Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

[Jennifer Pryor-Summers]

Jim

You ask that "the CTO search team please publish their search and
requirement criteria" -- what would you, or the public at large, do with
that information?

JPS
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

[Jennifer Pryor-Summers]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 3:49 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't describe Wikinews as a success case, though.
>
> Paulo
>

Compared to Wikitribune it is!  But more importantly, if Wikinews is not
thriving, then why not?  Does it lack resources?  What could or should the
WMF do to revive it?  Perhaps some of the money spent on rebranding would
be better spent on the  projects that are not doing so well as the big
Wikipedias -- or perhaps the WMF should cut its losses and close them down,
on the principle of reinforcing success instead.  These are the big
questions it should be asking itself.

JPS
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

[Risker]

I concur with Phoebe and Philippe as well.  I find this branding proposal
feels very dated; something that might have had currency several years ago,
but not really an advantage in the coming 10-15 years.  There aren't a lot
of organizations that change their names to reflect their most prominent
brand; if one looks at the most recent "big tech" renaming, we saw Google
move to Alphabet, actually divorcing themselves from their keystone brand.
I suspect that, had the foundation originally been named the "Wikipedia
Foundation", we might very well be looking to change the name to something
more generic (like "Wikimedia Foundation") today.  Given the longterm
strategic goal of being a broad and deep knowledge ecostructure, I think a
more generic name serves the movement better.

Much as I very much appreciate the time, energy and other resources that
have led to this proposal, there's not a lot of evidence of "value for
money" in proceeding, especially as a lot of the costs would devolve down
to affiliates that have much more pressing needs to meet with their limited
financial resources.  I won't enter into any discussion about whether
certain of our projects should be left by the wayside, but I will note that
there are significant variations in the "popularity" of various projects
between language groups as well as cultural groups.

Risker/Anne

On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 09:28, Philippe Beaudette 
wrote:

> As usual, Phoebe states very eloquently what I've been struggling to put
> into words myself.  And like she, I would have been excited about this
> brand change several years ago.  But we weren't ready / missed / didn't see
> the need for that opportunity then.  I think that moment has passed.  I'm
> not sure that the cost outlay and the time that it will take to clear up
> the confusion that a rebrand will cause is demonstrably worth the value
> received from it, for the reasons that Phoebe lays out below.
>
> Best,
> Philippe
> (former staff, still a volunteer, though of greatly reduced volume)
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 9:42 AM phoebe ayers 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Dear all,
> > I haven't weighed in before. But it seems to me there's a simple question
> > underlying all of this: do we actually want, or need, to increase public
> > awareness of the Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia chapters/affiliates
> (as
> > opposed to the projects themselves)?
> >
> > Having Wikimedia be a more recognizable entity or brand does not seem to
> me
> > like it would help us in our core goals, of recruiting editors and
> content
> > to the *projects*. We do not typically use the Wikimedia name to do
> > outreach, or to talk about the projects; the handful of us that are
> > insiders and give presentations about the WMF is small, relative to the
> > number of educators and librarians and editors talking about Wikipedia.
> (I
> > give many trainings on editing Wikipedia every year; talking about
> > Wikimedia is irrelevant for this purpose). Perhaps a rebrand would make
> > fundraising easier -- but we already use the project brand for that, as
> > most fundraising is directly off the projects, and the fundraising that
> > isn't (grants and large donations) has a lot of communication around it.
> So
> > I'm not sure how a rebrand would help here either.
> >
> > The premise of this whole exercise is that people knowing about Wikimedia
> > as an entity will somehow help us. But we are not trying to recruit
> > contributors to the Foundation, or to the chapters; we are trying to
> > recruit them to the projects, and if the infrastructure of our network is
> > invisible, I am fine with that. I think to increase the centrality of the
> > *organization* is a distraction that misses the point of both our mission
> > and the role of the organization, which is to provide infrastructure.
> We're
> > not selling shoes here; more brand awareness of the Foundation does not
> > translate into a direct furthering of our mission, and more focus on the
> > organization is at best a distraction for overworked volunteers.
> >
> > Like Andrew, I might have been excited about naming it the Wikipedia
> > Foundation ten or fifteen years ago. But now, I think there is a wide
> world
> > of free knowledge that we want to imagine -- including a future of our
> > projects remixed into something new, beyond Wikipedia. So for that reason
> > too, I am skeptical.
> >
> > regards,
> > Phoebe
> > (former WMF trustee)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

I wouldn't describe Wikinews as a success case, though.

Paulo

Jennifer Pryor-Summers  escreveu no dia
segunda, 15/04/2019 à(s) 19:05:

> Luiz
>
> >
> > > If the true drivers behind this change are because WMF senior
> > > management believe that the WMF is a competitor for Facebook or
> > > YouTube (as was in one of the marketing presentations), then the
> > > problem is their perception of the mission of the WMF, not the name
> > > "Wikimedia".
>
>
> Surely WMF projects are in competition with commercial entities, and very
> successfully so?  Wikipedia vs Britannica and Encarta; Wikivoyage vs
> Wiktravel; Wikinews vs Wikitribune; and so forth.  We celebrate those
> projects successes ...
>
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[Wikimedia-l] "The Director of the Wikipedia Community"?

[Ziko van Dijk]

Hello,

Allow me some notes on the rebranding of the Wikimedia movement. It
seems that the issue becomes larger and larger, as we receive signals
that the challenge is not only to use the brands differently or invent
new brands, but also to reform the movement and its organizations (?).

Also, the "Strategic Direction" hints that the term "community" will
be used for more than for the editing community(-ies) of today. That
everything and everybody will be "community" in future ("and beyond").

This makes the "rebranding" more and more complicated. And it seems -
I like to be corrected - that in external relations both "Wikipedia"
and "community" will be much more in use. So does that mean that, in
future, the director of the Wikimedia Foundation will become the
"director of the Wikipedia community" in external relations?

In general, I understand that the only well-known brand of the
Wikimedia movement is "Wikipedia" and that we should make good use of
it. I just wonder about the consequences for the movement, and how to
indicate relatedness and otherness between the different entities and
wikis.

Kind regards
Ziko

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Research Showcase] April 17 at 11:30 AM PDT, 19:30 UTC

[Janna Layton]

Just a reminder that this Showcase will be happening on Wednesday.

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 4:49 PM Janna Layton  wrote:

> Hello, everyone,
>
> The next Research Showcase, “Group Membership and Contributions to Public
> Information Goods: The Case of WikiProject” and “Thanks for Stopping By:
> A Study of ‘Thanks’ Usage on Wikimedia,” will be live-streamed next
> Wednesday, April 17, 2019, at 11:30 AM PDT/19:30 UTC.
>
> YouTube stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmb5LoJzOoE
>
> As usual, you can join the conversation on IRC at #wikimedia-research. You
> can also watch our past research showcases here:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research/Showcase
>
> This month's presentations:
>
>
>
> Group Membership and Contributions to Public Information Goods: The Case
> of WikiProject
>
> By Ark Fangzhou Zhang
>
> Abstract:
>
> We investigate the effects of group identity on contribution behavior on
> the English Wikipedia, the largest online encyclopedia that gives free
> access to the public. Using an instrumental variable approach that exploits
> the variations in one’s exposure to WikiProject, we find that joining a
> WikiProject has a significant impact on one’s level of contribution, with
> an average increase of 79 revisions or 8,672 character per month. To
> uncover the potential mechanism underlying the treatment effect, we use the
> size of home page for WikiProject as a proxy for the number of
> recommendations from a project. The results show that the users who join a
> WikiProject with more recommendations significantly increase their
> contribution to articles under the joined project, but not to articles
> under other projects.
>
>
>
> Thanks for Stopping By: A Study of ‘Thanks’ Usage on Wikimedia
>
> By Swati Goel
>
> Abstract:
>
> The Thanks feature on Wikipedia, also known as "Thanks," is a tool with
> which editors can quickly and easily send one other positive feedback. The
> aim of this project is to better understand this feature: its scope, the
> characteristics of a typical "Thanks" interaction, and the effects of
> receiving a thank on individual editors. We study the motivational impacts
> of "Thanks" because maintaining editor engagement is a central problem for
> crowdsourced repositories of knowledge such as Wikimedia. Our main findings
> are that most editors have not been exposed to the Thanks feature (meaning
> they have never given nor received a thank), thanks are typically sent
> upwards (from less experienced to more experienced editors), and receiving
> a thank is correlated with having high levels of editor engagement. Though
> the prevalence of "Thanks" usage varies by editor experience, the impact of
> receiving a thank seems mostly consistent for all users. We empirically
> demonstrate that receiving a thank has a strong positive effect on
> short-term editor activity across the board and provide preliminary
> evidence that thanks could compound to have long-term effects as well.
>
>
> --
> Janna Layton (she, her)
> Administrative Assistant - Audiences & Technology
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>


-- 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] ASBS2019 voter selection from UG-GE

[Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l]

 Hi all. Thanks to UG Georgia for their effort.
if any UGs or chapter would like to publish a meta page about the choice of the 
voter, in order to maximize transparency, that's a good idea. My only request 
is to try to follow a similar naming scheme "Name of the affiliate/ASBS2019 
Voter" (also take a look at the categorization)

With so many affiliates, we need to minimize the propagation of differences or 
keeping order is much more difficult. Thank you for your effort.
Alessandro






Il lunedì 15 aprile 2019, 22:09:55 CEST, Mehman Ibragimov 
 ha scritto:  
 
 Hi to all!

These days we (Wikimedia UG 
Georgia) have increased 
internal consultations on ASBS and agreed our positions on key issues.

After consultation and discussion, we selected a representative from Wikimedia 
UG Georgia, who will vote in the election Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia 
Foundation.

You can see selection process on this 
page.


Best,
__
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UG-GE Board 
Member
User:Mehman97

+995 598 42 86 03

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[Wikimedia-l] ASBS2019 voter selection from UG-GE

[Mehman Ibragimov]

Hi to all!

These days we (Wikimedia UG 
Georgia) have increased 
internal consultations on ASBS and agreed our positions on key issues.

After consultation and discussion, we selected a representative from Wikimedia 
UG Georgia, who will vote in the election Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia 
Foundation.

You can see selection process on this 
page.


Best,
__
Mehman Ibragimov
UG-GE Board 
Member
User:Mehman97

+995 598 42 86 03

mehman.ibragi...@outlook.com


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Chile Board Election

[Isaac Olatunde]

Congratulations to the newly elected board members. Wishing you all the
best in your new role

Regards,

Isaac

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019, 7:38 PM camelia boban  Congratulations to Rocio and all Wikimedia Chile board.
>
> Camelia
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2019, 8:24 PM Marco Correa  wrote:
>
> > [Sorry for the cross posting]
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > *Wikimedia Chile* (WMCL) held its annual General Assembly on April 13th,
> > which was also the beginning of a new term of our Board (2019-2021). All
> > the members from the 2017-2019 Board were reelected for the next two
> years,
> > and the positions were filled as follows:
> >
> > - Rocío Consales, Chair;
> > - Marco Correa: Vicechair;
> > - Carlos Figueroa, Secretary;
> > - Osmar Valdebenito, Treasurer;
> > - Dennis Tobar, Director:
> > - Claudio Loader, Director.
> >
> > We are glad to have Rocío serving as the new president of WMCL, not just
> > for her amazing work as volunteer and Board Member, but also because she
> is
> > the first woman to hold this position in our chapter's history.
> > Congratulations, Rocío!
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > *Marco Correa Pérez*
> > Vicechair - Wikimedia Chile
> > http://www.wikimediachile.cl
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediaindia-l] Updates about Wikimedia Foundation Community brand and marketing coordinator visit to India

[manoj kulkarni]

Hi,

I have some concerns regarding this whole process which, I think, need to
be addressed as soon as possible.

As far as I have understood, Samir is coming to India to get feedback from
the Indian affiliates and communities about the re-branding proposal and
report it back to WMF. Re-branding is a very debatable proposal which will
definitely affect, in a controversial and unclear way, the future of almost
all emerging communities, affiliates and sister projects.

So, my questions are,
‌1) Why was information about Samir's trip to India, not declared to the
communities well ahead of time so that the communities and affiliates could
express their voices and concerns directly with preparation?
‌2) Who decided that visiting only Punjabi, Hindi and Bangalore communities
is sufficient enough to provide the feedback of all Indian communities? Why
were not other communities and affiliates included in the process? What
criteria these three communities met so that they can represent the voices
from all over the country and why not other communities consulted about
this?
‌Why is Samir staying in Patiala, Delhi and Bangalore for extra days for
local sightseeing and not utilizing the days to communicate with other
communities and who planned for this kind of schedule?
‌How will it be ensured to provide ample opportunity for community members
to express their opinions? Online session is not a good option as many
don't have the necessary infrastructure to do so.

There is a feeling in the community that re-branding is already a made
decision by the WMF and this kind of non-transparency further endorses that
theory.

Hoping to get positive responses.

Regards,
Manoj Kulkarni




-- Forwarded message -
From: Gopala Krishna A 
Date: Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 8:29 AM
Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Updates about Wikimedia Foundation Community
brand and marketing coordinator visit to India
To: Wikimedia India Community list 
Cc: , <
wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org>, ,
, , <
wikit...@lists.wikimedia.org>


Hello Wikimedians,

Greetings from A2K. In upcoming week, Wikimedia Foundation Community brand
and marketing coordinator Samir Elsharbaty
 is visiting India
to collect feedback from affiliates and communities in India. Schedule will
be as follows:

   1. 16 April 2019 - Session with Hindi Wikimedians User group members and
   other Wikimedians in New Delhi. This is going to takes place at CIS office,
   First floor, B 1/8, Hauz Khaas, near G Block market, New Delhi between 11
   AM and 2 PM.
   2. 18 April 2019: Session with Punjabi Wikimedians User group in Patiala
   between 11 AM and 2 PM.
   3. 21 April 2019: Session with CIS-A2K and Wikimedians in Bangaluru.
   Event is going to take place at CIS office, No. 194, 2nd 'C' cross, Domlur,
   2nd Stage, Bengaluru between 11 AM to 2PM.

Main agenda will be:

   - Wikimedia brand project presentation for the 2030 strategic direction.
   - Discussion and open Q&A.
   - Introduction about the Wikimedia Foundation's communication's team and
   their work.
   - Open discussion on communications.


Please read more about these sessions here and register your name for
participation:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Brand_Project_-_Community_review_in_India

Please feel free to contact us if you have any questions.

-- 
Regards,
Gopala Krishna A
Community Advocate, CIS-A2K
Contact : +918884244408




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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Updates about Wikimedia Foundation Community brand and marketing coordinator visit to India

[manoj kulkarni]

Hi,

I have some concerns regarding this whole process which, I think, need to
be addressed as soon as possible.

As far as I have understood, Samir is coming to India to get feedback from
the Indian affiliates and communities about the re-branding proposal and
report it back to WMF. Re-branding is a very debatable proposal which will
definitely affect, in a controversial and unclear way, the future of almost
all emerging communities, affiliates and sister projects.

So, my questions are,
‌1) Why was information about Samir's trip to India, not declared to the
communities well ahead of time so that the communities and affiliates could
express their voices and concerns directly with preparation?
‌2) Who decided that visiting only Punjabi, Hindi and Bangalore communities
is sufficient enough to provide the feedback of all Indian communities? Why
were not other communities and affiliates included in the process? What
criteria these three communities met so that they can represent the voices
from all over the country and why not other communities consulted about
this?
‌Why is Samir staying in Patiala, Delhi and Bangalore for extra days for
local sightseeing and not utilizing the days to communicate with other
communities and who planned for this kind of schedule?
‌How will it be ensured to provide ample opportunity for community members
to express their opinions? Online session is not a good option as many
don't have the necessary infrastructure to do so.

There is a feeling in the community that re-branding is already a made
decision by the WMF and this kind of non-transparency further endorses that
theory.

Hoping to get positive responses.

Regards,
Manoj Kulkarni
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [తెవికీ]Fwd: [Wikimediaindia-l] Updates about Wikimedia Foundation Community brand and marketing coordinator visit to India

[manoj kulkarni]

Thanks Krishna for forwarding the mail to main thread in Indian mailing
list.  My mails are not reached at Indian mailing list, although I have
successfully subscribe the to the list. I am again cc to Indian mailing
list. we should discuss your tread also
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2019-April/014000.html

Regards,
Manoj Kulkarni

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 6:23 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga 
wrote:

> This message was originally Telugu Wikimedia mailing list on the branding
> community consultation discussion, by Manoj Kulkarni. I am looping in the
> Indian mailing list, where this discussion was originally going on.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 5:49 PM manoj kulkarni <
> kulkarnimanoj1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have some concerns regarding this whole process which, I think, need to
> > be addressed as soon as possible.
> >
> > As far as I have understood, Samir is coming to India to get feedback
> from
> > the Indian affiliates and communities about the re-branding proposal and
> > report it back to WMF. Re-branding is a very debatable proposal which
> will
> > definitely affect, in a controversial and unclear way, the future of
> almost
> > all emerging communities, affiliates and sister projects.
> >
> > So, my questions are,
> > ‌1) Why was information about Samir's trip to India, not declared to the
> > communities well ahead of time so that the communities and affiliates
> could
> > express their voices and concerns directly with preparation?
> > ‌2) Who decided that visiting only Punjabi, Hindi and Bangalore
> communities
> > is sufficient enough to provide the feedback of all Indian communities?
> Why
> > were not other communities and affiliates included in the process? What
> > criteria these three communities met so that they can represent the
> voices
> > from all over the country and why not other communities consulted about
> > this?
> > ‌Why is Samir staying in Patiala, Delhi and Bangalore for extra days for
> > local sightseeing and not utilizing the days to communicate with other
> > communities and who planned for this kind of schedule?
> > ‌How will it be ensured to provide ample opportunity for community
> members
> > to express their opinions? Online session is not a good option as many
> > don't have the necessary infrastructure to do so.
> >
> > There is a feeling in the community that re-branding is already a made
> > decision by the WMF and this kind of non-transparency further endorses
> that
> > theory.
> >
> > Hoping to get positive responses.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Manoj Kulkarni
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Updates about Wikimedia Foundation Community brand and marketing coordinator visit to India

[manoj kulkarni]

Hi,

I have some concerns regarding this whole process which, I think, need to
be addressed as soon as possible.

As far as I have understood, Samir is coming to India to get feedback from
the Indian affiliates and communities about the re-branding proposal and
report it back to WMF. Re-branding is a very debatable proposal which will
definitely affect, in a controversial and unclear way, the future of almost
all emerging communities, affiliates and sister projects.

So, my questions are,
‌1) Why was information about Samir's trip to India, not declared to the
communities well ahead of time so that the communities and affiliates could
express their voices and concerns directly with preparation?
‌2) Who decided that visiting only Punjabi, Hindi and Bangalore communities
is sufficient enough to provide the feedback of all Indian communities? Why
were not other communities and affiliates included in the process? What
criteria these three communities met so that they can represent the voices
from all over the country and why not other communities consulted about
this?
‌Why is Samir staying in Patiala, Delhi and Bangalore for extra days for
local sightseeing and not utilizing the days to communicate with other
communities and who planned for this kind of schedule?
‌How will it be ensured to provide ample opportunity for community members
to express their opinions? Online session is not a good option as many
don't have the necessary infrastructure to do so.

There is a feeling in the community that re-branding is already a made
decision by the WMF and this kind of non-transparency further endorses that
theory.

Hoping to get positive responses.

Regards,
Manoj Kulkarni
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[Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

[James Salsman]

I withdraw any opinions and suggestions about the branding discussion,
and don't intend to continue participating in it. Instead, I would
like to have a more substantive discussion:

(1) I ask that the CTO search team please publish their search and
requirement criteria, including the CTO job description and any and
all goals for the CTO position whether in current planning documents
or unpublished drafts of planning materials.

(2) Why are the Strategy Working Group lists not on
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo ? I recall several people
involved with the strategy process as saying it is "open" and asking
at length for additional participation (e.g.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxCFzA3PEaQ&t=23m and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxCFzA3PEaQ&t=30m et seq.) To be
honest, there doesn't seem to be much community engagement from
working groups or strategy process facilitators on meta, and the
meeting summaries are very abstract and difficult to understand. If
there is a need for private strategy working group communications, can
people use off-list emails instead?

Best regards,
Jim

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[Wikimedia-l] Annual Report 2018: Wikimedia Community User Group Turkey

[Basak]

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blockchain 
Dear All,

After a delay, I am happy to share the annual report of the Wikimedia
Community User Group Turkey.

-Basak

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Turkey/Reports/2018
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

[Jennifer Pryor-Summers]

Luiz

>
> > If the true drivers behind this change are because WMF senior
> > management believe that the WMF is a competitor for Facebook or
> > YouTube (as was in one of the marketing presentations), then the
> > problem is their perception of the mission of the WMF, not the name
> > "Wikimedia".


Surely WMF projects are in competition with commercial entities, and very
successfully so?  Wikipedia vs Britannica and Encarta; Wikivoyage vs
Wiktravel; Wikinews vs Wikitribune; and so forth.  We celebrate those
projects successes ...

JPS
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

[Luiz Augusto]

Em dom, 14 de abr de 2019 09:54, Fæ  escreveu:

> (...)
> If the true drivers behind this change are because WMF senior
> management believe that the WMF is a competitor for Facebook or
> YouTube (as was in one of the marketing presentations), then the
> problem is their perception of the mission of the WMF, not the name
> "Wikimedia".
> (...)

The real issue is the community not stopping the moron who changed a
colored logo historically associated to diversity into a tedious P&B
version and changed the WMF blog skin to a set of aggressive and repulsive
colors.

Not stopping a disease in their very initial stages have a price.

Listing comercial entities as competitors with WMF projects is the worse
thing I've forced to read on my life.

[[m:User:555]]
P.S.: the "m" portion on my signature is a interwiki, not my gender, if
someone don't knows
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[Wikimedia-l] Call for submissions for Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2019

[Kiril Simeonovski]

Dear all,

The call for submissions for the Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2019, which will
take place in Belgrade from 11-13 October, is now open. This year's
conference will be labelled with the slogan "Broaden Your Capacity!" to
point out on capacity development as its main goal.

Session proposals can be submitted in six different types with standardised
durations. The authors of the submissions have freedom to identify the
topic(s) covered with their proposals, and the conference themes will be
determined after marrying up the indicated topics of the accepted
submissions.

There is no limit on the number of session proposals submitted by an
individual, a group or a community, and we are looking forward to receiving
submissions pertaining to diverse topics from every community within the
CEE region. We also welcome, and have reserved limited space for,
submissions from people outside this region.

The submission process will be facilitated by six programme liaisons
covering several thematic areas:
* Community & Governance: Đorđe Stakić
* Education & Research: Marios Magioladitis
* GLAM & Outreach: Wojciech Pędzich
* Organisation & Diversity: Gayane Vardanyan
* Strategy & Communication: Philip Kopetzky
* Technology & Languages: Marko Adam

The call for submissions closes on 30 June 23:59 (CEST).

For detailed information, please see:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2019/Submissions

Best regards,
Kiril
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

Also reminding that most of us who are members of national chapters are
volunteers at the projects, and many of us were in the projects for long
before joining a chapter or UG.

If the WMF spoils the chapters, we will find our way and do the same thing
we are doing for ages, advancing good quality knowledge free and open for
everyone, with or without WMF support. It is obviously better if we are all
in the same boat, but it's important to leave it clear that it is not a
fatality.

Regards,
Paulo

Peter Southwood  escreveu no dia segunda,
15/04/2019 à(s) 08:29:

> The members of the chapters are volunteers, so free to simply walk away
> any time they choose. Shove too hard and you have no chapter. Who wins?
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Jennifer Pryor-Summers
> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 7:10 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals
>
> Fæ
>
> I don't think that the chapters are in a position to dictate to the
> Foundation in the way you suggest.  To take the UK chapter, with you are
> probably most familiar, last year some 42% of its income came as a block
> grant from the WMF, the figures for the preceding years being 54% and 47%.
> When half of your income comes from the Foundation, then when push comes to
> shove, you do what they tell you to.
>
> JPS
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 1:54 PM Fæ  wrote:
>
> > Most Chapters and many other Affiliates are registered legal
> > organizations. In some cases, like the one you quote, the organization
> > is a registered charity and has several years of submitting accounts
> > and reports as that entity.
> >
> > Names can be changed but this would be a legally meaningful decision
> > by each board, and each board should be free to make their own
> > decision on the necessity of the change and agree their budget for
> > changing, not simply because some unnamed marketing consultant gave
> > some expensive advice to the WMF about "branding". There is zero
> > verifiable statistical evidence to back up claimed benefits apart from
> > vague hand waving to pie charts in presentations about 'markets' for
> > which nothing is explained about the self-selected sample space, and
> > for which there are no reported credible tests.
> >
> > If the true drivers behind this change are because WMF senior
> > management believe that the WMF is a competitor for Facebook or
> > YouTube (as was in one of the marketing presentations), then the
> > problem is their perception of the mission of the WMF, not the name
> > "Wikimedia".
> >
> > Fae
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 09:45, Ed Saperia  wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe there’s an easy way to just test this? A chapter could start
> > calling itself e.g. Wikipedia UK in its comms for a year and see if
> there’s
> > any noticeable difference?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On 14 Apr 2019, at 01:47, phoebe ayers 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 2:29 PM Rebecca O'Neill <
> > rebeccanin...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I agree Galder!
> > > >>
> > > >> I would like to respond to Phoebe's comment on not wanting to draw
> > people
> > > >> to the *Wikimedia* movement is not true of the Irish experience. We
> > have
> > > >> some idea of an editing community that aren't interested in getting
> > > >> involved in our user group (and probably never will be), so we are
> > very
> > > >> keen to draw people to volunteering as Wikimedians not just as
> > editors.
> > > >> Presenting our group as something more than people who are
> experienced
> > > >> Wikipedia editors is very important to us, and anything that makes
> > that
> > > >> message easier would be of huge benefit to us.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Dear Rebecca,
> > > > Thanks for this. Let me try to explain my thinking a bit more...
> > > > I too want people to join Wikimedia New England, which is the group
> I'm
> > > > currently running. And in general, I want a thriving and healthy
> > ecosystem
> > > > of affiliates. But I want that to be true because the work that
> > chapters,
> > > > affiliates and the Foundation itself does is meant to be enabling for
> > the
> > > > larger goal of making free knowledge available, and specifically for
> > > > improving and sustaining Wikipedia and her sister projects.
> > > >
> > > > Everything that the groups do - from building the technical/legal
> > > > infrastructure side, to training new editors, to providing a friendly
> > > > geographic or topical face to Wikipedia, to doing outreach, to
> > supporting
> > > > existing editors - is a means to an end. It is not the end itself. We
> > do
> > > > this multivarious work because we recognize that there are many, many
> > > > effective ways to contribute in a project as complex as ours, and
> that
> > > > participants can sometimes best find a home in ways that are not
> > directly
>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

[Peter Southwood]

The members of the chapters are volunteers, so free to simply walk away any 
time they choose. Shove too hard and you have no chapter. Who wins?
Cheers,
Peter

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of 
Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 7:10 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

Fæ

I don't think that the chapters are in a position to dictate to the
Foundation in the way you suggest.  To take the UK chapter, with you are
probably most familiar, last year some 42% of its income came as a block
grant from the WMF, the figures for the preceding years being 54% and 47%.
When half of your income comes from the Foundation, then when push comes to
shove, you do what they tell you to.

JPS

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 1:54 PM Fæ  wrote:

> Most Chapters and many other Affiliates are registered legal
> organizations. In some cases, like the one you quote, the organization
> is a registered charity and has several years of submitting accounts
> and reports as that entity.
>
> Names can be changed but this would be a legally meaningful decision
> by each board, and each board should be free to make their own
> decision on the necessity of the change and agree their budget for
> changing, not simply because some unnamed marketing consultant gave
> some expensive advice to the WMF about "branding". There is zero
> verifiable statistical evidence to back up claimed benefits apart from
> vague hand waving to pie charts in presentations about 'markets' for
> which nothing is explained about the self-selected sample space, and
> for which there are no reported credible tests.
>
> If the true drivers behind this change are because WMF senior
> management believe that the WMF is a competitor for Facebook or
> YouTube (as was in one of the marketing presentations), then the
> problem is their perception of the mission of the WMF, not the name
> "Wikimedia".
>
> Fae
>
>
>
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 09:45, Ed Saperia  wrote:
> >
> > Maybe there’s an easy way to just test this? A chapter could start
> calling itself e.g. Wikipedia UK in its comms for a year and see if there’s
> any noticeable difference?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 14 Apr 2019, at 01:47, phoebe ayers  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 2:29 PM Rebecca O'Neill <
> rebeccanin...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I agree Galder!
> > >>
> > >> I would like to respond to Phoebe's comment on not wanting to draw
> people
> > >> to the *Wikimedia* movement is not true of the Irish experience. We
> have
> > >> some idea of an editing community that aren't interested in getting
> > >> involved in our user group (and probably never will be), so we are
> very
> > >> keen to draw people to volunteering as Wikimedians not just as
> editors.
> > >> Presenting our group as something more than people who are experienced
> > >> Wikipedia editors is very important to us, and anything that makes
> that
> > >> message easier would be of huge benefit to us.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Dear Rebecca,
> > > Thanks for this. Let me try to explain my thinking a bit more...
> > > I too want people to join Wikimedia New England, which is the group I'm
> > > currently running. And in general, I want a thriving and healthy
> ecosystem
> > > of affiliates. But I want that to be true because the work that
> chapters,
> > > affiliates and the Foundation itself does is meant to be enabling for
> the
> > > larger goal of making free knowledge available, and specifically for
> > > improving and sustaining Wikipedia and her sister projects.
> > >
> > > Everything that the groups do - from building the technical/legal
> > > infrastructure side, to training new editors, to providing a friendly
> > > geographic or topical face to Wikipedia, to doing outreach, to
> supporting
> > > existing editors - is a means to an end. It is not the end itself. We
> do
> > > this multivarious work because we recognize that there are many, many
> > > effective ways to contribute in a project as complex as ours, and that
> > > participants can sometimes best find a home in ways that are not
> directly
> > > editing. But equally: there are of course other means to this end of
> > > building free knowledge that have nothing to do with the Wikimedia
> group/
> > > structure, most notably the thousands of independent volunteers who
> work
> > > largely alone to maintain and build the projects, and upon whose work
> we
> > > all depend. Groups, and the Foundation, are important! But they are
> not, in
> > > themselves, the end goal.
> > >
> > > So where does this leave us with rebranding? I admit I haven't read
> all of
> > > the comments/analysis. But, to my mind, there's a cost to rebranding:
> the
> > > several hundred person-hours that have already been put into this
> > > discussion, if nothing else. For the benefit to outweigh the cost, we
> need
> > > to imagine

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A BIG congratulations to the WikiVoyage community.

[Peter Southwood]

Onwards and upwards!
Cheers, 
Peter

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of 
James Heilman
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 7:45 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] A BIG congratulations to the WikiVoyage community.

Back in 2013 the WikiVoyage community joined the Wikimedia Movement after
leaving their prior hoster and site behind.

Per Alexa WikiVoyage this month passed in popularity the website they left.
WikiVoyage is now the 14,793 most popular website in the world as opposed
to WikiTravel at 15,821.

A BIG congratulations to the WikiVoyage community :-)
-- 
James Heilman
MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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