Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Tool from Community Tech: Who Wrote That?

[James Heilman]

Would also be nice if it worked on references, external links / urls, and
policy pages. Not sure what would be required to add that capability?

James

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 12:07 AM  wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 11:05 AM Diane Ranville <
> dranville-...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > This is great. But it looks like it's only available on EN:WP?
> >
>
> As the extension provides just a way to display the data provided by the
> WikiWho service [1], which supports just five sites (enwiki, dewiki,
> euwiki, trwiki, eswiki), this extension supports only those sites as well.
> Pity.
>
> -- [[ cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec ]]
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

[Pine W]

Hi Aron,

I should be careful not to paint everyone with the same brush.

I have great respect for WMF's mission. It would be difficult to have
adequate legal support and technical infrastructure for Wikimedia projects
without one or more organizations providing formal and ongoing support.

WMF as an institution is something that I should distinguish from
individuals who work for WMF, or individuals who are on the WMF Board. I
think that there are some people at WMF who do excellent work. While I
don't want to name them here, there are numerous employees who I think go
above and beyond the call of duty to support the community and WMF's
mission.

Also, I should point out that Leila is a different from Lila. (In the past,
I owed Leila money for misspelling her name.)

However, all is not well. I don't enjoy the periodic clashes that happen
between the community and WMF.

Here are a couple of arguments from WMF in favor of SuperProtect, which was
implemented to prevent local users from removing MediaViewer. I don't know
that these same arguments would be made today, but WMF's statements
regarding its unwelcome intervention in English Wikipedia's governance in
2019 give me a lot of reason to question how much respect WMF has for the
English Wikipedia community and how well WMF knows English Wikipedia.

1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Media_Viewer/June_2014_RfC&oldid=616518543#Response_to_the_Media_Viewer_RfC

2. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-August/073927.html

I hope that this background information is helpful.

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

[David Goodman]

Leila, the decrease in interest  that you mention is typical of processes
in which the continued discussion leads to recommendation which are only
recommendations. If I were of the opinion that what I said here would only
at most be used as input to the person actually making the decision, I
would very likely say what I have ti say at an early stage, and then stop,
because there would be decreasing effect from anything I might say further.
But if what I  and others say were to be what makes the actual decision, my
interest will very likely increase as the time of decision approaches--and
at that point, people who may not have wanted to discuss, but know their
view and what to join in the decision, will do so.

Your suggestion, which I think amounts to saying that you and board will
decide what to do in the end, will justify most people in ignoring this
process. The only ones who continue will be either those who want to talk
indefinitely, or those who want to encourage others to raise the level of
dissatisfaction with the decision process (or its likely conclusion)  to
the level that it might be changed.



On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 4:25 PM Aron Manning  wrote:

> Hello Pine,
>
> On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 08:06, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Hi Aron,
> >
> > Some of your comments remind me of arguments that I heard from WMF around
> > the time that the WMF Board decided to let Lila have her way with
> > Superprotect. WMF's solution to various question about who should make
> > decisions and whether diverse needs were being adequately addressed was
> to
> > put itself in charge.
> >
>
> My knowledge about Superprotect is khm... superficial (no pun intended),
> from recollections and some randomly read discussions, but you made me
> interested to deepen my knowledge. Could you reference the arguments that
> you were reminded of, together with my specific comments that you
> associated with it, so I can better understand your comment?
>
> Regarding my comments: these are original thoughts based on researching
> policies and guidelines, the actual application of those, user feedback
> from editors (present and former) and impressions from readers. The extent
> of my research pales in comparison to those made by the WMF, therefore I
> focus on topics where I've acquired enough knowledge that my opinion and
> vision have taken form. Superprotect is not one of those topics, but maybe
> one day it will be.
>
>
> > I'm curious. How do you think that all-Wikiverse governance should be
> done?
> > This is a complex topic. You partially addressed this in your previous
> > email, and I would like to hear more, particularly regarding governance
> > structures, representation, and methods for creating all-Wikiverse
> policies
> > and budgets.
> >
>
> Thank you for asking. I'm happy (this week ;-) that someone shows an
> interest in these discussions. My hope is that there will be a global
> project for volunteers motivated in researching and improving the
> efficiency of governance practices, creating recommendations in cooperation
> with the WMF. Similar to the working groups - if you wish -, with
> significantly more volunteer participation and a focus on implementation
> details, not high-level concepts.
>
> My interest is more localized than what you expect as I'm not interested in
> questions of high-level governance of the all-Wikiverse such as budgets,
> representation, and global structures. The devil is in the details, that's
> where my focus is: I believe *how* we implement the Medium-term plan
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019
> >
> will
> determine which targets are met. I've experienced the need to meet some of
> those targets and understand others' need for the rest. I wish to put my 2
> cents into the implementation.
>
> In this spirit, I've advocated for transparency and cooperation between the
> communities and the WMF in the office actions consultation which you can
> read
> here
> <
> https://xtools.wmflabs.org/topedits/meta.wikimedia.org/Aron_Manning/1/Talk:Office%20actions/Community%20consultation%20on%20partial%20and%20temporary%20office%20actions/09%202019
> >
> (in
> chronological order) and drafted a design proposal
> 
> for the planned User reporting system
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_health_initiative/User_reporting_system_consultation_2019
> >
> that yet again focuses on transparency while giving privacy to the reporter
> in the initial stages (before a report is evaluated) and making it
> technically possible to include limited non-public evidence. I would be
> delighted if you would share your thoughts on the discussion page.
>
>
> Aron
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Tool from Community Tech: Who Wrote That?

[petr . kadlec]

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 11:05 AM Diane Ranville 
wrote:

> This is great. But it looks like it's only available on EN:WP?
>

As the extension provides just a way to display the data provided by the
WikiWho service [1], which supports just five sites (enwiki, dewiki,
euwiki, trwiki, eswiki), this extension supports only those sites as well.
Pity.

-- [[ cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec ]]

[1]: https://api.wikiwho.net/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Tool from Community Tech: Who Wrote That?

[Hakan IST]

Hello Ilana,

Tool looks wonderful. I also saw Turkish Wikipedia is included. It's
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
~Hakan

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:53 PM Ilana Fried  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
>
> I’m very excited to share a new tool created by the Community Tech team:
> Who Wrote That[1],
> available as a
> <
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/who-wrote-that-beta/ekkbnedhfelfaidbpaedaecjiokkionn
> >Chrome[2]
> and Firefox[3] browser extension. We developed this tool in response to the
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2017/Search/Blame_tool
> >#4
> wish[4] from the 2017 Community Wishlist Survey[5]. With Who Wrote That?
> (WWT), you can find authorship information directly on Wikipedia articles.
> When you hover over content, the tool highlights all content by the same
> author. When you click on content, the tool identifies the author of the
> revision, along with revision details.
>
>
> We would love your feedback[6]! You can download the
> <
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/who-wrote-that-beta/ekkbnedhfelfaidbpaedaecjiokkionn
> >Chrome[2]
> and Firefox[3] extension, and documentation on the tool is available on the
> MediaWiki WWT page[1]. The data and analysis in WWT come from the WhoColor
> API[7], developed by WikiWho[8], and the MediaWiki API.
>
>
> We hope that you all enjoy using the tool!
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Ilana Fried
>
> Product Manager, Community Tech
>
>
> [1]. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WWT
>
> [2].
>
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/who-wrote-that/ekkbnedhfelfaidbpaedaecjiokkionn
>
> [3]. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/whowrotethat/
>
> [4].
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2017/Search/Blame_tool
>
> [5]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2017
>
> [6].
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Tech/Who_Wrote_That_tool
>
> [7]. https://api.wikiwho.net/en/whocolor/v1.0.0-beta/
>
> [8]. https://www.wikiwho.net/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Tool from Community Tech: Who Wrote That?

[Diane Ranville]

This is great. But it looks like it's only available on EN:WP?

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 4:17 AM Todd Allen  wrote:

> I've just tested it out for Chrome. The load time is slightly on the long
> side, but overall, this is an excellent tool that I think will be very
> helpful indeed. Really well done!
>
> Todd
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ilana Fried  wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> >
> > I’m very excited to share a new tool created by the Community Tech team:
> > Who Wrote That[1],
> > available as a
> > <
> >
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/who-wrote-that-beta/ekkbnedhfelfaidbpaedaecjiokkionn
> > >Chrome[2]
> > and Firefox[3] browser extension. We developed this tool in response to
> the
> > <
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2017/Search/Blame_tool
> > >#4
> > wish[4] from the 2017 Community Wishlist Survey[5]. With Who Wrote That?
> > (WWT), you can find authorship information directly on Wikipedia
> articles.
> > When you hover over content, the tool highlights all content by the same
> > author. When you click on content, the tool identifies the author of the
> > revision, along with revision details.
> >
> >
> > We would love your feedback[6]! You can download the
> > <
> >
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/who-wrote-that-beta/ekkbnedhfelfaidbpaedaecjiokkionn
> > >Chrome[2]
> > and Firefox[3] extension, and documentation on the tool is available on
> the
> > MediaWiki WWT page[1]. The data and analysis in WWT come from the
> WhoColor
> > API[7], developed by WikiWho[8], and the MediaWiki API.
> >
> >
> > We hope that you all enjoy using the tool!
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> > Ilana Fried
> >
> > Product Manager, Community Tech
> >
> >
> > [1]. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WWT
> >
> > [2].
> >
> >
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/who-wrote-that/ekkbnedhfelfaidbpaedaecjiokkionn
> >
> > [3]. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/whowrotethat/
> >
> > [4].
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2017/Search/Blame_tool
> >
> > [5]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2017
> >
> > [6].
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Tech/Who_Wrote_That_tool
> >
> > [7]. https://api.wikiwho.net/en/whocolor/v1.0.0-beta/
> >
> > [8]. https://www.wikiwho.net/
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