[Wikimedia-l] Re: Mozilla's social media pledge

[p858snake]

I know sammy/theresnotime was at one stage talking about spining up a proof
of concept instance as a example on jow the foundation could run one for
the official accounts.


There is a phab task about mirroring/setting up mastadon accounts  which
can been seen at T323837
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Mozilla's social media pledge

[David Gerard]

Legoktm runs https://wikis.world which a small number of Wikimedians
and WIkimedia groups are already on.

But yes - recommended best practice for organisations is to run their
own instance. Putting an instance up on a domain you own is also a
clear stamp of authenticity.

Twitter has stayed up so far, but bits are visibly falling off. The
assorted official Wikimedia accounts should be posting in the main
federation too, from an official presence.




- d.

On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 at 00:01, Erik Moeller  wrote:
>
> Worth a read:
> https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-launch-fediverse-instance-social-media-alternative/
>
> "Our intention is to contribute to the healthy and sustainable growth
> of a federated social space that doesn’t just operate but thrives on
> its own terms, independent of profit- and control-motivated tech
> firms.  An open, decentralized, and global social service that puts
> the needs of people first is not only possible, but it’s absolutely
> necessary."
>
> I don't think Wikimedia Foundation should get into the social media
> business, but it should IMO absolutely maintain an organizational
> presence on the fediverse (Mastodon & friends). It's a bit sad that
> the only social media profiles linked from
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/ are corporate ones -- especially as
> it's becoming quite clear that the fediverse is emerging as a
> singularly credible [1] alternative to Twitter, which is being run
> into the ground by its new owner.
>
> In other words, it would be wonderful to see a similar forward-looking
> statement & associated actions from Wikimedia Foundation soon :-).
>
> Erik
>
> [1] See, e.g., 
> https://www.deweysquare.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/DSG-Snapshot-of-the-Twitter-Migration-December-12-2022.pdf
> for some number-crunching on where folks are and aren't going.
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[Wikimedia-l] Mozilla's social media pledge

[Erik Moeller]

Worth a read:
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-launch-fediverse-instance-social-media-alternative/

"Our intention is to contribute to the healthy and sustainable growth
of a federated social space that doesn’t just operate but thrives on
its own terms, independent of profit- and control-motivated tech
firms.  An open, decentralized, and global social service that puts
the needs of people first is not only possible, but it’s absolutely
necessary."

I don't think Wikimedia Foundation should get into the social media
business, but it should IMO absolutely maintain an organizational
presence on the fediverse (Mastodon & friends). It's a bit sad that
the only social media profiles linked from
https://wikimediafoundation.org/ are corporate ones -- especially as
it's becoming quite clear that the fediverse is emerging as a
singularly credible [1] alternative to Twitter, which is being run
into the ground by its new owner.

In other words, it would be wonderful to see a similar forward-looking
statement & associated actions from Wikimedia Foundation soon :-).

Erik

[1] See, e.g., 
https://www.deweysquare.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/DSG-Snapshot-of-the-Twitter-Migration-December-12-2022.pdf
for some number-crunching on where folks are and aren't going.
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[Wikimedia-l] Tom Lehrer blanket PD declaration

[Samuel Klein]

A number of projects could benefit. Doesn't mention CC0 but seems like a
superset (affirms that he held exclusive © on all songs + lyrics)
https://tomlehrersongs.com/

Happy holidays. (And thanks, TL!)



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[Wikimedia-l] Re: ChatGPT and Wikipedia

[Pharos]

I'd like to share my experiment with using ChapGPT to help write an article
on English Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artwork_title

You can see an explanation of the process here, your comments are welcome:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Artwork_title#Use_of_ChatGPT

Thanks,
Richard
(User:Pharos)

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 1:45 PM ZhaoFJx  wrote:

> I'd be curious about copyright issues though, as it's licensed on Github
> . It may indeed
> be infringing copyright, since he may require attribution. However, I agree
> with The Cunctator that the community won't do anything about it.
>
> Incidentally, I'm a little worried that he might grab broken content that
> wasn't rolled back. After all - the current artificial intelligence can not
> reach the level of human thinking
>
> Sincerely,
> ZhaoFJx
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> Anders Wennersten  于2022年12月19日周一 08:52写道：
>
>> I think we should not underestimate what this could evolve into. We
>> thrived because our readers find us "good enough" when it comes to finding
>> facts, not the ultimate source.
>>
>> And the software learns by reading, and can (and have done so) Wikipedia,
>> Wikidata etc and represent our data in its own syntax och present it in a
>> way so it is not a direct copy. Perhaps data will be a bit delayed to the
>> actual content in Wikipedia, but so what - good enough?
>>
>> Anders
>>
>> Den 2022-12-19 kl. 14:26, skrev Gnangarra:
>>
>> AI simply cant descriminate between good research and faked research, for
>> any outcome it must provide all of its sources whether they are from
>> Wikipedia, Wikidata, WikiCommons, WikiSource or some other place.
>> Otherwise it will answer yes to some asking if the world is flat because
>> it'll seek out that answer and find all the nonsense that has been produced.
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 at 06:02, Erik Moeller  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:55 AM Anders Wennersten
>>>  wrote:
>>> > ChatGPT is now making headlines more or less every day  and I perceive
>>> > them to try to position themself  av the "next" google.
>>>
>>> I suspect OpenAI will continue to focus on generative applications
>>> (images, code, text for purposes such as copywriting, eventually
>>> music/video) and won't attempt to compete with Google directly, but
>>> we'll see. Currently GPT-3.5 (which ChatGPT is based on) is very prone
>>> to generating nonsensical answers, citations to works that don't
>>> exist, etc. But it is pretty cool if you keep its limitations in
>>> mind--for example, it's quite good at bootstrapping small scripts in
>>> various programming languages (with mistakes and idiosyncrasies).
>>>
>>> Google has one of the largest AI research programs on the planet, they
>>> just are extremely conservative about letting anyone try their models
>>> (due to reputational concerns, e.g., that generative AI will spit out
>>> racist output within about 30 seconds of people poking its
>>> guardrails). This blog post from September is instructive about the
>>> direction they're taking with what's called retrieval-augmented
>>> generation; see the paper linked from the post for details:
>>>
>>> https://www.deepmind.com/blog/building-safer-dialogue-agents (DeepMind
>>> is part of Google)
>>>
>>> That is likely to yield significantly more accurate answers than what
>>> ChatGPT is doing, and is difficult to replicate for folks like OpenAI
>>> without being dependent on the search APIs of big search companies.
>>> It's worth noting that Google has also started to incorporate language
>>> model tooling into how it's presenting search results (e.g.,
>>> summarizing or highlighting different parts of a website to make the
>>> result snippet more useful).
>>>
>>> A retrieval-augmented approach that leverages Wikidata could IMO be
>>> quite powerful and could be a useful research program for Wikimedia to
>>> pursue, be it independently or in partnership with others. The
>>> resulting technology should of course be fully open source.
>>>
>>> Querying Wikidata via SPARQL is currently still a bit of wizardry (and
>>> the query builder is extremely limited). To pick a completely random
>>> example not at all inspired by current events, if I wanted to see a
>>> list of journalists with Mastodon accounts & a picture, I currently
>>> have to do this:
>>>
>>> SELECT DISTINCT ?personLabel ?mastodonName ?pic
>>> WHERE {
>>>   ?person wdt:P4033 ?mastodonName ;
>>> wdt:P106 ?occupation .
>>>   OPTIONAL { ?person wdt:P18 ?pic . }
>>>   ?occupation wdt:P279* wd:Q1930187 .
>>>SERVICE wikibase:label {
>>>  bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en"
>>>}
>>> }
>>>
>>> Make a small mistake (a curly brace missing) and you'll get a red
>>> error message. Forgot 

[Wikimedia-l] Art+Feminism User Group Report

[Kira Wisniewski]

Greetings,

Art+Feminism submitted our user group report today. It can be viewed here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Art%2BFeminism_User_Group/Reporting/FinalReport2021-2022

Warmly,
KW

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www.artandfeminism.org/
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Obnoxious fundraisers again: Undismissable notice

[Alastair D]

A further concern about these fundraising banners on en.m.wikipedia.org relates 
to its presentation of the non-signed-in reader's options as either "Give xx" 
or "Maybe later" or two large buttons (see the floating banner overlapping the 
bottom of the article screenshot I copied onto the en.wiki discussion 
yesterday), with "Maybe later" then opening a box for your email address and a 
"Submit" button. (Yes, the experienced user can use other ways to terminate, 
but this dialog is the designed user journey. Presenting concerns about this as 
3 thematic questions for the WMF: (1) Has there been Legal sign-off that 
eliciting personal email addresses via such an upfront Money-or-Address dialog 
is fully compliant (e.g. where GDPR applies) and amounts to informed consent? 
Has the associated data collection, use and destruction been fully articulated 
and approved? (2) Some en.m.wikipedia.org users live under regimes where 
leaving any trail - money or email address - could be personally dangerou
 s: have these Safety issues been approved? (3) More broadly, is pushing a 
casual reader down what presents as a money-or-address path before they see the 
information that they originally sought consistent with the overall 
open-access-to-information ethos of the project?
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Obnoxious fundraisers again: Undismissable notice

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: ChatGPT and Wikipedia

[ZhaoFJx]

I'd be curious about copyright issues though, as it's licensed on Github
. It may indeed be
infringing copyright, since he may require attribution. However, I agree
with The Cunctator that the community won't do anything about it.

Incidentally, I'm a little worried that he might grab broken content that
wasn't rolled back. After all - the current artificial intelligence can not
reach the level of human thinking

Sincerely,
ZhaoFJx
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Anders Wennersten  于2022年12月19日周一 08:52写道：

> I think we should not underestimate what this could evolve into. We
> thrived because our readers find us "good enough" when it comes to finding
> facts, not the ultimate source.
>
> And the software learns by reading, and can (and have done so) Wikipedia,
> Wikidata etc and represent our data in its own syntax och present it in a
> way so it is not a direct copy. Perhaps data will be a bit delayed to the
> actual content in Wikipedia, but so what - good enough?
>
> Anders
>
> Den 2022-12-19 kl. 14:26, skrev Gnangarra:
>
> AI simply cant descriminate between good research and faked research, for
> any outcome it must provide all of its sources whether they are from
> Wikipedia, Wikidata, WikiCommons, WikiSource or some other place.
> Otherwise it will answer yes to some asking if the world is flat because
> it'll seek out that answer and find all the nonsense that has been produced.
>
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 at 06:02, Erik Moeller  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:55 AM Anders Wennersten
>>  wrote:
>> > ChatGPT is now making headlines more or less every day  and I perceive
>> > them to try to position themself  av the "next" google.
>>
>> I suspect OpenAI will continue to focus on generative applications
>> (images, code, text for purposes such as copywriting, eventually
>> music/video) and won't attempt to compete with Google directly, but
>> we'll see. Currently GPT-3.5 (which ChatGPT is based on) is very prone
>> to generating nonsensical answers, citations to works that don't
>> exist, etc. But it is pretty cool if you keep its limitations in
>> mind--for example, it's quite good at bootstrapping small scripts in
>> various programming languages (with mistakes and idiosyncrasies).
>>
>> Google has one of the largest AI research programs on the planet, they
>> just are extremely conservative about letting anyone try their models
>> (due to reputational concerns, e.g., that generative AI will spit out
>> racist output within about 30 seconds of people poking its
>> guardrails). This blog post from September is instructive about the
>> direction they're taking with what's called retrieval-augmented
>> generation; see the paper linked from the post for details:
>>
>> https://www.deepmind.com/blog/building-safer-dialogue-agents (DeepMind
>> is part of Google)
>>
>> That is likely to yield significantly more accurate answers than what
>> ChatGPT is doing, and is difficult to replicate for folks like OpenAI
>> without being dependent on the search APIs of big search companies.
>> It's worth noting that Google has also started to incorporate language
>> model tooling into how it's presenting search results (e.g.,
>> summarizing or highlighting different parts of a website to make the
>> result snippet more useful).
>>
>> A retrieval-augmented approach that leverages Wikidata could IMO be
>> quite powerful and could be a useful research program for Wikimedia to
>> pursue, be it independently or in partnership with others. The
>> resulting technology should of course be fully open source.
>>
>> Querying Wikidata via SPARQL is currently still a bit of wizardry (and
>> the query builder is extremely limited). To pick a completely random
>> example not at all inspired by current events, if I wanted to see a
>> list of journalists with Mastodon accounts & a picture, I currently
>> have to do this:
>>
>> SELECT DISTINCT ?personLabel ?mastodonName ?pic
>> WHERE {
>>   ?person wdt:P4033 ?mastodonName ;
>> wdt:P106 ?occupation .
>>   OPTIONAL { ?person wdt:P18 ?pic . }
>>   ?occupation wdt:P279* wd:Q1930187 .
>>SERVICE wikibase:label {
>>  bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en"
>>}
>> }
>>
>> Make a small mistake (a curly brace missing) and you'll get a red
>> error message. Forgot the * after wdt:P279? A different response set
>> in ways that are difficult to spot or reason about.
>>
>> Why can't I type "list of journalists with their picture and Mastodon
>> account" as a natural language query? (You can try it in ChatGPT and
>> it'll get you started, but it'll generate nonsense P/Q numbers.) If
>> such queries could be produced reliably, it could be a very useful
>> tool for readers as well.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Erik
>> 

[Wikimedia-l] WIKIMOVE Recap 2022

[Eva Martin]

Dear friends and listeners,

We would like to wrap up the year with a recap of our first year with
WIKIMOVE , the podcast about the
future of the Wikimedia movement, produced by Wikimedia Deutschland.

A massive thank you to our guests for sharing their takes on the future of
our movement. And we’d like to thank our audience for their engagement and
constructive feedback. We will be back in February with new episodes and
adjustments, based on the evaluation survey
 (still open!).

This year we released 7 episodes and talked to 15 guests.

Our episodes were listened to in at least 52 countries, about 1580 times.

Here is a list of 2022 WIKIMOVE episodes, in case you missed them:

#1 Knowledge as a service
, with Tochi
Precious and Guillaume Paumier

#2 Communitizing’ strategy,
 with Érica
Azzellini and Lucas Piantá

#3 UNLOCKing innovation
, with Kannika
Thaimai and Ivana Madzarevic

#4 Content and Knowledge Gaps
,
with Kiril Simeonovski, Daniel Bögre Udell and Lucy Crompton-Reid

#5 Peer support
,
with Rebecca O’Neil and Jessica Stephenson

#6 Hubs ,
with Johnny Alegre and Natalia Szafran-Kozakowska

#7 Growing Communities
,
with Anass Sedrati and Pepe Flores

All episodes are also available on the following platforms:

Spotify

| Apple
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Podcast

| Stitcher 

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 | Podchaser
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We wish you a happy end of year and look forward to further conversations
around movement strategy next year.

Your WIKIMOVE Team

Nikki, Nicole & Eva
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