Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

[Pete Forsyth]

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> It's normal, when you hire a company for a survey, you mention the
> company, for various reasons.
>

Ziko,

This is true, of course; but it does not address what is under discussion
here.

It is also normal for partnership agreements to include specifications of
how those mentions are carried out to meet certain objectives, while also
avoiding problems for both parties. With nearly every one of my clients,
this is specified by either an informal or a formal contract, prior to the
announcement or commencement of the project.

Regrettably, it is also rather normal for the Wikimedia Foundation to pay
insufficient attention to such arrangements. This leaves volunteers in the
position of cleaning up the mess, and sometimes, of playing the role of the
"bad guy" whose image suffers from telling somebody that they can't have
what they want.

-Pete
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

[Ziko van Dijk]

It's normal, when you hire a company for a survey, you mention the
company, for various reasons.
Kind regards
Ziko

2015-11-07 22:36 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel :
> Thank you, I responded also there. I found the link to their full website
> (where the privacy doc is hosted) still problematic, as the page also
> include bold and many links to uses their (commercial) services. This is
> totally not ok from my POV. Better to host the privacy doc on Wiki (or a
> different version), and to mention there that we are using 3rd party system.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:
>
>> This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this
>> morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where
>> Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
>>
>> -Pete
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Itzik,
>> >
>> > We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a
>> > link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects.  We linked to
>> the
>> > Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access to
>> > that if they wanted to read it.
>> >
>> > Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1].  It
>> > now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> >
>> > [1]
>> >
>> >
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before
>> > >
>> > > Mardetanha
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos 
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
>> > notify
>> > > > users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
>> > click
>> > > on
>> > > > the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
>> > aspect
>> > > > here).
>> > > >
>> > > > Best regards,
>> > > > Bence
>> > > >
>> > > > 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
>> > > > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
>> > > > :
>> > > >
>> > > > > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment
>> on
>> > > > > Wikimedia projects.
>> > > > > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
>> that's
>> > > the
>> > > > > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM
>> > and
>> > > > > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
>> > > > > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to
>> their
>> > > > > website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
>> > related
>> > > > to
>> > > > > this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thank you.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>> > > > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
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>> in
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

[Itzik - Wikimedia Israel]

Thank you, I responded also there. I found the link to their full website
(where the privacy doc is hosted) still problematic, as the page also
include bold and many links to uses their (commercial) services. This is
totally not ok from my POV. Better to host the privacy doc on Wiki (or a
different version), and to mention there that we are using 3rd party system.





*Regards,Itzik Edri*
Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
+972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!


On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this
> morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where
> Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
>
> -Pete
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Itzik,
> >
> > We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a
> > link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects.  We linked to
> the
> > Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access to
> > that if they wanted to read it.
> >
> > Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1].  It
> > now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > ​it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before​
> > >
> > > Mardetanha
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
> > notify
> > > > users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
> > click
> > > on
> > > > the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
> > aspect
> > > > here).
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Bence
> > > >
> > > > 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > > > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > > > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment
> on
> > > > > Wikimedia projects.
> > > > > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
> that's
> > > the
> > > > > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM
> > and
> > > > > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
> > > > > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
> > > > >
> > > > > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to
> their
> > > > > website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
> > related
> > > > to
> > > > > this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
> in
> > > the
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Passing of User:Belissarius

[Nurunnaby Chowdhury (Hasive)]

Sorry to hear. RIP.


-Hasive
WMBD

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Samir Elsharbaty 
wrote:

> So sorry to hear that!
> On Nov 6, 2015 9:45 PM, "Lila Tretikov"  wrote:
>
> > condolences
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Shlomi Fish 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 13:52:54 -0800
> > > Pine W  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Colleagues,
> > > >
> > > > The Wikipedia community has received news of the passing of
> > > > User:Belissarius. He spoke Polish natively and English at a high
> level
> > of
> > > > proficiency. He wrote about himself on his Wikipedia user pages at
> > > > https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedysta:Belissarius
> > > > and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Belissarius. Confirmation of
> > his
> > > > passing appeared in the *Polish Daily News *at
> > > > http://dziennikzwiazkowy.com/polonia/red-piotr-domaradzki-nie-zyje/
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sorry to hear about that.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Shlomi Fish
> > >
> > > > A self-portrait of him appears here:
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pulkownik_P.JPG
> > > >
> > > > His record includes 107,753 edits to Polish Wikipedia, and over 1000
> > > edits
> > > > each to English Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons:
> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Belissarius
> > > >
> > > > May he rest in peace.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] TPP - copyright

[Ivan Martínez]

Hi, there's a lot of review and analyze about TPP because not only in the
States we will have potential strong legal modifications. In Wikimedia
Mexico we are aware since one year ago at least following the analysis of
other NGOs devoted to internet freedom and copyright which can be a
potential risk to Wikimedia mission.

The main issue in the next days is that the extension of the revealed text
needs to have much analysis to have clear points that can be potential
risks to our mission.

Thanks,

2015-11-07 1:16 GMT-06:00 Gergő Tisza :

> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Ryan Kaldari 
> wrote:
>
> > I don't see anything in the TPP requiring retroactive application of
> > copyright terms. We'll have to wait and see how the various countries
> > choose to apply the new terms. Applying terms retroactively is uncommon,
> > but possible. We also have no idea when these countries are actually
> going
> > to apply the new terms.
> >
>
> I don't think it's uncommon, the US is the odd one out on this (or almost
> out, since in the end it did apply Berne  terms retroactively). For example
> the EU Copyright Directive prescribes a death + 70 copyright term so
> countries joining the EU restore copyright to all works for which they had
> shorter protection. International copyright treaties tend to be retroactive
> by default; "works shall be protected for X years after the death of the
> author" applies to all works, whether they are in the public domain
> currently or not.
>
> From the regulator's point of view this is reasonable; the point of these
> treaties is harmonization of the law, and harmonizing the protection term
> of one group of works but leaving another group protected in some countries
> and unprotected in others doesn't really make sense. The alternative would
> be a rule of the shorter term, but the US does not have that, and they are
> the driving force behind TPP, so...
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[Wikimedia-l] Difference between in- and off-campaign fundraising

[Lodewijk]

(splitting this thread off)
I see this wasn't posted on the list, but the fundraising team answered the
question as well on
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising#Q:_How_do_banners_.26_campaigns_work.3F


Or at least, tried to do so in good faith. Unfortunately it doesn't answer
the main question I had, which was (rephrased): what is the difference
between on-season and off-season fundraising (bannerwise). It seems the
answer is: only the level intensity of the banners is different: in-season
you'll see a lot more banners and emails, off-season you should only see
them sporadically.

If I interpret it wrong, please shout out!

Best,
Lodewijk

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Leila Zia  wrote:

> Hi Lodewijk,
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 6:20 AM, Lodewijk 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm a little confused though, so I hope you (or someone else) can clarify
> > something for me: what does a campaign look like these days? Because I'm
> > seeing banners all year round (I live in the Netherlands, maybe that
> makes
> > a difference), every now and then. But I also understood that the
> campaigns
> > nowadays are more sophisticated, and don't show the banner 100% any
> longer,
> > but only once per IP/computer/person?
> >
>
> The Fundraising team can better address this but since we're in a long
> weekend, I'll say as much as I know:
> There are different kinds of campaigns, ones that go constantly in a
> country for a period of time, those that go on for a sample of the traffic
> in a country for a specific period of time. The team is trying to spread
> the effort across the year so all our eggs are not in one basket which is
> December. :-)
>
> In terms of frequency, I think the team experiments with different banner
> frequencies. We know that if you see the banner more than 5 times, banner
> fatigue will take over. So, I think we are mostly testing with showing
> banners less than 5 times. For the December campaign in the US last year,
> if I remember correctly, you would see it once big, and then after that as
> a little bar on top of the page until you would close it or donate.
>
> Leila
>
>
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Megan Hernandez <
> mhernan...@wikimedia.org
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > There's a new Q1 fundraising update on meta
> > >  and
> > > posted here as well.
> > >
> > > The Wikimedia Foundation has just wrapped up the first quarter of the
> > > 2015-16 fiscal year. Over these past three months, the fundraising team
> > has
> > > been running ran campaigns in Japan, Brazil, Malaysia, South Africa,
> > > Belgium and Luxembourg and prepared for the upcoming year-end English
> > > fundraising campaign. The online fundraising team missed the $6 million
> > > goal for the quarter due to postponing the Italy fundraiser to October
> to
> > > support the Wiki Loves Monuments campaign. We raised roughly $5.7
> million
> > > in the first quarter of the year and plan to make up for the loss in
> the
> > > next quarter. The 2014-15 fiscal year fundraising report
> > > 
> was
> > > also posted in this quarter. If you haven’t read it yet, please do
> check
> > > out the report for a wealth of information on the last fiscal year.
> > >
> > > The team has used this first quarter to test a wide variety of brand
> new
> > > banners. From images, to banners highlighting photos from Commons, and
> > > different messages, we’ve found a few new ways to share the fundraising
> > > message with Wikipedia readers. With updated designs, we’ve ended the
> > > quarter with a banner that performs roughly 20% better than the best-
> > > performing banner from last quarter. Better performing banners are
> > required
> > > to raise a higher budget with declining traffic. We’ll continue testing
> > new
> > > banners into the next quarter and sharing highlights as we go.
> > >
> > > The banner message has also been updated with suggestions from the
> > > Wikimedia community. Thank you to everyone who has suggested
> improvements
> > > so far! We have changed “We survive on donations averaging about $15”
> to
> > > “We are sustained by donations averaging about $15.” We’ve also changed
> > > “Please help us end the fundraiser and get back to improving Wikipedia”
> > to
> > > “Please help us end the fundraiser and improve Wikipedia.” These
> message
> > > edits did not positively or negatively affect donations and were made
> in
> > > response to community feedback. In the past, we have also relied on
> > > community feedback to improve our campaigns. In the last year,
> community
> > > feedback has led to improvements to the usability of the close X icon
> > and a
> > > new line to highlight the editing community, “Wikipedia is written by a
> > > community of volunteers with a passion for sharing the world’s
> > knowledge.”
> > > All of th