[Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections

[F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l]

Hi all,

As following the previous email from Galder, I completely agree that this topic 
-if there is a trust in the work of Wikipedians and their communities, which I 
am sure we all do- should be primarily debated, if not fully, in the 
corresponding linguistical version of Wikipedia. As Jane and Risker said, there 
are several Wikiprojects in which users centralize these discussions and tackle 
these topics.

The starting point from which someone may consider that the US election topic 
is an "international issue" that allows it to be more thoroughly debated in 
this list regarding Wikipedia's content than other similar ones, or that must 
be an example of coverage for the rest, is for me another (already too) common 
US-centrism that I think we should avoid here.

Thank you for understanding it,

Xavier Dengra

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
El dimarts, 21 de setembre 2021 a les 3:53 PM, Jane Darnell  
va escriure:

> I do feel US elections and their coverage is an international issue, 
> especially in light of recent events that threaten democracy and could 
> indirectly affect things like copyright on the internet. I do share concerns 
> about “social media events” and it would be helpful to spell out how these 
> could be covered in an encyclopedia when social media is not considered a 
> reliable source for an article. Add to that a decline in subscriptions to 
> local newspapers (I believe this is not only a US issue but an international 
> problem) as well as geoblocking content of national newspapers and you have 
> major issues with updates to Wikipedia election articles anywhere. I have no 
> idea how to tackle these issues but have complete confidence in the various 
> election-related WikiProjects so if there’s such a project on meta maybe they 
> have already joined forces on this.
> Jane
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 21, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Gerard Meijssen  
>> wrote:
>
>> 
>> Hoi,
>> What is painfully obvious is the bias that exists. For countries in Africa 
>> we do not even know all the government ministers past and present for the 
>> last 70 years let alone that we know about past elections. At that, it is 
>> fine with me that subjects like this are raised.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 09:19, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> I would add to the idea that this is an international mailing list where 
>>> most of the users are not from the US the idea that there are other 
>>> Wikipedias around that are not in English, so the coverage of details of 
>>> the US elections at the English Wikipedia should be discussed... at the 
>>> English Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your understanding.
>>>
>>> Galder
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> From: Risker 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:14 AM
>>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
>>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections
>>>
>>> There are already wikiprojects on English Wikipedia that work on 
>>> elections.[1][2] I suggest you might want to continue this conversation 
>>> there, with people who have a strong interest in US elections, and a good 
>>> grasp on what is and is not likely to make a successful article. As noted 
>>> before, this is an international mailing list, and there are better places 
>>> to talk about American politics.
>>>
>>> Oh...incidentally. That photo had no impact at all. The election was 
>>> yesterday, and the results were pretty much as predicted at least a week 
>>> ago; there were no surprises.
>>>
>>> Risker/Anne
>>>
>>> [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/History_and_society#Politics_and_government
>>> [2] 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_presidential_elections
>>>
>>> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 01:45, Adam Sobieski  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you.

 In the recent Canadian federal election [1], there was a last-minute 
 happening [2] in the news and on social media [3] which seems difficult to 
 precisely attribute to a responsible party. It appears that one or more 
 photographs were leaked to a news organization which probably does not 
 want to reveal their source. I am thinking about how best to include such 
 complex events and happenings in encyclopedia articles about 
 election-related strategies, tactics, events, and happenings.

 On the topic of US election-related encyclopedia articles, I think that it 
 will be easier and that there will be more interested Wikimedians as the 
 next election season approaches (2022) or, perhaps, as the next 
 Presidential election season approaches (2024). Then, instead of exploring 
 news archives, interested Wikimedians could add relevant events and 
 happenings to encyclopedia articles as they occur.

 My current plan for improving Wikipedia’s overall election coverage 
 includes participating, 

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
The point is not that shenanigans in US elections are not worthy of an
article, the point is that our bias towards the USA is such that we do not
even know who the government ministers are of countries like Eswatini.
Countries most "first worlders" do not know to pinpoint on a map.

It is the same as with male scientists; it is not that they are not
notable, it is that female scientists, equally notable, are not given a
place in our Wikipedias.
Thanks,
   GerardM

On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 15:55, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> I do feel US elections and their coverage is an international issue,
> especially in light of recent events that threaten democracy and could
> indirectly affect things like copyright on the internet. I do share
> concerns about “social media events” and it would be helpful to spell out
> how these could be covered in an encyclopedia when social media is not
> considered a reliable source for an article. Add to that a decline in
> subscriptions to local newspapers (I believe this is not only a US issue
> but an international problem) as well as geoblocking content of national
> newspapers and you have major issues with updates to Wikipedia election
> articles anywhere. I have no idea how to tackle these issues but have
> complete confidence in the various election-related WikiProjects so if
> there’s such a project on meta maybe they have already joined forces on
> this.
> Jane
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 21, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Gerard Meijssen 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Hoi,
> What is painfully obvious is the bias that exists. For countries in Africa
> we do not even know all the government ministers past and present for the
> last 70 years let alone that we know about past elections. At that, it is
> fine with me that subjects like this are raised.
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 09:19, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
> galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would add to the idea that this is an international mailing list where
>> most of the users are not from the US the idea that there are other
>> Wikipedias around that are not in English, so the coverage of details of
>> the US elections at the English Wikipedia should be discussed... at the
>> English Wikipedia.
>>
>> Thanks for your understanding.
>>
>> Galder
>> --
>> *From:* Risker 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:14 AM
>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections
>>
>> There are already wikiprojects on English Wikipedia that work on
>> elections.[1][2]  I suggest you might want to continue this conversation
>> there, with people who have a strong interest in US elections, and a good
>> grasp on what is and is not likely to make a successful article. As noted
>> before, this is an international mailing list, and there are better places
>> to talk about American politics.
>>
>> Oh...incidentally. That photo had no impact at all. The election was
>> yesterday, and the results were pretty much as predicted at least a week
>> ago; there were no surprises.
>>
>> Risker/Anne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/History_and_society#Politics_and_government
>> [2]
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_presidential_elections
>>
>> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 01:45, Adam Sobieski 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the recent Canadian federal election [1], there was a last-minute
>> happening [2] in the news and on social media [3] which seems difficult to
>> precisely attribute to a responsible party. It appears that one or more
>> photographs were leaked to a news organization which probably does not want
>> to reveal their source. I am thinking about how best to include such
>> complex events and happenings in encyclopedia articles about
>> election-related strategies, tactics, events, and happenings.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the topic of US election-related encyclopedia articles, I think that
>> it will be easier and that there will be more interested Wikimedians as the
>> next election season approaches (2022) or, perhaps, as the next
>> Presidential election season approaches (2024). Then, instead of exploring
>> news archives, interested Wikimedians could add relevant events and
>> happenings to encyclopedia articles as they occur.
>>
>>
>>
>> My current plan for improving Wikipedia’s overall election coverage
>> includes participating, alongside interested others, in US 2024
>> Presidential election-related encyclopedia articles so that the quality of
>> these prominent encyclopedia articles might inspire the broader community
>> with regard to covering subsequent elections. If anyone has a better plan,
>> please let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>> If there is interest, perhaps we could organize a community project, a
>> Wikiproject [4] or a Task Force [5], to think about and to discuss these
>> topics – and, perhaps, to collaborate to build 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections

[Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga]

By the way, and not being completely off-topic. Thanks to the "Content 
translation" tool, the integration of Elia there (wich has neural translation 
between 6 languages, including Basque) and automatic templates developed by the 
Catalan wikimedians... I translated this article about the Canadian federal 
election in, exactly, 8 minutes.

https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021eko_Kanadako_hauteskunde_federalak

The coverage in wikidata is still poor, but everything will appear soon there, 
automagically.

I encourage smaller Wikipedias to have automatic templates, it makes live 
easier.

From: Jane Darnell 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 3:53 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections

I do feel US elections and their coverage is an international issue, especially 
in light of recent events that threaten democracy and could indirectly affect 
things like copyright on the internet. I do share concerns about “social media 
events” and it would be helpful to spell out how these could be covered in an 
encyclopedia when social media is not considered a reliable source for an 
article. Add to that a decline in subscriptions to local newspapers (I believe 
this is not only a US issue but an international problem) as well as 
geoblocking content of national newspapers and you have major issues with 
updates to Wikipedia election articles anywhere. I have no idea how to tackle 
these issues but have complete confidence in the various election-related 
WikiProjects so if there’s such a project on meta maybe they have already 
joined forces on this.
Jane

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:


Hoi,
What is painfully obvious is the bias that exists. For countries in Africa we 
do not even know all the government ministers past and present for the last 70 
years let alone that we know about past elections. At that, it is fine with me 
that subjects like this are raised.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 09:19, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I would add to the idea that this is an international mailing list where most 
of the users are not from the US the idea that there are other Wikipedias 
around that are not in English, so the coverage of details of the US elections 
at the English Wikipedia should be discussed... at the English Wikipedia.

Thanks for your understanding.

Galder

From: Risker mailto:risker...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:14 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections

There are already wikiprojects on English Wikipedia that work on 
elections.[1][2]  I suggest you might want to continue this conversation there, 
with people who have a strong interest in US elections, and a good grasp on 
what is and is not likely to make a successful article. As noted before, this 
is an international mailing list, and there are better places to talk about 
American politics.

Oh...incidentally. That photo had no impact at all. The election was yesterday, 
and the results were pretty much as predicted at least a week ago; there were 
no surprises.

Risker/Anne





[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/History_and_society#Politics_and_government
[2] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_presidential_elections

On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 01:45, Adam Sobieski 
mailto:adamsobie...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Thank you.



In the recent Canadian federal election [1], there was a last-minute happening 
[2] in the news and on social media [3] which seems difficult to precisely 
attribute to a responsible party. It appears that one or more photographs were 
leaked to a news organization which probably does not want to reveal their 
source. I am thinking about how best to include such complex events and 
happenings in encyclopedia articles about election-related strategies, tactics, 
events, and happenings.



On the topic of US election-related encyclopedia articles, I think that it will 
be easier and that there will be more interested Wikimedians as the next 
election season approaches (2022) or, perhaps, as the next Presidential 
election season approaches (2024). Then, instead of exploring news archives, 
interested Wikimedians could add relevant events and happenings to encyclopedia 
articles as they occur.



My current plan for improving Wikipedia’s overall election coverage includes 
participating, alongside interested others, in US 2024 Presidential 
election-related encyclopedia articles so that the quality of these prominent 
encyclopedia articles might inspire the broader community with regard to 
covering subsequent elections. If anyone has a better plan, please let me know.



If there is interest, perhaps we could organize a 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Regarding a series of serious office actions / 有关于一系列的办事处行动

[Andreas Kolbe]

Dear Maggie and all,

There have been a number of responses from the mainland Chinese media in
the past week, and I found myself thinking about the two below, as well as
the term "infiltration":

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202109/1234607.shtml

https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1711166904747459645

(The second of these is in Chinese; I'll append a machine translation
below.)

The first article frames recent developments as a blow to Wikipedia's
"neutrality". I've long wondered what neutrality actually means on a global
stage, and how far the community is prepared to go in pursuing this ideal.

In the English Wikipedia, neutrality is defined as "representing fairly,
proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the
significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic."

This sounds great until you come to realise that it all hinges on a single
word: "reliable". If you say that certain sources – or certain countries'
sources – are "not reliable", the whole edifice falls down.

Now the average reliability of academic or journalistic research can
certainly vary from one country to the next. The local political and
economical climate always influences what is published. Countries are also
at different stages of development. In many fields, what counted as good
research in a given locale fifty or hundred years ago may seem ridiculously
flawed and "unreliable" today.

So different times and different locales have different standards. At the
same time we can take it as a given that everyone is indoctrinated and
conditioned by the environment and culture they're born into. While we're
all human, human societies are inherently tribal. Everyone is made to
believe to some extent that their own tribe – or at least a specific
subgroup within it – "tells the truth", and that others often "lie".

Yet we know that our own politicians have also lied to us, and that the
media we ourselves consume and soak up daily are subject to political and
economical influence and manipulation. To some extent we are all willing
victims of our own culture's propaganda.

Given that this conditioning happens and has happened in every society that
has ever existed, it comes as no surprise that with a predominantly
Western, Caucasian, politically centre-left user base, the sources most
guaranteed to be considered "reliable" in Wikipedia are those written and
published by centre-left Caucasian Westerners. A state broadcaster like the
BBC is considered infinitely more "reliable" than a state broadcaster like
Russia Today, or the Global Times.

If you now hear a voice in your head reflexively responding, "But the BBC
simply IS far more reliable than Russian or Chinese state sources", then
what does "neutrality" actually mean when speaking on an international
stage? Shouldn't we be open about the way we are privileging "our" sources
because we believe them to be more truthful?

This is essentially what the second Chinese article linked above is
arguing: it says (somewhat polemically) that it would be better to call
Wikipedia the "US State Department Encyclopedia" or something like that.
And actually, many of us will recall that the Clinton State Department was
indeed represented at Wikimania 2012 – and that there have been ongoing
personal ties between the WMF and the Clintons, as well as the US Council
on Foreign Relations, ever since.[1]

So while the Chinese editors are saying – not entirely without rational
justification – that the WMF has been "infiltrated" by the US State
Department, the WMF is saying that Wikipedia has been "infiltrated" – if
not by the Chinese government as such (though it seems more likely than not
to me that the mainland user group has government links), then by a user
group that is largely sympathetic to it.

Which brings me to my main point: maybe the term "infiltration" is simply
not very helpful if we are trying to build a resource that reflects all of
humanity, as One Humanity. Can we find a different way of talking about
this?

I don't want to be accused of being entirely lost in relativism, so I want
to conclude by saying that I take a very dim view of the idea of reporting
Wikipedians to state authorities for their support or opposition to any
political  regime in power anywhere.

Andreas

[1]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0NsY48OQdc=457s
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/federal-faces-richard-boly/2012/06/25/gJQAz2r82V_story.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-06-27/Forum

English machine translation (DeepL) of the second article:

Wikipedia, starting a "purge" of Chinese people?

Global Times Commentary

Published: 09-18
00:25
The official account of the Global Times
Recently, Wikipedia, the world-renowned online encyclopedia project,
suddenly did something extremely bad and politically charged - it blocked a
number of mainland Chinese editors who had been building its pages in
Chinese for free.

Not only that, 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections

[Jane Darnell]

I do feel US elections and their coverage is an international issue, especially 
in light of recent events that threaten democracy and could indirectly affect 
things like copyright on the internet. I do share concerns about “social media 
events” and it would be helpful to spell out how these could be covered in an 
encyclopedia when social media is not considered a reliable source for an 
article. Add to that a decline in subscriptions to local newspapers (I believe 
this is not only a US issue but an international problem) as well as 
geoblocking content of national newspapers and you have major issues with 
updates to Wikipedia election articles anywhere. I have no idea how to tackle 
these issues but have complete confidence in the various election-related 
WikiProjects so if there’s such a project on meta maybe they have already 
joined forces on this.
Jane

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Gerard Meijssen  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hoi,
> What is painfully obvious is the bias that exists. For countries in Africa we 
> do not even know all the government ministers past and present for the last 
> 70 years let alone that we know about past elections. At that, it is fine 
> with me that subjects like this are raised.
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
> 
>> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 09:19, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
>>  wrote:
>> I would add to the idea that this is an international mailing list where 
>> most of the users are not from the US the idea that there are other 
>> Wikipedias around that are not in English, so the coverage of details of the 
>> US elections at the English Wikipedia should be discussed... at the English 
>> Wikipedia.
>> 
>> Thanks for your understanding.
>> 
>> Galder
>> From: Risker 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:14 AM
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections
>>  
>> There are already wikiprojects on English Wikipedia that work on 
>> elections.[1][2]  I suggest you might want to continue this conversation 
>> there, with people who have a strong interest in US elections, and a good 
>> grasp on what is and is not likely to make a successful article. As noted 
>> before, this is an international mailing list, and there are better places 
>> to talk about American politics.  
>> 
>> Oh...incidentally. That photo had no impact at all. The election was 
>> yesterday, and the results were pretty much as predicted at least a week 
>> ago; there were no surprises. 
>> 
>> Risker/Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/History_and_society#Politics_and_government
>> [2] 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_presidential_elections
>> 
>> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 01:45, Adam Sobieski  
>> wrote:
>> Thank you.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> In the recent Canadian federal election [1], there was a last-minute 
>> happening [2] in the news and on social media [3] which seems difficult to 
>> precisely attribute to a responsible party. It appears that one or more 
>> photographs were leaked to a news organization which probably does not want 
>> to reveal their source. I am thinking about how best to include such complex 
>> events and happenings in encyclopedia articles about election-related 
>> strategies, tactics, events, and happenings.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On the topic of US election-related encyclopedia articles, I think that it 
>> will be easier and that there will be more interested Wikimedians as the 
>> next election season approaches (2022) or, perhaps, as the next Presidential 
>> election season approaches (2024). Then, instead of exploring news archives, 
>> interested Wikimedians could add relevant events and happenings to 
>> encyclopedia articles as they occur.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My current plan for improving Wikipedia’s overall election coverage includes 
>> participating, alongside interested others, in US 2024 Presidential 
>> election-related encyclopedia articles so that the quality of these 
>> prominent encyclopedia articles might inspire the broader community with 
>> regard to covering subsequent elections. If anyone has a better plan, please 
>> let me know.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If there is interest, perhaps we could organize a community project, a 
>> Wikiproject [4] or a Task Force [5], to think about and to discuss these 
>> topics – and, perhaps, to collaborate to build templates or prototypes of 
>> enhanced election coverage – en route to 2024.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> In the interim, I can see whether I can find enough content to create and 
>> structure articles about these topics pertaining to recent US Presidential 
>> elections (2016 and 2020).
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election
>> 
>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise
>> 
>> [3] 
>> 

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
What is painfully obvious is the bias that exists. For countries in Africa
we do not even know all the government ministers past and present for the
last 70 years let alone that we know about past elections. At that, it is
fine with me that subjects like this are raised.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 09:19, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I would add to the idea that this is an international mailing list where
> most of the users are not from the US the idea that there are other
> Wikipedias around that are not in English, so the coverage of details of
> the US elections at the English Wikipedia should be discussed... at the
> English Wikipedia.
>
> Thanks for your understanding.
>
> Galder
> --
> *From:* Risker 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:14 AM
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections
>
> There are already wikiprojects on English Wikipedia that work on
> elections.[1][2]  I suggest you might want to continue this conversation
> there, with people who have a strong interest in US elections, and a good
> grasp on what is and is not likely to make a successful article. As noted
> before, this is an international mailing list, and there are better places
> to talk about American politics.
>
> Oh...incidentally. That photo had no impact at all. The election was
> yesterday, and the results were pretty much as predicted at least a week
> ago; there were no surprises.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
>
>
>
>
> [1]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/History_and_society#Politics_and_government
> [2]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_presidential_elections
>
> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 01:45, Adam Sobieski 
> wrote:
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> In the recent Canadian federal election [1], there was a last-minute
> happening [2] in the news and on social media [3] which seems difficult to
> precisely attribute to a responsible party. It appears that one or more
> photographs were leaked to a news organization which probably does not want
> to reveal their source. I am thinking about how best to include such
> complex events and happenings in encyclopedia articles about
> election-related strategies, tactics, events, and happenings.
>
>
>
> On the topic of US election-related encyclopedia articles, I think that it
> will be easier and that there will be more interested Wikimedians as the
> next election season approaches (2022) or, perhaps, as the next
> Presidential election season approaches (2024). Then, instead of exploring
> news archives, interested Wikimedians could add relevant events and
> happenings to encyclopedia articles as they occur.
>
>
>
> My current plan for improving Wikipedia’s overall election coverage
> includes participating, alongside interested others, in US 2024
> Presidential election-related encyclopedia articles so that the quality of
> these prominent encyclopedia articles might inspire the broader community
> with regard to covering subsequent elections. If anyone has a better plan,
> please let me know.
>
>
>
> If there is interest, perhaps we could organize a community project, a
> Wikiproject [4] or a Task Force [5], to think about and to discuss these
> topics – and, perhaps, to collaborate to build templates or prototypes of
> enhanced election coverage – en route to 2024.
>
>
>
> In the interim, I can see whether I can find enough content to create and
> structure articles about these topics pertaining to recent US Presidential
> elections (2016 and 2020).
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election
>
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise
>
> [3]
> https://torontosun.com/news/election-2021/lilley-another-blackface-photo-embarrassing-to-trudeau-but-not-his-voters
>
>
>
> [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject
>
> [5]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide/Task_forces
>
>
>
> *From: *Eduardo Testart 
> *Sent: *Sunday, September 19, 2021 12:31 PM
> *To: *Wikimedia Mailing List 
> *Subject: *[Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections
>
>
>
> Hi Adam,
>
>
>
> If this is a subject you care about, you are probably the right person to
> start writing those articles you would like to see.
>
>
>
> If you wait to see "how Wikimedians choose to create and structure them",
> you might very well never see the articles come to life.
>
>
>
> It's never too late to start editing 
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> El dom., 19 de sep. de 2021 09:55, Adam Sobieski 
> escribió:
>
> Thank you. It is interesting to consider how a more granular coverage of
> elections, coverage which includes notable mass media events, e.g., news
> stories and social media events, caused by and/or strategically reacted to
> by political campaigns, parties, and organizations, 

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections

[Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga]

I would add to the idea that this is an international mailing list where most 
of the users are not from the US the idea that there are other Wikipedias 
around that are not in English, so the coverage of details of the US elections 
at the English Wikipedia should be discussed... at the English Wikipedia.

Thanks for your understanding.

Galder

From: Risker 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:14 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections

There are already wikiprojects on English Wikipedia that work on 
elections.[1][2]  I suggest you might want to continue this conversation there, 
with people who have a strong interest in US elections, and a good grasp on 
what is and is not likely to make a successful article. As noted before, this 
is an international mailing list, and there are better places to talk about 
American politics.

Oh...incidentally. That photo had no impact at all. The election was yesterday, 
and the results were pretty much as predicted at least a week ago; there were 
no surprises.

Risker/Anne





[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/History_and_society#Politics_and_government
[2] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_presidential_elections

On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 01:45, Adam Sobieski 
mailto:adamsobie...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Thank you.



In the recent Canadian federal election [1], there was a last-minute happening 
[2] in the news and on social media [3] which seems difficult to precisely 
attribute to a responsible party. It appears that one or more photographs were 
leaked to a news organization which probably does not want to reveal their 
source. I am thinking about how best to include such complex events and 
happenings in encyclopedia articles about election-related strategies, tactics, 
events, and happenings.



On the topic of US election-related encyclopedia articles, I think that it will 
be easier and that there will be more interested Wikimedians as the next 
election season approaches (2022) or, perhaps, as the next Presidential 
election season approaches (2024). Then, instead of exploring news archives, 
interested Wikimedians could add relevant events and happenings to encyclopedia 
articles as they occur.



My current plan for improving Wikipedia’s overall election coverage includes 
participating, alongside interested others, in US 2024 Presidential 
election-related encyclopedia articles so that the quality of these prominent 
encyclopedia articles might inspire the broader community with regard to 
covering subsequent elections. If anyone has a better plan, please let me know.



If there is interest, perhaps we could organize a community project, a 
Wikiproject [4] or a Task Force [5], to think about and to discuss these topics 
– and, perhaps, to collaborate to build templates or prototypes of enhanced 
election coverage – en route to 2024.



In the interim, I can see whether I can find enough content to create and 
structure articles about these topics pertaining to recent US Presidential 
elections (2016 and 2020).





Best regards,

Adam



[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise

[3] 
https://torontosun.com/news/election-2021/lilley-another-blackface-photo-embarrassing-to-trudeau-but-not-his-voters



[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject

[5] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide/Task_forces



From: Eduardo Testart
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 12:31 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections



Hi Adam,



If this is a subject you care about, you are probably the right person to start 
writing those articles you would like to see.



If you wait to see "how Wikimedians choose to create and structure them", you 
might very well never see the articles come to life.



It's never too late to start editing 





Cheers,



El dom., 19 de sep. de 2021 09:55, Adam Sobieski 
mailto:adamsobie...@hotmail.com>> escribió:

Thank you. It is interesting to consider how a more granular coverage of 
elections, coverage which includes notable mass media events, e.g., news 
stories and social media events, caused by and/or strategically reacted to by 
political campaigns, parties, and organizations, coverage which includes 
election tactics and strategies, can enhance Wikipedia and provide its readers 
with fuller pictures of elections.



I am starting to think about possibilities with respect to these new articles. 
I am looking forward to seeing how Wikimedians choose to create and structure 
them. A hope is that future elections will improve as a result.





Best regards,

Adam



From: Risker
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections

[Risker]

There are already wikiprojects on English Wikipedia that work on
elections.[1][2]  I suggest you might want to continue this conversation
there, with people who have a strong interest in US elections, and a good
grasp on what is and is not likely to make a successful article. As noted
before, this is an international mailing list, and there are better places
to talk about American politics.

Oh...incidentally. That photo had no impact at all. The election was
yesterday, and the results were pretty much as predicted at least a week
ago; there were no surprises.

Risker/Anne





[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/History_and_society#Politics_and_government
[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_presidential_elections

On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 01:45, Adam Sobieski 
wrote:

> Thank you.
>
>
>
> In the recent Canadian federal election [1], there was a last-minute
> happening [2] in the news and on social media [3] which seems difficult to
> precisely attribute to a responsible party. It appears that one or more
> photographs were leaked to a news organization which probably does not want
> to reveal their source. I am thinking about how best to include such
> complex events and happenings in encyclopedia articles about
> election-related strategies, tactics, events, and happenings.
>
>
>
> On the topic of US election-related encyclopedia articles, I think that it
> will be easier and that there will be more interested Wikimedians as the
> next election season approaches (2022) or, perhaps, as the next
> Presidential election season approaches (2024). Then, instead of exploring
> news archives, interested Wikimedians could add relevant events and
> happenings to encyclopedia articles as they occur.
>
>
>
> My current plan for improving Wikipedia’s overall election coverage
> includes participating, alongside interested others, in US 2024
> Presidential election-related encyclopedia articles so that the quality of
> these prominent encyclopedia articles might inspire the broader community
> with regard to covering subsequent elections. If anyone has a better plan,
> please let me know.
>
>
>
> If there is interest, perhaps we could organize a community project, a
> Wikiproject [4] or a Task Force [5], to think about and to discuss these
> topics – and, perhaps, to collaborate to build templates or prototypes of
> enhanced election coverage – en route to 2024.
>
>
>
> In the interim, I can see whether I can find enough content to create and
> structure articles about these topics pertaining to recent US Presidential
> elections (2016 and 2020).
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election
>
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise
>
> [3]
> https://torontosun.com/news/election-2021/lilley-another-blackface-photo-embarrassing-to-trudeau-but-not-his-voters
>
>
>
> [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject
>
> [5]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide/Task_forces
>
>
>
> *From: *Eduardo Testart 
> *Sent: *Sunday, September 19, 2021 12:31 PM
> *To: *Wikimedia Mailing List 
> *Subject: *[Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections
>
>
>
> Hi Adam,
>
>
>
> If this is a subject you care about, you are probably the right person to
> start writing those articles you would like to see.
>
>
>
> If you wait to see "how Wikimedians choose to create and structure them",
> you might very well never see the articles come to life.
>
>
>
> It's never too late to start editing 
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> El dom., 19 de sep. de 2021 09:55, Adam Sobieski 
> escribió:
>
> Thank you. It is interesting to consider how a more granular coverage of
> elections, coverage which includes notable mass media events, e.g., news
> stories and social media events, caused by and/or strategically reacted to
> by political campaigns, parties, and organizations, coverage which includes
> election tactics and strategies, can enhance Wikipedia and provide its
> readers with fuller pictures of elections.
>
>
>
> I am starting to think about possibilities with respect to these new
> articles. I am looking forward to seeing how Wikimedians choose to create
> and structure them. A hope is that future elections will improve as a
> result.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From: *Risker 
> *Sent: *Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:51 PM
> *To: *Wikimedia Mailing List 
> *Subject: *[Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections
>
>
>
> Hello Adam -
>
>
>
> This looks like a series of articles that could reasonably be made about
> the elections of any country:  for example, "Election tactics in the 2000
> US Presidential election" or "Election tactics in the 1986 British House of
> Commons election" or whatever. Draft space is right there waiting for you
> or others to create the articles.  I'm sure for many of these elections
> there