Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog network?

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

David Cuenca, 12/09/2014 14:00:
> However it is hard to
> navigate from blog to blog to discover what is going on at each chapter.

There is http://www.chaptersplanet.org/
The Planet is linked from the Meta-Wiki sidebar so it certainly is "the
place".

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog network?

[Michael Peel]

I think there’s two options:
- http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ (which Richard mentioned) is for more for 
individual wikimedians
- http://chaptersplanet.org is more for all of the Wikimedia organisations.

Thanks,
Mike

On 12 Sep 2014, at 13:43, David Cuenca  wrote:

> It looks like a great homage to GeoCities :)  But if that's the place, then
> it should be linked from all official blogs.
> 
> Thanks,
> Micru
> 
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Richard Symonds <
> richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
> 
>> I think they use http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ for that purpose.
>> 
>> It's, ahh,  "not ideal".
>> 
>> Richard Symonds
>> Wikimedia UK
>> 0207 065 0992
>> 
>> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
>> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
>> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
>> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
>> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
>> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>> 
>> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
>> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>> 
>> On 12 September 2014 13:00, David Cuenca  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It is nice that there are several official blogs. However it is hard to
>>> navigate from blog to blog to discover what is going on at each chapter.
>>> 
>>> Would it make sense to link to all official blogs from
>>> http://blog.wikimedia.org/ ?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[Leigh Thelmadatter]

For what its worth, I just added another 2 cents over at 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Future_of_the_Wikimedia_Conference



> From: e...@wikimanialondon.org
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:58:00 +0100
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015
> 
> The name of a conference is typically a descriptor of the contents of the
> programme rather than of the attendees :)
> 
> *Edward Saperia*
> Conference Director Wikimania London 
> email  • facebook
>  • twitter
>  • 07796955572
> 133-135 Bethnal Green Road, E2 7DG
> 
> On 12 September 2014 13:49, Ilario Valdelli  wrote:
> 
> > It's not the word Conference, is the word Wikimedia that address people to
> > consider it as an event for the Wikimedia movement.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Chris Keating  > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The word "Conference" doesn't in itself imply that an event is open or
> > > closed.
> > >
> > > C
> > > On 12 Sep 2014 13:06, "Ilario Valdelli"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > But Wikimania is not only a Wikimedia Conference.
> > > >
> > > > It's a conference open to all people outside the Wikimedia movement.
> > > >
> > > > If the name should be as much as possible "explicative", the switch
> > from
> > > > Wikimania to Wikimedia Conference is inappropriate.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Wil Sinclair  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We can be both more sensible and sensitive by calling this conference
> > > > > something else. As has been suggested, Wikimedia Conference (maybe
> > > > > WikiCon for short) would be more appropriate.
> > > > >
> > > > > ,Wil
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Ilario Valdelli  > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I would really appreciate if the discussion can move in other
> > > questions
> > > > > > concerning for instance the cost saving and the participation
> > instead
> > > > of
> > > > > > speaking of a name.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ilario Valdelli
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> > > > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich
> > > > Wikipedia: Ilario 
> > > > Skype: valdelli
> > > > Facebook: Ilario Valdelli 
> > > > Twitter: Ilario Valdelli 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[Edward Saperia]

The name of a conference is typically a descriptor of the contents of the
programme rather than of the attendees :)

*Edward Saperia*
Conference Director Wikimania London 
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 • twitter
 • 07796955572
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On 12 September 2014 13:49, Ilario Valdelli  wrote:

> It's not the word Conference, is the word Wikimedia that address people to
> consider it as an event for the Wikimedia movement.
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Chris Keating  >
> wrote:
>
> > The word "Conference" doesn't in itself imply that an event is open or
> > closed.
> >
> > C
> > On 12 Sep 2014 13:06, "Ilario Valdelli"  wrote:
> >
> > > But Wikimania is not only a Wikimedia Conference.
> > >
> > > It's a conference open to all people outside the Wikimedia movement.
> > >
> > > If the name should be as much as possible "explicative", the switch
> from
> > > Wikimania to Wikimedia Conference is inappropriate.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Wil Sinclair  wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We can be both more sensible and sensitive by calling this conference
> > > > something else. As has been suggested, Wikimedia Conference (maybe
> > > > WikiCon for short) would be more appropriate.
> > > >
> > > > ,Wil
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Ilario Valdelli  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I would really appreciate if the discussion can move in other
> > questions
> > > > > concerning for instance the cost saving and the participation
> instead
> > > of
> > > > > speaking of a name.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ilario Valdelli
> > > Wikimedia CH
> > > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
> > > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre
> > > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera
> > > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich
> > > Wikipedia: Ilario 
> > > Skype: valdelli
> > > Facebook: Ilario Valdelli 
> > > Twitter: Ilario Valdelli 
> > > Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli <
> > http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469
> > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[Ilario Valdelli]

It's not the word Conference, is the word Wikimedia that address people to
consider it as an event for the Wikimedia movement.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Chris Keating 
wrote:

> The word "Conference" doesn't in itself imply that an event is open or
> closed.
>
> C
> On 12 Sep 2014 13:06, "Ilario Valdelli"  wrote:
>
> > But Wikimania is not only a Wikimedia Conference.
> >
> > It's a conference open to all people outside the Wikimedia movement.
> >
> > If the name should be as much as possible "explicative", the switch from
> > Wikimania to Wikimedia Conference is inappropriate.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Wil Sinclair  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > We can be both more sensible and sensitive by calling this conference
> > > something else. As has been suggested, Wikimedia Conference (maybe
> > > WikiCon for short) would be more appropriate.
> > >
> > > ,Wil
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Ilario Valdelli 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would really appreciate if the discussion can move in other
> questions
> > > > concerning for instance the cost saving and the participation instead
> > of
> > > > speaking of a name.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Ilario Valdelli
> > Wikimedia CH
> > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
> > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre
> > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera
> > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich
> > Wikipedia: Ilario 
> > Skype: valdelli
> > Facebook: Ilario Valdelli 
> > Twitter: Ilario Valdelli 
> > Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli <
> http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[Chris Keating]

The word "Conference" doesn't in itself imply that an event is open or
closed.

C
On 12 Sep 2014 13:06, "Ilario Valdelli"  wrote:

> But Wikimania is not only a Wikimedia Conference.
>
> It's a conference open to all people outside the Wikimedia movement.
>
> If the name should be as much as possible "explicative", the switch from
> Wikimania to Wikimedia Conference is inappropriate.
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Wil Sinclair  wrote:
>
> >
> > We can be both more sensible and sensitive by calling this conference
> > something else. As has been suggested, Wikimedia Conference (maybe
> > WikiCon for short) would be more appropriate.
> >
> > ,Wil
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Ilario Valdelli 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I would really appreciate if the discussion can move in other questions
> > > concerning for instance the cost saving and the participation instead
> of
> > > speaking of a name.
> >
> >
>
> --
> Ilario Valdelli
> Wikimedia CH
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> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre
> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera
> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich
> Wikipedia: Ilario 
> Skype: valdelli
> Facebook: Ilario Valdelli 
> Twitter: Ilario Valdelli 
> Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli  >
> Tel: +41764821371
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog network?

[David Cuenca]

It looks like a great homage to GeoCities :)  But if that's the place, then
it should be linked from all official blogs.

Thanks,
Micru

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Richard Symonds <
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> I think they use http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ for that purpose.
>
> It's, ahh,  "not ideal".
>
> Richard Symonds
> Wikimedia UK
> 0207 065 0992
>
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>
> On 12 September 2014 13:00, David Cuenca  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > It is nice that there are several official blogs. However it is hard to
> > navigate from blog to blog to discover what is going on at each chapter.
> >
> > Would it make sense to link to all official blogs from
> > http://blog.wikimedia.org/ ?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog network?

[Richard Symonds]

I think they use http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ for that purpose.

It's, ahh,  "not ideal".

Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
0207 065 0992

Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

On 12 September 2014 13:00, David Cuenca  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It is nice that there are several official blogs. However it is hard to
> navigate from blog to blog to discover what is going on at each chapter.
>
> Would it make sense to link to all official blogs from
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/ ?
>
> Cheers,
> Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[Ilario Valdelli]

But Wikimania is not only a Wikimedia Conference.

It's a conference open to all people outside the Wikimedia movement.

If the name should be as much as possible "explicative", the switch from
Wikimania to Wikimedia Conference is inappropriate.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Wil Sinclair  wrote:

>
> We can be both more sensible and sensitive by calling this conference
> something else. As has been suggested, Wikimedia Conference (maybe
> WikiCon for short) would be more appropriate.
>
> ,Wil
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Ilario Valdelli 
> wrote:
>
> > I would really appreciate if the discussion can move in other questions
> > concerning for instance the cost saving and the participation instead of
> > speaking of a name.
>
>

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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog network?

[David Cuenca]

Hi,

It is nice that there are several official blogs. However it is hard to
navigate from blog to blog to discover what is going on at each chapter.

Would it make sense to link to all official blogs from
http://blog.wikimedia.org/ ?

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[John Mark Vandenberg]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Wil Sinclair  wrote:
> Actually, I'd like to speak up on the name.
>
> I imagine the name reflected the enthusiasm of its first attendees,
> but "Wikimania" has all the wrong connotations in today's world. True
> mania is marked by little control, commitment, and rest. It also
> implies that attendees have to be dyed-in-the-wool, unquestioning, and
> supremely devoted editors. I hope that's not the case. I doubt it's
> more welcoming for highly enthusiastic beginners, but it might
> convince casual editors who are more interested in the topics covered
> in our articles than the project itself that it's not for them.
>
> Moreover, mania is no joke. Some people suffer greatly from disorders
> like bipolar depression. We wouldn't call a conference WikiADHD (which
> is, as I have been very public about, something I suffer from). It's
> uncool to make light of it in any way, even when unintended.
>
> We can be both more sensible and sensitive by calling this conference
> something else. As has been suggested, Wikimedia Conference (maybe
> WikiCon for short) would be more appropriate.

+1

please.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[Wil Sinclair]

Actually, I'd like to speak up on the name.

I imagine the name reflected the enthusiasm of its first attendees,
but "Wikimania" has all the wrong connotations in today's world. True
mania is marked by little control, commitment, and rest. It also
implies that attendees have to be dyed-in-the-wool, unquestioning, and
supremely devoted editors. I hope that's not the case. I doubt it's
more welcoming for highly enthusiastic beginners, but it might
convince casual editors who are more interested in the topics covered
in our articles than the project itself that it's not for them.

Moreover, mania is no joke. Some people suffer greatly from disorders
like bipolar depression. We wouldn't call a conference WikiADHD (which
is, as I have been very public about, something I suffer from). It's
uncool to make light of it in any way, even when unintended.

We can be both more sensible and sensitive by calling this conference
something else. As has been suggested, Wikimedia Conference (maybe
WikiCon for short) would be more appropriate.

,Wil

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Ilario Valdelli  wrote:

> I would really appreciate if the discussion can move in other questions
> concerning for instance the cost saving and the participation instead of
> speaking of a name.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[Ilario Valdelli]

What I have said is simple.

Wikimania does its own job. A second Wikimania doesn't make sense.

Regional and thematic are important and can help a support the movement.

Regional conferences collect people around a region or continent and there
is no obligation to speak English (Iberoconf is an example).

Are they efficient? Yes, they are efficient because they help to keep the
link with local people not fluent in English.

Thematic conferences help to focus in a theme, so there is all advantages
of Wikimania.

Are they efficient? Yes, they are because people can focus on a theme which
can be GLAM or affiliations and so on.

A big annual event (Wikimania) with a series of local and thematic
"Wikimedia Conferences" is the best compromise in terms of costs and
efficiency.

Being in Wikimedia movement from 2005 I have seen every year discussions
like this but every year a big Wikimania and a series of smaller
conferences.

Probably it works.

I would really appreciate if the discussion can move in other questions
concerning for instance the cost saving and the participation instead of
speaking of a name.


On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Pine W  wrote:

> Regional conferences are easier to attend for the locals, but...
>
> * There would be less mixing of people and thematic organizations from
> different regions
> * WMF's travel costs would skyrocket if it tried to send the same number of
> people to several regional events, and WMF would also likely have
> significant duplication of effort and need to invest a lot more of its
> staff time attending diverse conferences.
>
> Regional conferences can certainly happen, but they would be less efficient
> and effective if their goal is to have cross-pollination of ideas among
> thematic organizations and WMF. A smaller number of conferences would be
> more efficient.
>
> Perhaps a happy medium between having lots of regional conferences and a
> smaller number of international conferences would be to hold several
> regional conferences simultaneously and invest in some excellent
> teleconferencing hardware and high-speed internet bandwidth so that it's
> possible for participants in multiple locations to virtually participate in
> the same meetings. However, there would be a significant up-front
> investment in hardware and the bandwidth costs might be substantial, so I'm
> not sure how cost-effective this would be.
>
> Pine
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Ilario Valdelli 
> wrote:
>
> > Wikimedia is a community of communities.
> >
> > So basically Wikimania can be the unique Wikimedia Conference.
> >
> > But we can come back to the first question. Would we really have a second
> > Wikimania in the first quarter of any year because the name Wikimedia
> > Conference should exclude no one?
> >
> > Would we really have a second big event calling people from all the world
> > and spending a lot of time in the organization and setup?
> >
> > Or probably the best solution would be several (less expensive) regional
> > and thematic conferences called "Wikimedia conference X"? Where people
> > coming will focus on a thematic agenda?
> >
> > There is no problem in my opinion to close the discussion saying that
> > Wikimedia Conference is a name released in cc-by-sa 3.0 and people can
> use
> > it and redistribute it and modify it.
> >
> > So the Wikimedia Conference as is can become "Wikimedia Conferences 2015
> > for affiliated", and there may be "Wikimedia Conference 2015 for Asia"
> and
> > "Wikimedia Conference 2015 for GLAM" and so on.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Risker  wrote:
> >
> > > On 11 September 2014 22:07, Charles Gregory 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > ... but the conference has been running for a few years, and has
> > > gradually
> > > > evolved over that time, from primarily chapters, to other affiliate
> > > > organisations, AffCom itself, FDC in recent years, etc.  I don't
> think
> > > > anyone is suggesting any revolutionary changes for the next one?
> Just
> > a
> > > > change in name to suit the current audience.
> > > >
> > > > What's the problem with the name "Wikimedia" being used?  It is,
> after
> > > all,
> > > > a conference involving Wikimedians.  It appears the main complaint is
> > the
> > > > over-generic title "Wikimedia Conference".
> > > >
> > > > Charles (User:Chuq)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > You are correct, Chuq.  "Wikimedia" by itself is the entire movement.
> > It's
> > > not a subgroup of the movement, which is what the chapters and
> affiliated
> > > organizations are as a group.  We don't call the hackathons "Wikimedia
> > > Conference", nor do we call the diversity conferences "Wikimedia
> > > Conference", yet arguably they are even more representative of
> Wikimedia
> > > (the movement) than this particular conference is; while attendees are
> > > largely self-selected, they are open to anyone who has the means and
> will
> > > to attend. What's been known in the past as the "Wikimedia Conference"
> is
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[Philippe Beaudette]

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Lodewijk 
wrote:

> I suggest we use 'the Oompa Loompa discussion meeting' and
> be done with it.
>

Ah, but what COLOR are the oompa loompas?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[Pine W]

Regional conferences are easier to attend for the locals, but...

* There would be less mixing of people and thematic organizations from
different regions
* WMF's travel costs would skyrocket if it tried to send the same number of
people to several regional events, and WMF would also likely have
significant duplication of effort and need to invest a lot more of its
staff time attending diverse conferences.

Regional conferences can certainly happen, but they would be less efficient
and effective if their goal is to have cross-pollination of ideas among
thematic organizations and WMF. A smaller number of conferences would be
more efficient.

Perhaps a happy medium between having lots of regional conferences and a
smaller number of international conferences would be to hold several
regional conferences simultaneously and invest in some excellent
teleconferencing hardware and high-speed internet bandwidth so that it's
possible for participants in multiple locations to virtually participate in
the same meetings. However, there would be a significant up-front
investment in hardware and the bandwidth costs might be substantial, so I'm
not sure how cost-effective this would be.

Pine

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Ilario Valdelli  wrote:

> Wikimedia is a community of communities.
>
> So basically Wikimania can be the unique Wikimedia Conference.
>
> But we can come back to the first question. Would we really have a second
> Wikimania in the first quarter of any year because the name Wikimedia
> Conference should exclude no one?
>
> Would we really have a second big event calling people from all the world
> and spending a lot of time in the organization and setup?
>
> Or probably the best solution would be several (less expensive) regional
> and thematic conferences called "Wikimedia conference X"? Where people
> coming will focus on a thematic agenda?
>
> There is no problem in my opinion to close the discussion saying that
> Wikimedia Conference is a name released in cc-by-sa 3.0 and people can use
> it and redistribute it and modify it.
>
> So the Wikimedia Conference as is can become "Wikimedia Conferences 2015
> for affiliated", and there may be "Wikimedia Conference 2015 for Asia" and
> "Wikimedia Conference 2015 for GLAM" and so on.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Risker  wrote:
>
> > On 11 September 2014 22:07, Charles Gregory  wrote:
> >
> > > ... but the conference has been running for a few years, and has
> > gradually
> > > evolved over that time, from primarily chapters, to other affiliate
> > > organisations, AffCom itself, FDC in recent years, etc.  I don't think
> > > anyone is suggesting any revolutionary changes for the next one?  Just
> a
> > > change in name to suit the current audience.
> > >
> > > What's the problem with the name "Wikimedia" being used?  It is, after
> > all,
> > > a conference involving Wikimedians.  It appears the main complaint is
> the
> > > over-generic title "Wikimedia Conference".
> > >
> > > Charles (User:Chuq)
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You are correct, Chuq.  "Wikimedia" by itself is the entire movement.
> It's
> > not a subgroup of the movement, which is what the chapters and affiliated
> > organizations are as a group.  We don't call the hackathons "Wikimedia
> > Conference", nor do we call the diversity conferences "Wikimedia
> > Conference", yet arguably they are even more representative of Wikimedia
> > (the movement) than this particular conference is; while attendees are
> > largely self-selected, they are open to anyone who has the means and will
> > to attend. What's been known in the past as the "Wikimedia Conference" is
> > essentially a by-invitation conference that is not representative of the
> > movement.
> >
> > It's a big movement with lots of parts.  A better argument could be made
> > for renaming Wikimania the Wikimedia Conference than using that term for
> a
> > conference restricted to one small branch of the movement.  Many
> > Wikimedians over the years, particularly those who are highly active in
> > core movement activities but not chapter/affiliate activities, have felt
> > disenfranchised and marginalized by having the name of the movement to
> > which they make their contributions used for a conference at which they
> > will never be welcome.
> >
> > And the other reason for changing the name to be more representative of
> > what the conference is that it sets the tone for the agenda.  The focus
> of
> > the conference is, at least in theory, chapters and affiliated groups:
> what
> > they can learn from each other, sharing of tools and ideas, making
> > connections within and external to the Wikimedia movement, etc.  It's not
> > Wikimedia as a whole; it's far too exclusive (and exclusionary) for the
> > movement as a whole to be the focus of the conference.
> >
> > From a different perspective, let's compare ourselves to other
> conferences
> > that succeed because of their focus:  A conference for
> gastroenterologists
> > isn't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[Ilario Valdelli]

Wikimedia is a community of communities.

So basically Wikimania can be the unique Wikimedia Conference.

But we can come back to the first question. Would we really have a second
Wikimania in the first quarter of any year because the name Wikimedia
Conference should exclude no one?

Would we really have a second big event calling people from all the world
and spending a lot of time in the organization and setup?

Or probably the best solution would be several (less expensive) regional
and thematic conferences called "Wikimedia conference X"? Where people
coming will focus on a thematic agenda?

There is no problem in my opinion to close the discussion saying that
Wikimedia Conference is a name released in cc-by-sa 3.0 and people can use
it and redistribute it and modify it.

So the Wikimedia Conference as is can become "Wikimedia Conferences 2015
for affiliated", and there may be "Wikimedia Conference 2015 for Asia" and
"Wikimedia Conference 2015 for GLAM" and so on.



On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Risker  wrote:

> On 11 September 2014 22:07, Charles Gregory  wrote:
>
> > ... but the conference has been running for a few years, and has
> gradually
> > evolved over that time, from primarily chapters, to other affiliate
> > organisations, AffCom itself, FDC in recent years, etc.  I don't think
> > anyone is suggesting any revolutionary changes for the next one?  Just a
> > change in name to suit the current audience.
> >
> > What's the problem with the name "Wikimedia" being used?  It is, after
> all,
> > a conference involving Wikimedians.  It appears the main complaint is the
> > over-generic title "Wikimedia Conference".
> >
> > Charles (User:Chuq)
> >
> >
>
> You are correct, Chuq.  "Wikimedia" by itself is the entire movement. It's
> not a subgroup of the movement, which is what the chapters and affiliated
> organizations are as a group.  We don't call the hackathons "Wikimedia
> Conference", nor do we call the diversity conferences "Wikimedia
> Conference", yet arguably they are even more representative of Wikimedia
> (the movement) than this particular conference is; while attendees are
> largely self-selected, they are open to anyone who has the means and will
> to attend. What's been known in the past as the "Wikimedia Conference" is
> essentially a by-invitation conference that is not representative of the
> movement.
>
> It's a big movement with lots of parts.  A better argument could be made
> for renaming Wikimania the Wikimedia Conference than using that term for a
> conference restricted to one small branch of the movement.  Many
> Wikimedians over the years, particularly those who are highly active in
> core movement activities but not chapter/affiliate activities, have felt
> disenfranchised and marginalized by having the name of the movement to
> which they make their contributions used for a conference at which they
> will never be welcome.
>
> And the other reason for changing the name to be more representative of
> what the conference is that it sets the tone for the agenda.  The focus of
> the conference is, at least in theory, chapters and affiliated groups: what
> they can learn from each other, sharing of tools and ideas, making
> connections within and external to the Wikimedia movement, etc.  It's not
> Wikimedia as a whole; it's far too exclusive (and exclusionary) for the
> movement as a whole to be the focus of the conference.
>
> From a different perspective, let's compare ourselves to other conferences
> that succeed because of their focus:  A conference for gastroenterologists
> isn't going to call itself the "medical conference", nor would a conference
> for neurosurgeons.  They're going to wave the flag that they're focusing on
> a specific aspect of medicine.  It's what we do with the diversity
> conference, and with the hackathons, too.  You're not losing anything by
> changing the name: you're recognizing the specialty focus of the
> conference.
>
> Risker/Anne
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[Chris Keating]

I was always a little surprised by the name Wikimedia Conference. After
all, that name would most logically belong to the big, open, week-long
event that draws over a thousand people together to talk about every aspect
of the movement.*

However, that event is already called Wikimania, which also doesn't make
sense to me. In James F's phrase , it's a bit of a lie, as it doesn't deal
with mania or other mental health issues, and it isn't exclusively attended
by men (except to a very broad approximation).

Therefore I propose we start by renaming Wikimania to the Wikimedia
Conference.

That leaves open what we call the slightly boring get-together where we
talk about how movement organisations can improve their governance and
programme measurement. As an interim step I suggest using the now-unused
term Wikimania until a suitable committee can determine the correct name
for the event, hopefully before the event occurs.

So I am just heading over to Meta to move all Wikimania pages to the name
Wikimedia Conference and vice versa. I trust this will clarify the matter.

*NB please ignore the rest of the post from this point forward.
On 12 Sep 2014 07:31, "Pine W"  wrote:

> One additional nice benefit from having the affiliates conference be a
> pre-Wikimania conference is that those who don't want to or are excluded
> from the affiliate portions of the event can attend other portions like the
> education pre-conference or the pre-conference hackathon.
>
> Can we please move this discussion to Meta?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pine
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Ed Saperia  wrote:
>
> > It would, however, significantly increase the work for the Wikimania
> > organisers. They didn't sign up to programme and organise an affiliate
> org
> > conference, so they shouldn't have to if they don't want to.
> >
> > Guestlists cause all sorts of politics, but are a necessary evil when
> > dealing with limited resources. Choices must be made, and it's up to the
> > hosts to decide who gets to come. A mission statement for the conference
> > might help alleviate some of the bad feeling, but there will inevitably
> be
> > some as long as there are fewer places than people.
> >
> > Ed Saperia
> > Conference Coordinator Wikimania London
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 12 Sep 2014, at 01:44, Pine W  wrote:
> > >
> > > I like the idea of having this event be a pre-conference for Wikimania.
> > > That may reduce total travel costs and travel time for the people who
> > > usually attend both events. This may also simplify planning for people
> > and
> > > thorgs.
> > >
> > > Pine
> > >> On Sep 11, 2014 5:25 PM, "Pete Forsyth" 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Richard Symonds <
> > >> richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> What I'm saying is, let's plan a conference before we argue over the
> > >> name.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> But, most of the people on this list wouldn't have anything to do with
> > this
> > >> conference -- surely there's a better resource for
> conference-planning.
> > >>
> > >> The thing most of us have a stake in is the name of the conference,
> and
> > --
> > >> perhaps -- nothing more.
> > >>
> > >> Pete
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[Ilario Valdelli]

Any time I have seen the proposal of a pre-conference in Wikimania, any
time I have seen nothing happening.

There are two hackathons per year, one as Wikimania pre-conference and a
second one as separate event.

In my opinion proposing a preconference will not solve the problem but will
add a second conference to the annual one.

And the result will be a cost increasing for any Wikimania because in my
opinion the Wikimedia conference for affiliated will become more similar to
the Hackathon.

Personally I have seen a lot of events before Wikimania as pre-conference,
the agenda is already full of workshops and activities, there is no sense
to add a new one or there is no sense to add a new conference because all
these activities will have poor number of attendees keeping low the budget
of Wikimania.

Regards


On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Pine W  wrote:

> One additional nice benefit from having the affiliates conference be a
> pre-Wikimania conference is that those who don't want to or are excluded
> from the affiliate portions of the event can attend other portions like the
> education pre-conference or the pre-conference hackathon.
>
> Can we please move this discussion to Meta?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pine
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Ed Saperia  wrote:
>
> > It would, however, significantly increase the work for the Wikimania
> > organisers. They didn't sign up to programme and organise an affiliate
> org
> > conference, so they shouldn't have to if they don't want to.
> >
> > Guestlists cause all sorts of politics, but are a necessary evil when
> > dealing with limited resources. Choices must be made, and it's up to the
> > hosts to decide who gets to come. A mission statement for the conference
> > might help alleviate some of the bad feeling, but there will inevitably
> be
> > some as long as there are fewer places than people.
> >
> > Ed Saperia
> > Conference Coordinator Wikimania London
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 12 Sep 2014, at 01:44, Pine W  wrote:
> > >
> > > I like the idea of having this event be a pre-conference for Wikimania.
> > > That may reduce total travel costs and travel time for the people who
> > > usually attend both events. This may also simplify planning for people
> > and
> > > thorgs.
> > >
> > > Pine
> > >> On Sep 11, 2014 5:25 PM, "Pete Forsyth" 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Richard Symonds <
> > >> richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> What I'm saying is, let's plan a conference before we argue over the
> > >> name.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> But, most of the people on this list wouldn't have anything to do with
> > this
> > >> conference -- surely there's a better resource for
> conference-planning.
> > >>
> > >> The thing most of us have a stake in is the name of the conference,
> and
> > --
> > >> perhaps -- nothing more.
> > >>
> > >> Pete
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