On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, I had no idea it was going on until very recently. It seems the > initial communications were pretty much restricted to those already > involved in technical areas or mailing lists. > > "The community", when we're talking about something that will affect > everyone, means, well, everyone who cares to participate in the discussion. > The final version should be advertised as widely as possible, and the > community (not a subset of it) should decide if it's acceptable. > > Again this hasn't defined what the community is. The opening statement of the draft says This is a *code of conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces*. It applies both > within physical spaces, such as Wikimedia technical events and Wikimedia > technical presentations in other events, and virtual spaces (MediaWiki.org, > wikitech.wikimedia.org <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/>, Phabricator > <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator>, Gerrit > <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Gerrit>, technical > mailing lists > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Overview#MediaWiki_and_technical> > , technical IRC channels > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Channels#MediaWiki_and_technical>, > and Etherpad <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Etherpad> > ). Is this the community you are referring to? > The fact that some people have participated on specific parts does not > negate the need for ratification of the full and final version. Work on > individual sections hammers out what you're going to present to the > community. It does not bypass the need to actually do that. > > Todd > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Erik Bernhardson < > ebernhard...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Rogol Domedonfors < > domedonf...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > This code has been under discussion at > > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct/Draft since the > > summer > > > of 2015, and is finally nearing completion. The original consensus in > > 2015 > > > had been that the completed code would be submitted to the community > for > > > ratification and adoption. However, since the end of 2015 the drafting > > of > > > the code has largely been in the hands of a small group of WMF staff, > and > > > they have taken it on themselves to change that consensus and stated > that > > > the code will come into effect as soon as the last section is agreed, > > which > > > will be quite soon. > > > > > > Do the WMF and the wider Community wish to adhere to the initial > > consensus, > > > and put the draft code out to the comunity for adoption? Or will the > WMF > > > choose to enact it on their own authority irrespective of any community > > > views on the subject? > > > > > > It's not particularly clear hear, which community? The developers of > > mediawiki-core? extension developers? people who attend hackathons and > > such? It seems all of these groups have been bombarded with calls to > > participate in the process over the last year and have had plenty of > > opportunity to be heard. That only a small group of WMF staff have > decided > > to participate, almost entirely in their free time as volunteers and not > > paid employees, doesn't seem to change that. > > > > > > > If the code is to be voted on by the Community, what would be the > > > appropriate venue for the vote, and where should the vote be > publicised? > > > > > > "Rogol" > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
