On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, I had no idea it was going on until very recently. It seems the
> initial communications were pretty much restricted to those already
> involved in technical areas or mailing lists.
>
> "The community", when we're talking about something that will affect
> everyone, means, well, everyone who cares to participate in the discussion.
> The final version should be advertised as widely as possible, and the
> community (not a subset of it) should decide if it's acceptable.
>
> Again this hasn't defined what the community is.  The opening statement of
the draft says

This is a *code of conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces*. It applies both
> within physical spaces, such as Wikimedia technical events and Wikimedia
> technical presentations in other events, and virtual spaces (MediaWiki.org,
> wikitech.wikimedia.org <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/>, Phabricator
> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator>, Gerrit
> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Gerrit>, technical
> mailing lists
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Overview#MediaWiki_and_technical>
> , technical IRC channels
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Channels#MediaWiki_and_technical>,
> and Etherpad <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Etherpad>
> ).


Is this the community you are referring to?


> The fact that some people have participated on specific parts does not
> negate the need for ratification of the full and final version. Work on
> individual sections hammers out what you're going to present to the
> community. It does not bypass the need to actually do that.
>
> Todd
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Erik Bernhardson <
> ebernhard...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <
> domedonf...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This code has been under discussion at
> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct/Draft since the
> > summer
> > > of 2015, and is finally nearing completion.  The original consensus in
> > 2015
> > > had been that the completed code would be submitted to the community
> for
> > > ratification and adoption.  However, since the end of 2015 the drafting
> > of
> > > the code has largely been in the hands of a small group of WMF staff,
> and
> > > they have taken it on themselves to change that consensus and stated
> that
> > > the code will come into effect as soon as the last section is agreed,
> > which
> > > will be quite soon.
> > >
> > > Do the WMF and the wider Community wish to adhere to the initial
> > consensus,
> > > and put the draft code out to the comunity for adoption?  Or will the
> WMF
> > > choose to enact it on their own authority irrespective of any community
> > > views on the subject?
> > >
> > > It's not particularly clear hear, which community? The developers of
> > mediawiki-core? extension developers? people who attend hackathons and
> > such? It seems all of these groups have been bombarded with calls to
> > participate in the process over the last year and have had plenty of
> > opportunity to be heard. That only a small group of WMF staff have
> decided
> > to participate, almost entirely in their free time as volunteers and not
> > paid employees, doesn't seem to change that.
> >
> >
> > > If the code is to be voted on by the Community, what would be the
> > > appropriate venue for the vote, and where should the vote be
> publicised?
> > >
> > > "Rogol"
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