Re: [Wikimedia-l] Persistence of old vandalized Wikipedia articles in Google search, especially for zombie attacks

[RhinosF1 -]

Hi Fæ,

I've requested it's taken down using
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/removals so it should be updated
soon.

Thanks,
RhinosF1

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 15:20, Fæ  wrote:

> Can someone explain how a vandalized version of the Wikipedia article
> about Henry Kissinger that was only visible for a rather short time
> several days ago, is still being promoted in Google searches
> today?[1][2]
>
> The "zombie sex" vandalism was only visible for a few minutes, quickly
> fixed by admin El C and the page indefinitely protected. Yet it is
> this four day old version that Google searches were using in
> preference to either the current version or older versions with more
> long term public visibility. In the age of real smart Google AI and
> active mirrors of Wikipedia, how is this still our reality? It does
> not give me confidence that politically vandalized articles
> potentially for the benefit of state sponsored agents are not also
> being promoted in searches for several days, regardless of how
> fleetingly they are visible on Wikipedia and speedily corrected by
> volunteers.
>
> It would be good to have a simple explanation of any improvements to
> how this works, and our Wikimedia projects pragmatic relationship with
> Google and other search engines.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Links
> 1.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_Kissinger=history
> 2. https://twitter.com/Faewik/status/1180847863854706689/photo/1
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Persistence of old vandalized Wikipedia articles in Google search, especially for zombie attacks

[Rebecca Yael Weissburg]

I remember hearing why this happens, and that it is a concern to Google,
but I don’t remember the technical details. They want to work with us to
fix this issue. I will reach out and get more information. Thanks for
flagging!

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 8:57 AM Dennis During  wrote:

> Isn't it statistically inevitable that some offensively vandalized version
> of some WP article will happen to be the version that Google caches? I
> suppose they don't refresh the cache very often. Weekly? I know Google
> doesn't make it easy to complain effectively about such blunders.
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:20 AM Fæ  wrote:
>
> > Can someone explain how a vandalized version of the Wikipedia article
> > about Henry Kissinger that was only visible for a rather short time
> > several days ago, is still being promoted in Google searches
> > today?[1][2]
> >
> > The "zombie sex" vandalism was only visible for a few minutes, quickly
> > fixed by admin El C and the page indefinitely protected. Yet it is
> > this four day old version that Google searches were using in
> > preference to either the current version or older versions with more
> > long term public visibility. In the age of real smart Google AI and
> > active mirrors of Wikipedia, how is this still our reality? It does
> > not give me confidence that politically vandalized articles
> > potentially for the benefit of state sponsored agents are not also
> > being promoted in searches for several days, regardless of how
> > fleetingly they are visible on Wikipedia and speedily corrected by
> > volunteers.
> >
> > It would be good to have a simple explanation of any improvements to
> > how this works, and our Wikimedia projects pragmatic relationship with
> > Google and other search engines.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Links
> > 1.
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_Kissinger=history
> > 2. https://twitter.com/Faewik/status/1180847863854706689/photo/1
> >
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> > --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Persistence of old vandalized Wikipedia articles in Google search, especially for zombie attacks

[Alex Monk]

I've had a few successes in the past with getting Google to remove
vandalised versions of pages from their cache/main search results using
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/removals?pli=1 - in this case it
appears in the knowledge panel but not the cached copy of the page, so it
might be more tricky. I clicked the feedback link, then the Wikipedia
extract and wrote that it was a vandalised revision... Don't know if they
actually read that stuff though.

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 16:56, Dennis During  wrote:

> Isn't it statistically inevitable that some offensively vandalized version
> of some WP article will happen to be the version that Google caches? I
> suppose they don't refresh the cache very often. Weekly? I know Google
> doesn't make it easy to complain effectively about such blunders.
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:20 AM Fæ  wrote:
>
> > Can someone explain how a vandalized version of the Wikipedia article
> > about Henry Kissinger that was only visible for a rather short time
> > several days ago, is still being promoted in Google searches
> > today?[1][2]
> >
> > The "zombie sex" vandalism was only visible for a few minutes, quickly
> > fixed by admin El C and the page indefinitely protected. Yet it is
> > this four day old version that Google searches were using in
> > preference to either the current version or older versions with more
> > long term public visibility. In the age of real smart Google AI and
> > active mirrors of Wikipedia, how is this still our reality? It does
> > not give me confidence that politically vandalized articles
> > potentially for the benefit of state sponsored agents are not also
> > being promoted in searches for several days, regardless of how
> > fleetingly they are visible on Wikipedia and speedily corrected by
> > volunteers.
> >
> > It would be good to have a simple explanation of any improvements to
> > how this works, and our Wikimedia projects pragmatic relationship with
> > Google and other search engines.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Links
> > 1.
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_Kissinger=history
> > 2. https://twitter.com/Faewik/status/1180847863854706689/photo/1
> >
> > Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Persistence of old vandalized Wikipedia articles in Google search, especially for zombie attacks

[Dennis During]

Isn't it statistically inevitable that some offensively vandalized version
of some WP article will happen to be the version that Google caches? I
suppose they don't refresh the cache very often. Weekly? I know Google
doesn't make it easy to complain effectively about such blunders.

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:20 AM Fæ  wrote:

> Can someone explain how a vandalized version of the Wikipedia article
> about Henry Kissinger that was only visible for a rather short time
> several days ago, is still being promoted in Google searches
> today?[1][2]
>
> The "zombie sex" vandalism was only visible for a few minutes, quickly
> fixed by admin El C and the page indefinitely protected. Yet it is
> this four day old version that Google searches were using in
> preference to either the current version or older versions with more
> long term public visibility. In the age of real smart Google AI and
> active mirrors of Wikipedia, how is this still our reality? It does
> not give me confidence that politically vandalized articles
> potentially for the benefit of state sponsored agents are not also
> being promoted in searches for several days, regardless of how
> fleetingly they are visible on Wikipedia and speedily corrected by
> volunteers.
>
> It would be good to have a simple explanation of any improvements to
> how this works, and our Wikimedia projects pragmatic relationship with
> Google and other search engines.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Links
> 1.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_Kissinger=history
> 2. https://twitter.com/Faewik/status/1180847863854706689/photo/1
>
> Fae
> --
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[Wikimedia-l] Persistence of old vandalized Wikipedia articles in Google search, especially for zombie attacks

[Fæ]

Can someone explain how a vandalized version of the Wikipedia article
about Henry Kissinger that was only visible for a rather short time
several days ago, is still being promoted in Google searches
today?[1][2]

The "zombie sex" vandalism was only visible for a few minutes, quickly
fixed by admin El C and the page indefinitely protected. Yet it is
this four day old version that Google searches were using in
preference to either the current version or older versions with more
long term public visibility. In the age of real smart Google AI and
active mirrors of Wikipedia, how is this still our reality? It does
not give me confidence that politically vandalized articles
potentially for the benefit of state sponsored agents are not also
being promoted in searches for several days, regardless of how
fleetingly they are visible on Wikipedia and speedily corrected by
volunteers.

It would be good to have a simple explanation of any improvements to
how this works, and our Wikimedia projects pragmatic relationship with
Google and other search engines.

Thanks!

Links
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_Kissinger=history
2. https://twitter.com/Faewik/status/1180847863854706689/photo/1

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ի՞նչն է Ձեզ երջանկացնում այս շաբաթ: / What’s making you happy this week? (Week of 22 September 2019)

[Yaroslav Blanter]

Thanks Gerard.

I think concerning Wikidata, we should be fine, since all these articles
existed on the Russian Wikipedia before Wikidata was even created, and bots
must have moved there relevant information, but I will sample it.

Concerning the Africa project, I added quite some information to about a
half of the articles on districts in Mozambique several years ago, when
DrBlofield organized a writing competition on African topics at the English
Wikipedia. Since that, I never could find time to work on the other half.
May be now there is time. However, again, all these articles existed
already at the time, in the English, Spanish, and Portuguese Wikipedias,
and I assume that basic data is already on Wikidata. The coverage of
African physical geography is generally very poor as well, but, in contrast
to human geography, improving coverage probably requires a visit to a
library.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 3:25 PM Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> Wonderful work congratulations .. I do appreciate your work, in my "Africa
> project" I have a record for all the known administrative administrative
> entities. It truly is a work in progress and it serves a few purposes.
>
>- In Wikidata the links for the administrative entities exist and they
>are linked to the one level higher up
>- when the data is used in Listeria lists, the same list may be used for
>multiple Wikipedias, serving multiple languages.
>- it shows the known articles, the difference is straight or italic. It
>is easiest to add names for the higher levels, they will then show in
> the
>local language properly
>
> The problem with topics that are used a lot but have few devotees is that
> it helps when lists like these are available. When you care to, I am happy
> to help you set this up for Russia and have the info on more Wikipedias.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> PS there is a similar project for India
>
> On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 13:53, Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:
>
> > Now, what is making me happy this week is that yesterday I completed the
> > first step of my long-term project at the English Wikipedia. I finished
> > creating articles on all district centers in Russia. Districts are the
> > second level administration divisions in Russia (the first level are
> > federal subjects), there are slightly less than two thousands of them.
> > District centers could be cities, urban-type settlements (urban
> localities
> > toughly equivalent to towns in the UK), and rural localities. When I
> > started, all articles on Russian towns were already there, but less than
> a
> > half of urban-type settlements and rural localities which are district
> > centers were redlinks. I started creating all of them more than a year
> ago,
> > and yesterday I finished the last one remaining. The articles I created
> are
> > mainly stubs, with some minimal necessary geographical information,
> > including population and coordinates, categories, templates etc.
> >
> > Now I am back to the second step — filling these articles with
> information.
> > This is also something I already started (in fact, I started it the first
> > day I edited the English Wikipedia from my new account in 2011), and for
> > the time being I have completed writing articles on districts, district
> > centers, and urban localities in six (out of 83) federal subjects. This
> is
> > something I am more proud of, a random example of such an article is
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezhetsky_District . The second step will
> be
> > to bring the remaining articles to a comparable level. Since this is not
> > the only thing I am doing on the English Wikipedia, I can easily imagine
> it
> > could take ten years or more. So far nobody else was interested in doing
> > this work along with me — which is not very surprising, because the
> > information exists mainly in Russian, and knowledge of Russian beyond the
> > Google Translate abilities is essential.
> >
> > A spin-off project I came across and which had to be shelved for a year
> was
> > to create articles about all Ukrainian urban localities — I am almost
> done
> > there, but last time I checked there were still several dozen articles to
> > create. I will probably resume it now if there are still some left.
> >
> > (And another thing I found recently is completely unrelated to the above
> —
> > I just discovered that a lot of metro stations do not have articles on
> the
> > English Wikipedia, and a lot of those which have do not cite any
> sources. I
> > had some fun a couple of weeks ago creating articles on stations of
> Panama
> > Metro, and this week I added sources to the articles on Prague Metro,
> most
> > of which had zero sources previously).
> >
> > I realize that many people on the list do not edit projects but edit them
> > occasionally, and probably do not care much about this obscure type of
> the
> > articles, but I still think it is good not to forget why we are here.
> >
> > Cheers
> > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ի՞նչն է Ձեզ երջանկացնում այս շաբաթ: / What’s making you happy this week? (Week of 22 September 2019)

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Wonderful work congratulations .. I do appreciate your work, in my "Africa
project" I have a record for all the known administrative administrative
entities. It truly is a work in progress and it serves a few purposes.

   - In Wikidata the links for the administrative entities exist and they
   are linked to the one level higher up
   - when the data is used in Listeria lists, the same list may be used for
   multiple Wikipedias, serving multiple languages.
   - it shows the known articles, the difference is straight or italic. It
   is easiest to add names for the higher levels, they will then show in the
   local language properly

The problem with topics that are used a lot but have few devotees is that
it helps when lists like these are available. When you care to, I am happy
to help you set this up for Russia and have the info on more Wikipedias.
Thanks,
GerardM

PS there is a similar project for India

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 13:53, Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> Now, what is making me happy this week is that yesterday I completed the
> first step of my long-term project at the English Wikipedia. I finished
> creating articles on all district centers in Russia. Districts are the
> second level administration divisions in Russia (the first level are
> federal subjects), there are slightly less than two thousands of them.
> District centers could be cities, urban-type settlements (urban localities
> toughly equivalent to towns in the UK), and rural localities. When I
> started, all articles on Russian towns were already there, but less than a
> half of urban-type settlements and rural localities which are district
> centers were redlinks. I started creating all of them more than a year ago,
> and yesterday I finished the last one remaining. The articles I created are
> mainly stubs, with some minimal necessary geographical information,
> including population and coordinates, categories, templates etc.
>
> Now I am back to the second step — filling these articles with information.
> This is also something I already started (in fact, I started it the first
> day I edited the English Wikipedia from my new account in 2011), and for
> the time being I have completed writing articles on districts, district
> centers, and urban localities in six (out of 83) federal subjects. This is
> something I am more proud of, a random example of such an article is
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezhetsky_District . The second step will be
> to bring the remaining articles to a comparable level. Since this is not
> the only thing I am doing on the English Wikipedia, I can easily imagine it
> could take ten years or more. So far nobody else was interested in doing
> this work along with me — which is not very surprising, because the
> information exists mainly in Russian, and knowledge of Russian beyond the
> Google Translate abilities is essential.
>
> A spin-off project I came across and which had to be shelved for a year was
> to create articles about all Ukrainian urban localities — I am almost done
> there, but last time I checked there were still several dozen articles to
> create. I will probably resume it now if there are still some left.
>
> (And another thing I found recently is completely unrelated to the above —
> I just discovered that a lot of metro stations do not have articles on the
> English Wikipedia, and a lot of those which have do not cite any sources. I
> had some fun a couple of weeks ago creating articles on stations of Panama
> Metro, and this week I added sources to the articles on Prague Metro, most
> of which had zero sources previously).
>
> I realize that many people on the list do not edit projects but edit them
> occasionally, and probably do not care much about this obscure type of the
> articles, but I still think it is good not to forget why we are here.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 11:44 PM Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Pictures from Armenia
> >
> >
> >-
> >
> >This image
> ><
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mount_Ararat_and_the_Araratian_plain_(cropped).jpg
> > >,
> >which was the Picture of the Day for English Wikipedia on 17
> September,
> >shows Mount Ararat and the Araratian plain seen early morning from
> near
> > the
> >city of Artashat in Armenia. On the center left can be seen the
> historic
> >Khor Virap monastery. The photo was taken by User:Սէրուժ
> ><
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:%D5%8D%D5%A7%D6%80%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%AA
> > >
> >.
> >- Closer view
> ><
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Monasterio_Khor_Virap,_Armenia,_2016-10-01,_DD_25.jpg
> > >
> >of Khor Virap monastery
> ><
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Monasterio_Khor_Virap,_Armenia,_2016-10-01,_DD_25.jpg
> > >,
> >in a photo by User:Poco a poco
> >.
> >
> >
> > Other recent pictures of the day on English Wikipedia and Wikimedia
> Commons
> >
> >
> >   

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ի՞նչն է Ձեզ երջանկացնում այս շաբաթ: / What’s making you happy this week? (Week of 22 September 2019)

[Yaroslav Blanter]

Now, what is making me happy this week is that yesterday I completed the
first step of my long-term project at the English Wikipedia. I finished
creating articles on all district centers in Russia. Districts are the
second level administration divisions in Russia (the first level are
federal subjects), there are slightly less than two thousands of them.
District centers could be cities, urban-type settlements (urban localities
toughly equivalent to towns in the UK), and rural localities. When I
started, all articles on Russian towns were already there, but less than a
half of urban-type settlements and rural localities which are district
centers were redlinks. I started creating all of them more than a year ago,
and yesterday I finished the last one remaining. The articles I created are
mainly stubs, with some minimal necessary geographical information,
including population and coordinates, categories, templates etc.

Now I am back to the second step — filling these articles with information.
This is also something I already started (in fact, I started it the first
day I edited the English Wikipedia from my new account in 2011), and for
the time being I have completed writing articles on districts, district
centers, and urban localities in six (out of 83) federal subjects. This is
something I am more proud of, a random example of such an article is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezhetsky_District . The second step will be
to bring the remaining articles to a comparable level. Since this is not
the only thing I am doing on the English Wikipedia, I can easily imagine it
could take ten years or more. So far nobody else was interested in doing
this work along with me — which is not very surprising, because the
information exists mainly in Russian, and knowledge of Russian beyond the
Google Translate abilities is essential.

A spin-off project I came across and which had to be shelved for a year was
to create articles about all Ukrainian urban localities — I am almost done
there, but last time I checked there were still several dozen articles to
create. I will probably resume it now if there are still some left.

(And another thing I found recently is completely unrelated to the above —
I just discovered that a lot of metro stations do not have articles on the
English Wikipedia, and a lot of those which have do not cite any sources. I
had some fun a couple of weeks ago creating articles on stations of Panama
Metro, and this week I added sources to the articles on Prague Metro, most
of which had zero sources previously).

I realize that many people on the list do not edit projects but edit them
occasionally, and probably do not care much about this obscure type of the
articles, but I still think it is good not to forget why we are here.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 11:44 PM Pine W  wrote:

> Pictures from Armenia
>
>
>-
>
>This image
><
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mount_Ararat_and_the_Araratian_plain_(cropped).jpg
> >,
>which was the Picture of the Day for English Wikipedia on 17 September,
>shows Mount Ararat and the Araratian plain seen early morning from near
> the
>city of Artashat in Armenia. On the center left can be seen the historic
>Khor Virap monastery. The photo was taken by User:Սէրուժ
><
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:%D5%8D%D5%A7%D6%80%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%AA
> >
>.
>- Closer view
><
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Monasterio_Khor_Virap,_Armenia,_2016-10-01,_DD_25.jpg
> >
>of Khor Virap monastery
><
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Monasterio_Khor_Virap,_Armenia,_2016-10-01,_DD_25.jpg
> >,
>in a photo by User:Poco a poco
>.
>
>
> Other recent pictures of the day on English Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons
>
>
>-
>
>Schönbühel Castle (Schloss Schönbühel)
><
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Schloss_Sch%C3%B6nb%C3%BChel_20180919.jpg
> >
>in Schönbühel-Aggsbach, Lower Austria, in a photo by User:Uoaei1
>
>-
>
>The Kiss (Der Kuß)
><
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Kiss_-_Gustav_Klimt_-_Google_Cultural_Institute.jpg
> >,
>a painting by Austrian artist Gustav Klimt. The scan of the painting was
>made by the Google Art Project, and it was uploaded to Wikimedia
> Commons by User:Crisco
>1492 .
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

[Yaroslav Blanter]

The wishlist of course accepts wishes in any language, but in order to make
it to the accepted zone a wish must have several dozens supporters, which
is only realistically possible for English language wishes. (Supports can
also be in any language).

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:51 AM Chris Keating 
wrote:

> >
> > > the wishlist only reflects
> > > the needs and perceptions of highly active contributors [at present I
> > think
> > > it only accepts submissions in English ,which is another obstacle, but
> > that
> > > could be addressed].
> >
> > The wishlist has explicitly accepted wishes in any language.
>
>
> Thanks for confirming - and glad to hear it!
>
> Chris
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

[Chris Keating]

>
> > the wishlist only reflects
> > the needs and perceptions of highly active contributors [at present I
> think
> > it only accepts submissions in English ,which is another obstacle, but
> that
> > could be addressed].
>
> The wishlist has explicitly accepted wishes in any language.


Thanks for confirming - and glad to hear it!

Chris
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