambiguous), and more use of tagging over deletion; - software which supports all of the above effectively. Some of this is easier to act on. For example, the threshold at which we decide to delete (rather than wait, or tag) is one which we can modify. The templates we use for communication purposes are easy to edit to be friendly or specific. Software is slower to build, but we should definitely keep in mind what the ideal curation tools should look like, as well, so we can plan on where we situate it in the longer term roadmap of development efforts. I do believe, though, that a lot of this conversation should ideally take place on Wikimedia Commons itself. These types of threads illustrate that there's a lot of real frustration in the larger community today. I would encourage folks who want to see Commons become a friendlier, more positive environment to not give up, but to advocate for changes to practices and policies on Commons itself, including in deletion discussions and policy debates. I don't think setting up a new site is likely to be the answer, though if someone wants to draft a clearer proposal for how such a site would work, this list is certainly one appropriate forum to discuss it. Erik ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
