Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Discovery search efforts and upcoming releases

[Erik Bernhardson]

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Deborah Tankersley <
dtankers...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> It's just searching on Wikipedia for now, as the Structured Data project on
> Commons is just ramping up.
>
> Also for some clarity, most of the improvements are not limited to
wikipedias, for example the work with ascii folding, and language analysis
chains applies to all projects for a given language. When we improved how
we handled the polish language that was for all projects that use polish as
their content language. Similarly while the sister project search we are
rolling out will only be showing on wikipedias, it is explicitly about
including content from the sister projects (wiktionary, wikibooks, etc) on
the search result page to show users that there is great content available
from these sister projects.

Commons search is hard, and we will get there. We will be working closely
with the structured data team to improve searching commons with structured
data.


> Cheers,
>
> Deb
>
>
> --
> deb tankersley
> irc: debt
> Product Manager, Discovery
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Michael Maggs  wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > You've mentioned searching on "Wikipedia" there. Did you mean
> "Wikimedia",
> > or are there still no Commons search improvements as yet?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > Deborah Tankersley 
> >> 6 April 2017 at 11:15 pm
> >> tl;dr: Search continues to expand functionality by displaying more
> >> information on the search results page
> >>
> >> Ever started searching for something on Wikipedia and wondered—*really*,
> >> is
> >>
> >> that all that there is? Does it feel like you’re somehow playing hide
> and
> >> seek with all the knowledge that’s out there? And...wouldn’t it be great
> >> to
> >> see articles or categories that are similar to your search query and
> maybe
> >> some related images or links to other languages in which to read that
> >> article? Or, maybe you just want to read and contribute to projects
> other
> >> than Wikipedia but need a jump start with a few short summaries from
> >> sister
> >> projects.
> >> The Discovery Search team has been testing out some really cool new
> >> features that will enable some fun and fascinating clicking—down the
> >> rabbit
> >> hole of Wikipedia.[1] But first, let’s recap what we’ve been doing
> >> recently.
> >>
> >> We've been doing tons of work creating, updating, and finessing the
> search
> >> back end to enhance search queries. There have been many complex things
> >> that have happened, things like: adding ascii-folding and stemming,
> >> detecting when a visitor might be typing in a language that is different
> >> than the Wikipedia that they are on, switching from tf-idf to BM25,
> >> dropping trailing question marks, and updating to ElasticSearch version
> 5.
> >> [2][3][4][5][6][7] Whew!
> >>
> >> We have much more planned in the coming months—machine learning with
> >> ‘learning to rank’, investigating and deploying new language analyzers,
> >> and, after exhaustive analysis, removing quotes within queries by
> >> default.[8][9][10][11] We’ll also be working closely with the new
> >> Structured Data team in their brand new work on Commons.[12][13]
> >>
> >> We also want to improve the part that our readers and editors interface
> >> with: the search results page! We started brainstorming during the late
> >> summer of 2016 on what we could do to make search results better—to
> easily
> >> find interesting, relevant content and to create a more intuitive
> viewing
> >> experience.[14] We designed and refined numerous ideas on how to improve
> >> the search results page and received lots of good feedback from the
> >> community.[15]
> >>
> >> Empowered by the feedback, we began testing starting with a display of
> >> results from the Wikimedia sister projects next to the regular search
> >> results.[16] The idea for this test was to enable discovery into other
> >> projects—projects that our visitors might not have known about—by
> >> displaying interesting results in small snippets. The sidebar display of
> >> the sister projects borrows from a similar feature in use on the
> Italian,
> >> Catalan and French Wikipedias. We've run two A/B tests on the sister
> >> project search results with detailed analysis and, after a bit of final
> >> touches to the code, we will release the new functionality into
> production
> >> on all Wikipedias near the end of April 2017.
> >>
> >> Our next A/B test will be to add additional information and related
> >> results
> >> for each search query. This will be in the form of an ‘explore similar’
> >> link that, when someone interacts with the link, an expanded display
> will
> >> appear with related pages, categories and links to the article in other
> >> languages—all of which might lead to further knowledge discovery.[17] We
> >> know that not every search query will return exactly what folks were
> >> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

[Erik Bernhardson]

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>
> A point I should make is that I think that Matthew and others made some
> good-faith efforts with the current draft. I would have proposed far less
> WMF involvement with the draft


One thing I just don't understand here, why should the people that
participate in technical spaces more than most (because it's their job to
do so) not be involved?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

[Erik Bernhardson]

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, I had no idea it was going on until very recently. It seems the
> initial communications were pretty much restricted to those already
> involved in technical areas or mailing lists.
>
> "The community", when we're talking about something that will affect
> everyone, means, well, everyone who cares to participate in the discussion.
> The final version should be advertised as widely as possible, and the
> community (not a subset of it) should decide if it's acceptable.
>
> Again this hasn't defined what the community is.  The opening statement of
the draft says

This is a *code of conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces*. It applies both
> within physical spaces, such as Wikimedia technical events and Wikimedia
> technical presentations in other events, and virtual spaces (MediaWiki.org,
> wikitech.wikimedia.org <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/>, Phabricator
> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator>, Gerrit
> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Gerrit>, technical
> mailing lists
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Overview#MediaWiki_and_technical>
> , technical IRC channels
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Channels#MediaWiki_and_technical>,
> and Etherpad <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Etherpad>
> ).


Is this the community you are referring to?


> The fact that some people have participated on specific parts does not
> negate the need for ratification of the full and final version. Work on
> individual sections hammers out what you're going to present to the
> community. It does not bypass the need to actually do that.
>
> Todd
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Erik Bernhardson <
> ebernhard...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <
> domedonf...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This code has been under discussion at
> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct/Draft since the
> > summer
> > > of 2015, and is finally nearing completion.  The original consensus in
> > 2015
> > > had been that the completed code would be submitted to the community
> for
> > > ratification and adoption.  However, since the end of 2015 the drafting
> > of
> > > the code has largely been in the hands of a small group of WMF staff,
> and
> > > they have taken it on themselves to change that consensus and stated
> that
> > > the code will come into effect as soon as the last section is agreed,
> > which
> > > will be quite soon.
> > >
> > > Do the WMF and the wider Community wish to adhere to the initial
> > consensus,
> > > and put the draft code out to the comunity for adoption?  Or will the
> WMF
> > > choose to enact it on their own authority irrespective of any community
> > > views on the subject?
> > >
> > > It's not particularly clear hear, which community? The developers of
> > mediawiki-core? extension developers? people who attend hackathons and
> > such? It seems all of these groups have been bombarded with calls to
> > participate in the process over the last year and have had plenty of
> > opportunity to be heard. That only a small group of WMF staff have
> decided
> > to participate, almost entirely in their free time as volunteers and not
> > paid employees, doesn't seem to change that.
> >
> >
> > > If the code is to be voted on by the Community, what would be the
> > > appropriate venue for the vote, and where should the vote be
> publicised?
> > >
> > > "Rogol"
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

[Erik Bernhardson]

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> This code has been under discussion at
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct/Draft since the summer
> of 2015, and is finally nearing completion.  The original consensus in 2015
> had been that the completed code would be submitted to the community for
> ratification and adoption.  However, since the end of 2015 the drafting of
> the code has largely been in the hands of a small group of WMF staff, and
> they have taken it on themselves to change that consensus and stated that
> the code will come into effect as soon as the last section is agreed, which
> will be quite soon.
>
> Do the WMF and the wider Community wish to adhere to the initial consensus,
> and put the draft code out to the comunity for adoption?  Or will the WMF
> choose to enact it on their own authority irrespective of any community
> views on the subject?
>
> It's not particularly clear hear, which community? The developers of
mediawiki-core? extension developers? people who attend hackathons and
such? It seems all of these groups have been bombarded with calls to
participate in the process over the last year and have had plenty of
opportunity to be heard. That only a small group of WMF staff have decided
to participate, almost entirely in their free time as volunteers and not
paid employees, doesn't seem to change that.


> If the code is to be voted on by the Community, what would be the
> appropriate venue for the vote, and where should the vote be publicised?
>
> "Rogol"
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New functionality: cross-wiki search results

[Erik Bernhardson]

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> Is Wikidata information included?
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
>
Currently that is not part of the plan, this is specifically addressing
sister wikis, such as frwikivoyage, frwikiquote, frwiki, frwikiversity,
frwikisource, frwikinews and frwikibooks.



> On 7 September 2016 at 18:35, Deborah Tankersley <
> dtankers...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > The Discovery Search Team wants to enable search results
> > ​on Wikipedia ​
> > that will include articles
> > ​ ​
> > gathered across
> >  all sister wiki
> > ​​
> >  projects – within the same language –
> > but we need your feedback.​
> >
> > ​​
> >
> > ​Please read t
> > he specifics of how this new functionality
> > 
> [1]
> > might work
> > ​ ​
> > and
> > ​ add​
> >
> > ​comments, concerns,
> >  or alternative ideas for design options
> >  > Improvements/Design>
> >  [2]
> > ​ on the talk pages​
> > .
> > ​
> >
> > See an image
> >  > enwiki_right-hand-box-general-projects.png>
> > [3]
> > that shows one of many example display options that have been mocked up,
> > after considering what other wiki communities have done.
> >
> > Thank you for your time
> > ​ and c
> > heers from the Search Team!​
> >
> >
> > [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Cross-wiki_Search_Result_Improvements
> > [2]
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Cross-wiki_Search_Result_
> > Improvements/Design
> > ​
> > ​[3]
> > *https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Search_results_page-
> > enwiki_right-hand-box-general-projects.png
> >  > enwiki_right-hand-box-general-projects.png>*
> >
> >
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> > Product Manager, Discovery
> > IRC: debt
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discourse installation

[Erik Bernhardson]

This test instance is not yet using OAuth to utilize SUL credentials.
Discourse only supports OAuth2, and MediaWiki only supports OAuth1, so some
engineering time needs to be spent to build a bridge between the two.

For now, with the test, you will need to create a new account.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Denny Vrandecic 
wrote:

> Sorry, I don't know where else to ask - I was thinking of trying out the
> Discourse installation, and wasn't sure if I should create a new account or
> if I could just use my SUL credentials? And if the former, wouldn't that
> later clash when we merge to something like OAuth?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanks, likes and progress on Wikimedia Discourse pilot

[Erik Bernhardson]

The instance is back up after a labs admin restarted the instance for me.
Everything started correctly on boot as expected.

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 11:44 PM, John Mark Vandenberg 
wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Lodewijk 
> wrote:
> > Is there any progress on finding a mailing list that likes to be guinnea
> > pig (a.k.a. innovation leader) and try it out? I don't think it has to be
> > an alternative for this particular mailing list in this phase, any
> mailing
> > list of some size would do.
>
> wikisource-l was interested, but is concerned about whether high
> fidelity dumps of Discourse could be made available in a standard
> format.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanks, likes and progress on Wikimedia Discourse pilot

[Erik Bernhardson]

The instance looks to be in a 'SHUTOFF' state, this has happened before (to
other instances) for a variety of reasons, such as a vm moving between
hosts and something goes wrong. There arn't any labs admins around right
now, i'll have one look tomorrow morning and turn it back on.

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Àlex Hinojo <alexhin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 502 to me also
>
> 2016-02-08 6:48 GMT+01:00 Chris Schilling <cschill...@wikimedia.org>:
>
> > Hey Ad,
> >
> > I'm getting a 502 Bad Gateway error when trying to access
> > https://discourse.wmflabs.org/.  Not sure if this is a general error
> with
> > wmflabs or something specific to Discourse.
> >
> > - Jethro
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Ad Huikeshoven <a...@wikimedia.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello readers of wikimedia-l,
> > >
> > > One of the outcomes of the 'better thankspam' thread was to experiment
> > with
> > > a pilot installationg of Discourse. This has been set up at
> > > https://discourse.wmflabs.org/ by Erik Bernhardson.
> > > In the past weeks a couple of dozen of people have signed in and have
> > been
> > > taking a look around. In a recent thread on wikimedia-l Fæ posted
> results
> > > of SQL queries of number of users thanked and number of users thanking
> on
> > > different wikis.
> > > On Discourse users can like (by clicking a heart) for individual posts.
> > > Number of hearts received and number of hearts given are by default and
> > > automatically counted by Discourse, and these numbers are public, see
> > > https://discourse.wmflabs.org/users?period=yearly.
> > >
> > > For the Wikimedia Discourse installation to be a succesful pilot it has
> > to
> > > be a real alternative for the wikimedia-l mailing list. Users want to
> > read
> > > posts in their mail, and want to be able to reply to posts by mail,
> > without
> > > having to visit the site. Users who have signed up at
> > > https://discourse.wmflabs.org/ will receive new posts by default in
> > their
> > > mailbox. Mail preferences can be individually set. Wikimedia Discourse
> > > users can reply by mail to posts received by mail. Members of Wikimedia
> > > Discourse can mail new posts. Please let me know if anything is missing
> > at
> > > Wikimedia Discourse that the current wikimedia-l mailing list does
> have.
> > > Sign up for an account at https://discourse.wmflabs.org/ to discover
> the
> > > extras Discourse offers. Wikimedia Discourse users can earn barnstars
> for
> > > example, isn't that nice?
> > >
> > > Please note that by subscribing to the wikimedia-l mailing list your
> > > mailing list subscription isn't linked to any account at any Wikimedia
> > > wiki, neither is your mail address. For the wikimedia-l mailing list
> you
> > > will have to provide a mail address and after confirmation mailman will
> > > mail you a password. If you want to sign up at
> > > https://discourse.wmflabs.org/ you will have to provide a mail address
> > and
> > > pick a password yourself. Currently their is no link between
> > > https://discourse.wmflabs.org/ accounts and any account at any
> Wikimedia
> > > wiki, nor is their link with mail addresses, just like it as with the
> > > wikimedia-l mailing list. A phabricator ticket requesting SSO or Oauth
> > 1.0
> > > or Oauth 2.0 can be found at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124691
> .
> > > Currently there are no resources available for writing an Oauth 1.0
> > plugin
> > > for Wikimedia Discourse, neither are there resources available for
> moving
> > > MediaWiki authentification from Oauth 1.0 to Oauth 2.0. As said, SSO or
> > > Oauth is a 'nice to have' and doesn't have to block a succesful pilot.
> > >
> > > Secure communication is a must. The Discourse installation is now
> > > configured to default to use SSL, so you will always see https://.
> > >
> > > Here is a short list of places where the Discourse installation can be
> > > discussed:
> > > * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Discourse
> > > * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Discourse
> > > * https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124690
> > > and of course at the wikimedia-l mailing list and at
> > > https://discourse.wmflabs.org/.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Ad Huikeshoven
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Piloting a Discourse installation for discussion (was: Better thankspam)

[Erik Bernhardson]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Milos Rancic  wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Andrea Zanni 
> wrote:
> > Why?
> > As a user, you would just need to login and participate, Discourse is
> like
> > a website. You don't need to install anything.
> > I don't understand your point.
>
> I am speaking as an admin, not as a user :P
>
> In brief, software is not stable. And it's not just that, but the
> developers don't know their software well enough to offer a sensible
> installation guide. I wouldn't use such software.
>
> Besides that, if there is no Docker environment (and I don't think so
> there is a Docker environment in WMF, though my information could be
> outdated), you have to create a double layer system just to install it
> according to their specification.
>
> Said so, I am sure there are masochists around, willing to install it :P
>
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FWIW, there is a docker role in wikimedia puppet and it's already used as
part of the labs infrastructure. Not sure how well tested it is yet, but
it's there.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Piloting a Discourse installation for discussion (was: Better thankspam)

[Erik Bernhardson]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Erik Bernhardson
> <ebernhard...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > FWIW, there is a docker role in wikimedia puppet and it's already used as
> > part of the labs infrastructure. Not sure how well tested it is yet, but
> > it's there.
>
> In this case I see a kind of solution:
> * Install Discourse container on Labs per instructions and let it
> handle "http(s)://discourse.wikimedia.org/"
> * Forward every mail intended to reach wikimedia-l to Discourse as well.
> * Forward every Discourse comment to wikimedia-l.
>
> Theoretically, it could work. I mean, under the condition that
> Discourse is capable to read properly mail headers, as well as to send
> a decent emails back to wikimedia-l.
>
> If it works, everybody who prefers to read emails in the old format
> will be able to do that. Those who prefer Discourse web interface
> would be able to do that, as well.
>
> I don't expect discourse.wikimedia.org would be a large consumer of
> traffic (CPU, RAM) at the beginning.
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Vituzzu <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Said so, I am sure there are masochists around, willing to install it :P
> >>
> > Me neither, but it's worth a try neither me and you will have to handle
> :p
>
> That's pretty relevant point! It takes time to switch from "No!" to
> "Oh, I am not the admin here!".
>
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TBH setting up a discourse instance is the easy part. I've thrown up a
temporary instance at http://discourse.wmflabs.org.  I'm not sure how to go
about the rest though. Anyone who is interested in figuring out the rest
let me know and i can get you setup for admin mode.
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