Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal for a multilingual Wikipedia

[Denny Vrandečić]

Thank you so much for your encouraging words, SJ!

I am still trying to figure out how to proceed, and it depends on how the
proposal is received (so please, take a look and vote!). As I said
previously, I also have talked with people at the Foundation to see what
can be done to turn this from a silly Denny-idea to a proper project, and
all the feedback on the material so far has been super useful. I am not
sure if we should start with the P1.1 - which has a number of legal and
trademark considerations and would benefit from the Foundation already be
committed - but P1.2 is certainly something where we could start.

Regarding the abstracttext code base, I am super happy to see already
people making it easier to dockerize (Thank you Arthur!) and fixing errors
in the spec (Thank you Lucas!), which is awesome. I still feel very wary
about offering a publicly editable instance due to the security issues, but
I am thinking about having a read-only public instance or a
restricted-write public instance.

I am not sure how we could drive it on Wikispore, given that it needs so
much additional software, and it would be rather unwise to add abstracttext
to Wikispore I guess. Did you have something in mind?

Again, thank you!
Denny






On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 4:44 PM Samuel Klein  wrote:

> Great!  The time seems right.  Is the idea to begin with P1.1 and P1.2, on
> a test wiki, and have a branch of abstracttext that anyone can submit
> functions to, while working on the proposal and setting this up formally as
> a sibling projet?
>
> Is there anything Wikispore could do to help get something like this
> underway?  //S
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 3:28 PM Denny Vrandečić 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > after talking about it a few times here, the official proposal for
> creating
> > the multilingual Wikipedia proposal is now on Meta.
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilambda
> >
> > The idea is to create abstract, language-independent content in Wikidata,
> > and then translate it into natural language using function. These
> functions
> > will be defined and maintained in a new Wikimedia project, which I
> > preliminary called Wikilambda.
> >
> > Wikilambda will be a new Wikimedia project that allows to create,
> maintain,
> > catalog, and evaluate functions about all kind of things. You can find a
> > lot of further details in the link above. If you have any questions, I am
> > happy to answer them.
> >
> > The official project proposal process basically says, make the proposal
> > here, and then go and tell everyone, and at some point, the Board might
> > look at this and say, yes good idea.
> >
> > So I would love to collect many of your voices and support signatures, so
> > that I can go to the Board and tell them look at this :) So please sign
> > here:
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikilambda
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Denny
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Meet

[Amir Sarabadani]

Hey,
Unfortunately, this is the way the authentication of jitsi work and I don't
have much control over it, the only thing I can find is enabling "guest
access"
> If guest access is enabled, unauthenticated users will need to wait until
a user authenticates before they can join a room. If guest access is not
enabled, every user will need to authenticate before they can join.

Also, I recommand you treat your user/pass like a wifi password (you can
create more accounts for groups instead of sharing yours), share it but
don't put in public places.

Best

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 7:13 PM Tony Thomas <01tonytho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Amir (and team),
>
> Is there an option to make it require username/password to create a meeting
> and not join ?
>
> Like, I can share the link around and post it publicly and people can join
> ? Right now, I have to share my username/password which sounds a bit weird
> (and people might be able to create meetings too with those) ?
>
> --
> Tony Thomas
> https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:01tonythomas
> --
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:40 PM Amir Sarabadani 
> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> > A quick update. In order to improve its security, from now on,
> > ticketmasters don't need to know your username and password (and don't
> send
> > them your desired username and password anymore). You ask them a token
> and
> > they generate you an one-time-use token for you and then you can use that
> > in https://meet-auth.wmflabs.org/create to create your account for
> > yourself.
> >
> > Stay safe, stay home.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 1:11 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
> > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> > >  I told so many times WMF should support infrastructure for the
> > > volunteers, so thank you very much for this step in that direction.
> > > A.M.
> > >
> > > Il domenica 26 aprile 2020, 01:08:01 CEST, Tito Dutta <
> > > trulyt...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> > >
> > >  Hello,
> > > That's super great news. I definitely want to try it. Thanks a lot for
> > > working on this.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Tito Dutta
> > > Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to
> > remind
> > > me over email or phone call.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 01:57, Amir Sarabadani 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey,
> > > > "Wikimedia Meet" [0] (https://meet.wmcloud.org), is a project in
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > CloudVPS for Wikimedians to meet virtually instead of using
> commercial
> > > > services like Zoom which might have security and privacy implications
> > > > [1][2]. Currently it's a jitsi (jitsi.org) installation.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to just use/test it, let me know and I create you a user
> > and
> > > > password. You can share the username and password with anyone you
> want
> > to
> > > > meet but please do not post it publicly. In your email you can also
> > give
> > > me
> > > > your desired user and password. **Do not reuse any password**. You
> can
> > > also
> > > > contact any of the ticketmasters instead of me:
> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet#List_of_ticketmasters
> > > >
> > > > In order to make this project more robust, I'm looking for
> > Ticketmasters
> > > > too, Ticketmasters create accounts for others (It doesn't require any
> > > > technical knowledge, you fill a form in web for others)
> > > >
> > > > If you want to help maintaining it (which would be greatly
> appreciated)
> > > let
> > > > me know and I give you the needed access. I put the technical
> > > documentation
> > > > in mediawiki.org [3]. There are several bits you can help with, like
> > > > puppetizing it, scalability, observability, improving authentication,
> > > > trying to see if BBB can be used as well, and so much more. You can
> > find
> > > > the tickets in the phabricator board and assign a ticket to yourself
> if
> > > you
> > > > feel like helping out.
> > > >
> > > > [0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
> > > > [1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2020/03/27/zoom/
> > > > [2]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/zoom-technology-security-coronavirus-video-conferencing
> > > > [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
> > > >
> > > > Hope that would be useful for our users :)
> > > > Best
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annoying ads

[Todd Allen]

I don't see a particular issue with requesting totally voluntary donations.
It's not like we're putting up a paywall, so if someone can't afford it
right now, they lose nothing by not donating. It may even be that for some
(as per the feedback in the previous email from Nick) that making a small
donation to something helps people to feel better when they have little
other opportunity for social connection.

Todd

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 2:13 PM Nick Wilson (Quiddity) 
wrote:

> This has been on our departments' minds for the past few months. Since the
> beginning of the pandemic, we have been changing our campaign schedules
> (including shortening the Italian campaign) and steadily revising our
> messaging. We are closely monitoring reader and donor feedback, responding
> to what we hear, and making adjustments as we go. There is a lot of
> interest in fundraising right now and how we adapt in the current
> environment and going forward (including amongst Affiliates and closely
> related external orgs whom we talk to). It’s uncertain when things will go
> back to “normal” so it is important we start learning how to fundraise in
> this environment. We are working on a plan to share more information and
> updates. Our team is working with limited capacity right now so these
> deeper updates may not happen right away, but we are making this a
> priority.
>
> We'd also like to acknowledge GerardM’s point about giving people an
> opportunity to give, and note that we’re also hearing this from some donors
> - Some are giving because they are now realizing the huge value of the
> projects. These are some examples we can share:
>
> "I was prompted quite a few times to donate but so far I always rejected
> even if it didn't feel right. Probably this virus situation made me more
> aware of my environment; what's important and what's not."
>
> "I give because I appreciate that there is even a Wikipedia. Solid
> information ties in with our hope and is key to calming these uncertain
> times. Thanks again. Stay well and safe."
>
> "We need Wikipedia, and if everyone give some, well you know... In Norway
> we have a special word for this act... "dugnad" (when everyone contributes,
> it will not be so big efforts for a few) Like we have this corona situation
> now. We must help each other, take care of each other, and do what the
> governments tell us to do. Then the virus will go away much faster."
>
> "I really got into the Internet in 1995 with my 1st home PC…I never thought
> that one day, the global network would be our life-saving resource facing a
> global health crisis...You and all the Wikimedia teams do a TERRIFIC work.
> Wikipedia is the single most important website."
>
> I hope that helps.
> Best,
> Nick
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 8:47 AM Gerard Meijssen 
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > To me this is similar to the argument why we do not really raise funds in
> > some countries that "are poor". Some people are poor, certainly, but many
> > others are not. The argument that we can afford has a relation to our
> > aspirations, ambitions what can we do better, more particularly in the
> > countries where people are stuck in their homes. If anything this is the
> > time to adapt to changing circumstances. People are at home, there is
> this
> > "captive audience" with many people that are helped mentally when they
> have
> > something worthwhile to do.
> >
> > We can reach out for readers, editors and donors.
> > Thanks,
> >GerardM
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 14:58, WereSpielChequers <
> > werespielchequ...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Given the large reserves that the WMF carries, and the savings from
> > > cancelling events such as Wikimania 2020, I would have thought that the
> > WMF
> > > was one organisation that could afford to pause its fundraising for a
> few
> > > months. At least in countries where the economy is in freefall.
> > >
> > > In a few months time lots of people will still be in a financial mess.
> > But
> > > the large number of people who are currently going to be worried about
> > > their financial future will hopefully be divided into those who have
> kept
> > > their jobs. or got new ones and those who were right to be worried.
> > > Hopefully some of those who come through this financially OK will be
> in a
> > > position to donate.
> > >
> > > WSC
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annoying ads

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

This has been on our departments' minds for the past few months. Since the
beginning of the pandemic, we have been changing our campaign schedules
(including shortening the Italian campaign) and steadily revising our
messaging. We are closely monitoring reader and donor feedback, responding
to what we hear, and making adjustments as we go. There is a lot of
interest in fundraising right now and how we adapt in the current
environment and going forward (including amongst Affiliates and closely
related external orgs whom we talk to). It’s uncertain when things will go
back to “normal” so it is important we start learning how to fundraise in
this environment. We are working on a plan to share more information and
updates. Our team is working with limited capacity right now so these
deeper updates may not happen right away, but we are making this a priority.

We'd also like to acknowledge GerardM’s point about giving people an
opportunity to give, and note that we’re also hearing this from some donors
- Some are giving because they are now realizing the huge value of the
projects. These are some examples we can share:

"I was prompted quite a few times to donate but so far I always rejected
even if it didn't feel right. Probably this virus situation made me more
aware of my environment; what's important and what's not."

"I give because I appreciate that there is even a Wikipedia. Solid
information ties in with our hope and is key to calming these uncertain
times. Thanks again. Stay well and safe."

"We need Wikipedia, and if everyone give some, well you know... In Norway
we have a special word for this act... "dugnad" (when everyone contributes,
it will not be so big efforts for a few) Like we have this corona situation
now. We must help each other, take care of each other, and do what the
governments tell us to do. Then the virus will go away much faster."

"I really got into the Internet in 1995 with my 1st home PC…I never thought
that one day, the global network would be our life-saving resource facing a
global health crisis...You and all the Wikimedia teams do a TERRIFIC work.
Wikipedia is the single most important website."

I hope that helps.
Best,
Nick

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 8:47 AM Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> To me this is similar to the argument why we do not really raise funds in
> some countries that "are poor". Some people are poor, certainly, but many
> others are not. The argument that we can afford has a relation to our
> aspirations, ambitions what can we do better, more particularly in the
> countries where people are stuck in their homes. If anything this is the
> time to adapt to changing circumstances. People are at home, there is this
> "captive audience" with many people that are helped mentally when they have
> something worthwhile to do.
>
> We can reach out for readers, editors and donors.
> Thanks,
>GerardM
>
>
> On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 14:58, WereSpielChequers <
> werespielchequ...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Given the large reserves that the WMF carries, and the savings from
> > cancelling events such as Wikimania 2020, I would have thought that the
> WMF
> > was one organisation that could afford to pause its fundraising for a few
> > months. At least in countries where the economy is in freefall.
> >
> > In a few months time lots of people will still be in a financial mess.
> But
> > the large number of people who are currently going to be worried about
> > their financial future will hopefully be divided into those who have kept
> > their jobs. or got new ones and those who were right to be worried.
> > Hopefully some of those who come through this financially OK will be in a
> > position to donate.
> >
> > WSC
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annoying ads

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

My apologies John for my overly basic initial response. I wanted to note
that regarding the banner design [1] we’ve definitely heard and taken the
feedback on board as a team. Our design team discussed it on Monday and are
exploring ways in which we might iterate on this in future tests.

We are always sympathetic about any potential impact that fundraising
campaigns have on reader experience. This is why we use tools to limit
impressions seen by readers, limit traffic or campaign length, and only
send a limited number of emails to past donors. Most non-profits and pretty
much every other online fundraising model involves running campaigns all
year around, all the time.

Regarding this related issue both Sam and you brought up about the use of
cookies in Central Notice and exploring the usage of hash id’s. It’s an
interesting idea but certainly one fraught with potential public
misconceptions along with ethical and technical challenges. Even with
navigating those I’m not sure Fundraising is really the team to take a lead
on this kind of device fingerprinting within MediaWiki and falls well
outside our team’s area of responsibility and expertise. There are also big
changes expected in the way browsers provide the necessary information so
we are going to need to see how this comes out in the wash. Either way,
we’ve created a phabricator ticket to facilitate future discussion about
this topic.[2]

Thanks again for your recommendation. Please do continue to leave any
feedback, ideas, or questions on the fundraising talk page.[3]

Best wishes,
Nick

[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NASA&banner=B1920_0331_enWW_dsk_p2_sm_twin1&uselang=en&force=1
[2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252123
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 2:32 PM John Erling Blad  wrote:

> It happen after a reboot where the browsers was reset.
> No, I did not take a screenshot.
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 7:43 PM Samuel Klein  wrote:
>
> > >
> > > This is a complaint about multiple banners on the same page.
> >
> >
> >
> > > I believe it would be better to put the add on the lower part of the
> > > viewport, for all users, and for a limited time. Posting ads at random
> > > locations
> >
> >
> > I couldn't figure out how to experience this feature -- can you share a
> > screenshot?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sharing experiences from Wikimedia Sverige's digital AGM

[Rajeeb Dutta]

Thanks Eric for the update and sharing with us.

Best Regards,
Rajeeb Dutta.
(U: Marajozkee)
(Sent from my iPhone pardon the brevity) 

> On 07-May-2020, at 2:21 PM, Eric Luth  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> One and a half week ago, Wikimedia Sverige held its annual meeting. Due to
> the circumstances, it was held entirely virtually for the first time. For
> this occasion – to make sure that everything worked out well and that all
> members and participants felt safe with the tools we used – we developed a
> set of material. We hope that this might be of use for other communities as
> well. Parts of it has been translated into English, and most of it is
> gathered on a new page we created here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Digital_Annual_General_Meeting.
> 
> This material covers a range of topics, from an investigation of which
> video conference platform to choose, to procedural rules and division of
> roles during the meeting. Our experience is that this supporting material
> has been helpful in creating a well-hosted meeting.
> 
> We are also eager to see what other communities have created that can be
> valuable to the community, so please, feel free to share your own material,
> as well as your experiences from your virtual and online AGMs.
> 
> Best,
> *Eric Luth*
> Projektledare engagemang och påverkan | Project Manager, Involvement and
> Advocacy
> Wikimedia Sverige
> eric.l...@wikimedia.se
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[Wikimedia-l] Sharing experiences from Wikimedia Sverige's digital AGM

[Eric Luth]

Hi all,

One and a half week ago, Wikimedia Sverige held its annual meeting. Due to
the circumstances, it was held entirely virtually for the first time. For
this occasion – to make sure that everything worked out well and that all
members and participants felt safe with the tools we used – we developed a
set of material. We hope that this might be of use for other communities as
well. Parts of it has been translated into English, and most of it is
gathered on a new page we created here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Digital_Annual_General_Meeting.

This material covers a range of topics, from an investigation of which
video conference platform to choose, to procedural rules and division of
roles during the meeting. Our experience is that this supporting material
has been helpful in creating a well-hosted meeting.

We are also eager to see what other communities have created that can be
valuable to the community, so please, feel free to share your own material,
as well as your experiences from your virtual and online AGMs.

Best,
*Eric Luth*
Projektledare engagemang och påverkan | Project Manager, Involvement and
Advocacy
Wikimedia Sverige
eric.l...@wikimedia.se
+46 (0) 765 55 50 95

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