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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's have the courage to sit down and talk about VisualEditor

> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:13 AM, David Gerard wrote: > >> de:wp convinced you. What would it take to convince you on en:wp? (I'm >> asking for a clear objective criterion here. If you can only offer a >> subjective one, please explain how de:wp convinced you when en:wp >> hasn't.) >> > > [Speak

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

> On 26 July 2013 12:48, Fred Bauder wrote: > >> "As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much >> lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to >> Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people >&g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

eauty and quality of the Lindisfarne Gospels; nothing made on a machine loom compares remotely with Navajo weaving. Fred > > > On 26 July 2013 13:48, Fred Bauder wrote: > >> "As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much >> lower price, from the pri

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Fred Bauder > wrote: > >> "As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much >> lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to >> Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the peop

[Wikimedia-l] Progress...

"As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from them." http://chronicle.c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

> Thanks Andreas > > Iit didn't cross my mind that you would actually go and check - at the > time > the search terms were in Portuguese, so you will probably find different > results - If I find the original pic I will send it to you. > > But more importantly, the porn on Flickr is a secondary iss

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

> On 07/23/2013 02:03 PM, Todd Allen wrote: >> I >> don't think such a proposal would be hopeless on en. > > How did dewiki circumvent the difficulties regarding attribution and > role accounts? Last I checked, our terms of use prohibit password > sharing, and IIRC Mike Godwin (legal counsel at th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resend: The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

> It is this that is tarnishing the name of the Wikipedia and > driving away good editors. > > Rui Correia. > When the going gets tough the tough get going. They don't throw their hands up, vainly protest, then give up. Possible conflict of interest is a legitimate concern; however, it is not a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resend: The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

> A case in point, the other day I was looking for images of mosquitos > sucking blood and and came across blatant pornography on Flickr. I added > a > few lines about pornography on Flickr and because it was reverted > > Rui Correia. The Flickr images you linked to, if it was you, were the sort

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resend: The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

> > I use Flickr as an example, but is it not the firwst time that I have > come > across this type of behaviour. > And so, tiny cliques and coteries flourish like fiefdoms in the blind > spots > of the mechanisms created to ensure that we all strive for the same > principes. What is worse, there

[Wikimedia-l] Resend: The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

Resent so I have an original copy to reply to. Dear All It is certainly not news that a lot of deliberately biased editing goes on on the Wikipedia. It is equally known that there are mechanims to address these issues. But that is where the problem lies - those intent on skewing information know

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

> I just checked the archives. The original message was not received by the > mailing list, for whatever reason, probably misaddressed. This message of > inquiry is the first message in the tread. I think you should resend the > original message if your mail program permits that. Sounds interesting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

I just checked the archives. The original message was not received by the mailing list, for whatever reason, probably misaddressed. This message of inquiry is the first message in the tread. I think you should resend the original message if your mail program permits that. Sounds interesting... Fre

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

> On 10 July 2013 12:09, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: >> On 07/09/2013 11:36 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > >>> How >>> is deliberate copyright infringement is not theft? > >> My previous message helpfully contained the definition of theft from >> Canada's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

> David Gerard wrote: > >> Fred, what's your actual point and suggested course of action with >> this thread, and what does it have to do with the original starting >> point? > > I'm totally puzzled to see how this thread was turned on its head. Not > the first time that this happens on this list,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

>> >> If you post a creative work on a website the purpose which is to share >> files you have assumed the rights of the owner, one of which is to >> determine the conditions which must be met to view or listen to the >> work. >> The owner can give his work away to the world but not third parties.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

> > - Original Message - > From: "Fred Bauder" > To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 4:36 AM > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again > > >>> On 07/09/2013 08:37 PM, Fred

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

> On 9 July 2013 23:46, Fred Bauder wrote: > >> > Well, not wanting to wade into that "pirates' little helpers" >> snarkiness, >> > but it takes 30 seconds from anywhere on the web to find a copyright >> > violation. Maybe a bit longer if y

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

> On 07/09/2013 08:37 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> How is that not theft that we are facilitating? > > Because "theft", is to deprive, temporarily or absolutely, the owner of > it, or a person who has a special property or interest in it, of the > thing or of his pro

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

I don't get it. I was able to use a Wikipedia link to find a place to download The Searchers, a John Ford film starring John Wayne in about 30 seconds. How is that not theft that we are facilitating? Fred > Hi there, > two months after the "smoking cannabis" controversy, the Russian > Wikipedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [tangential] Why voting is evil

> On 07/02/2013 11:13 AM, David Gerard wrote: >> He claims this is how he did the Pirate Party, so you appear to be >> claiming that a successful minor political party may work in practice >> but can't possibly work in theory. > > I suppose. :-) I'm surprised it did work; if it actually did it th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [tangential] Why voting is evil

> Rick Falkvinge has been writing a book, "Swarmwise", on how the Pirate > Party organised. He's been posting it a chapter at a time to his blog. > > You know how Wikipedia/Wikimedia has (or had) the meme that "voting is > evil"? This sets out why. > > > http://falkvinge.net/2013/07/01/swarmwis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tapping into the Backbone

would be of interest to an intelligence agencies focused on actual threats. Fred > Where is that question in this topic? > > Huib > > Op zaterdag 22 juni 2013 schreef Fred Bauder (fredb...@fairpoint.net) het > volgende: > >> > Can you please stop spamming Us

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tapping into the Backbone

s are logged or ever used or how is another matter. Fred > Op zaterdag 22 juni 2013 schreef Fred Bauder (fredb...@fairpoint.net) het > volgende: > >> "The GCHQ mass tapping operation has been built up over five years by >> attaching intercept probes to transatlantic fibre

[Wikimedia-l] Tapping into the Backbone

"The GCHQ mass tapping operation has been built up over five years by attaching intercept probes to transatlantic fibre-optic cables where they land on British shores carrying data to western Europe from telephone exchanges and internet servers in north America. This was done under secret agreemen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback

> The reporting in the UK is that it is aimed at 'foreigners'. I think that > is us! Of course that may be for domestic US consumption. Yes, the thing is, we are an international organization, and, frankly, we don't vet people politically before they can create an account or edit. Our trust system

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Fred Bauder > wrote: > >> > (Yes, you can speculate that they're probably doing this too, but >> this >> > particular scandal is the NSA getting information from computer >> networks >> > with the perm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Andy Mabbett > wrote: > >> > PRISM >> >> From @ShammaBoyarin on Twitter: "Its not as if the NSA were mass >> downloading articles from JSTOR." > > > Certainly if the evidence showed that the NSA were breaking into wiring > closets and hacking into computer network

[Wikimedia-l] [Fwd: You've been sent an invitation to read content on GovInfoSecurity.com]

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

> I would like to raise the option of a more "Wikipedia-like" protest. How > about, on the English Wikipedia, picking one day to make the Main Page > topic-specific, similar to the traditional April 1 selection? > > Candidates, off the top of my hat: > [[NSA]] / [[Black Chamber]] > [[PRISM (surveil

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

> Fred Bauder, 12/06/2013 22:47: >> "We hack network backbones – like huge internet routers, basically – >> that >> give us access to the communications of hundreds of thousands of >> computers without having to hack every single one," >> >> h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

> Le 2013-06-11 14:09, Fred Bauder a écrit : >> There will always be humans maintaining the system who must, in order to >> do their work, have potential access to everything. > > A "potential access to everything" is a so vast and vague assertion that it practical

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

> Le 2013-06-11 14:09, Fred Bauder a écrit : >> There will always be humans maintaining the system who must, in order >> to >> do their work, have potential access to everything. > > A "potential access to everything" is a so vast and vague assertion > tha

[Wikimedia-l] Some Unanswered Questions

We can guess, of course, and some of us are very good guessers, but here: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=5-basic-unknowns-nsa-black-hole-prism Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

> Le 2013-06-10 14:29, Craig Franklin a écrit : >> If the NSA, CIA, or some other spook agency is getting information >> off of >> Wikimedia servers, they don't have a CU account or anything like >> that. >> They'd have a program running at the operating system level that >> extracts >> the data

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

> Le 2013-06-10 12:21, Fred Bauder a écrit : >> >> Correct. If Osama Bin Laden had been editing Wikipedia, before his >> death >> of course, through some account in Pakistan, it would have been >> rather >> reasonable to respond favorable to a reque

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

> David Gerard wrote: >>On 10 June 2013 18:01, Rand McRanderson wrote: >>> I think the key here is not to keep more information about users than >>> necessary. >> >>In particular - at present. as I understand it, we don't keep full >>access logs, just 1/1000 samples. >> >>We need to not keep full

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

They tap directly into the internet backbone. Only if there is some particular matter which interests them which they would need our help to decipher would they contact the Foundation. There are a few things out there that I can imagine them being interested in, but very few. For example, there are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

Forwarded to legal at wikimedia.org Fred > I think the key here is not to keep more information about users than > necessary. > > Of course, there is the question of if the NSA asks for our checkuser > data. > > I am relatively confident of WMF's honesty here. They have been pretty > concerned ab

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

> It would be good *if* the WMF can provide assurances to editors that > they havent received any national security letters or other 'trawling' > requests from any U.S. agency. > > If the WMF has received zero such requests, can the WMF say that? > There wouldn't be any gag order. > > https://en.w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

National Security Letters have been served on Libraries. However, as we keep no track whatever off who is reading the site; it is hard to see how serving one on us would accomplish anything; we can't produce records we don't keep. I suppose a secret court order could be applied for which would requ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

You are right, Anthony, never assume you're not dealing with idiots. If NSA is doing doing detailed surveillance of Tea Party activists or defense lawyers we are truly well along the road to hell. Fred > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Fred Bauder > wrote: > >> Correct. If

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > >> Everything passing over the internet is archived. Nearly everything done >> at Wikipedia passes over the internet. >> > > Encrypted, if you're using https everywhere (and Wikipedia hasn't intentiona

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

They tap directly into the internet backbone. Only if there is some particular matter which interests them which they would need our help to decipher would they contact the Foundation. There are a few things out there that I can imagine them being interested in, but very few. For example, there are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

> There is plenty of reason to think the government would be interested in > Wikipedia access logs. > > On the other hand, there's very little reason to believe an organization > when they say they haven't been turning over information under a top > secret > order which they're not allowed to tell

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

e official statement could help put at ease people worries :) > -- > Christophe > > > On 10 June 2013 03:34, Fred Bauder wrote: >> All edits and other actions are archived, but I would think there would >> be zero interest or utility to NSA. I would simply ignore the matter. &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

All edits and other actions are archived, but I would think there would be zero interest or utility to NSA. I would simply ignore the matter. Fred > This is a simple question with a potentially very complicated answer. > > What, if any, are the implications of the PRISM scandal for Wikimedia?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Somebody Will"

> By the way, is there a license attached to this song, or is it bare > copyright? Copyright Sassafrass As it is a song there are special rules for commercial performances, like if you cover it. Cover means sing a song you did no write yourself like on a recording. Fred >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Somebody Will"

> Also, classic Marxism. Draw your own conclusions and parallels as you see > fit. Oh, didn't know if anyone else would see that: http://en.communpedia.org/Lyrics:Somebody_Will Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsub

Re: [Wikimedia-l] evaluation of electronics articles

I think that is a pretty good analysis of the entire project. It is directly related to lack of editorial control and the impossibility of being able to assign writers to problem areas. Fred > I ran across this paragraph in the preface to O'Reilly's new book > "Encyclopedia of Electronic Componen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patience

> I agree that patience is a very important virtue in some situations, such > as when we coach newbies or seek consensus among many people. But it's > sometimes not a virtue, such as in many crisis situations. As a metrics > and performance enthusiast, I feel that it's possible to have an > appropr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patience

We could create a Facebook page, "Wikipedia Chill", where only positive interactions are permitted... Only half joking here. We can consciously design interactions in terms of their emotional tenor should we chose to. In an example taken from life, we can keep vicious dogs for the effect they have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patience

> Florence, > > I agree with you almost completely, but I would also note that it is also > partially about the user's thought processes and business norms that > determine how "fast" it is. My employer, for instance, has a wiki that's > meant to be a collaborative resource where disparate elements

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in blacklist trouble again

I've also done a great deal of editing of Tibetan articles. I wish there was a way to transport you back in time to old Tibet. Fred > > Highlighting the fact that such an old hand was making a rookie-like > "mistake" was actually, y'know, the point. > > >> From: dger...@gmail.com >> Date: Thu, 9

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in blacklist trouble again

> On 05/09/2013 07:19 AM, Anthony Cole wrote: >> We would be failing in our mission to disseminate educational >> information >> effectively and globally if, due to an ideological attachment to >> NOTCENSORED, we took the former option. > > You're saying this as though those things were orthogonal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in blacklist trouble again

> On 9 May 2013 12:19, Anthony Cole wrote: > >> In your hypothetical case of Russian only being spoken in one country >> that >> censors "how to smoke marijuana" information: >> >> If you insist on leaving a paragraph on "how to make a bong" in the >> Russian-language "Marijuana smoking" article,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Human-assisted machine translation (it was: "The case for supporting open source machine translation")

All European languages, with the exception of Basque, are essentially one language with different vocabulary. MT should generally work, but needs help as the example shows. The big, and perhaps insurmountable, problem comes with trying to use it with say, Hopi, which assigns meanings in a wholly di

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The case for supporting open source machine translation

> On 24/04/13 08:29, Erik Moeller wrote: >> Could open source MT be such a strategic investment? I don't know, but >> I'd like to at least raise the question. I think the alternative will >> be, for the foreseeable future, to accept that this piece of >> technology will be proprietary, and to rely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The case for supporting open source machine translation

This is closely tied to software which is being developed, some of it secretly, to enable machines to understand and use language. As of now this will be government and corporate owned and controlled. I say closely tied because that is how translation works; only someone or something that understan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

Weapons design is obvious; however much intelligence is about rather ordinary military capability and deployment. We seem to be doing poorly, from the intelligence standpoint responsibly, regarding laser weapons, the "next big thing" I don't think much has been published in public reliable sources,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

PM, George Herbert > wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Romaine Wiki >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:31:29, Fred Bauder >>> wrote: >>> > I can't see what would be sensitive in the article.. >>> >>>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

Don't worry. Any one who has thought about this sort of thing much has come away more puzzled than when they began. What for example is the "value" of a cigarette? The price is rather easy. Fred > (sorry, this came off a bit too sharp :) Thanks for all the input, > anything > is better than nothi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

If the internet could be sold at auction giving the buyer an exclusive permanent monopoly to license all internet activity what would it sell for? Fred > The Economist had an estimate recently: > > http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21573091-how-quantify-gains-internet-has-brough

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

The value would be obvious if Wikipedia were a for profit company listed on the stock markets. Not that it would have a real value identical to a computation based on imagined advertising revenue. It is in the billions though. Fred > Hi all, > > Last weekend we had a discussion about how to 'sell

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

he skyline for a > distance. It's got a civilian radio/TV tower colocated with it. > > I can't see what would be sensitive in the article.. > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Fred Bauder > wrote: > >> Typical. They were not willing to tell our legal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

cret_d.C3.A9fense > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > >> Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and then there is classified information release of which can ca

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and then there is classified information release of which can cause serious damage. Defiance will eventually result in serious trouble. Not that we should knuckle

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

cus from > public work. I'd argue for closing both the internal wiki and the > internal mailing list: IMO there's nothing on either that needs to be > confidential. > > Thanks, > Sue Yes, our work needs to be pubic and accessible. Fred Bauder USA __

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lessig on Aaron's laws

> Le 2013-03-11 11:45, Andrea Zanni a écrit : >> I feel obliged to remind you of this splendid talk from Lessig on >> "Aaaron's >> Laws". >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9HAw1i4gOU4 >> >> Here you can find the transcript (with slides and everything) >> >> http://www.corr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Church of Reason

> The primary goal of the Church of Reason, Phaedrus said, is always > Socrates's old goal of truth, in its ever-changing forms, as it is > revealed by the process of rationality. I'm sorry, but that ship sailed long ago. Wikipedia is compendium of information published in reliable sources. You n

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian internet censorship

We don't block or censor stuff from the center, however, self-censorship by the editing community undoubtedly goes on at language Wikipedias both to conform to the views of the editing community and to avoid obvious trouble. Fred > If you're big enough you might not have a problem in Russia. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI versus OUTING

ormation on your own if editing was done using an account name. A note regarding evidence that you might need in defending a possible libel action: edits containing personal identifying information may be deleted or suppressed under our policies and can be re

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: "Big data" benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

Socialization is usually best achieved through rewards rather than through punishments. The principle reward is a sense of achievement when good editing is done or good administrative work done. In the case of editing the reward, absent trouble, is instantaneous as your work is published. Fred >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: "Big data" benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

> On 09/01/13 10:03, Kim Bruning wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 07:45:41AM +, David Gerard wrote: >>> Right. So anyone in this thread going into detail about en:wp policies >>> is actually not addressing this, and the problem is on a higher level? >> >> :-/ Back to the drawing board. That a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: "Big data" benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

> > It's the worst kept secret in the world that you can hire people to > decode your captchas -- http://decaptcha.biz/ for example. Better > captchas don't work because you are competing against people and if > people can't solve the captcha ... Middle name of Jimmy Wales has worked well for me

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: "Big data" benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

In practice oligarchy is crude dim wits in charge. Examples are legion. That a carefully selected elite can do things well is not at issue. But an "elected" oligarchy is not that. We have defined and used consensus but have mixed results. Making needed policy changes is an extremely difficult exe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: "Big data" benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

> David Gerard, 04/01/2013 14:10: >> On 4 January 2013 13:03, Fred Bauder wrote: >> >>> With respect to welcoming and assisting new users on the English >>> Wikipedia where there is a bewildering volume of varied activity by >>> new >>> and exper

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: "Big data" benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

> On 4 January 2013 13:39, Fred Bauder wrote: > >> I'm afraid the shooting gallery is already coded into Twinkle/Huggle. >> It >> is the use of that coding that is at issue. It could be used to >> encourage, reward and advise as well as to enforce. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: "Big data" benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

uch a > recent changes option by those looking for trouble could also be used in > ways that would discourage the new user. Perhaps access could be limited > to only flagged newbie helpers. > > Fred Bauder > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: "Big data" benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

> On 4 January 2013 13:03, Fred Bauder wrote: > >> With respect to welcoming and assisting new users on the English >> Wikipedia where there is a bewildering volume of varied activity by new >> and experienced users it might be helpful if we had a recent changes >>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: "Big data" benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

nd experienced users it might be helpful if we had a recent changes options that showed only edit by new editors with less than say 100 edits that could be monitored. Newbie helpers could then welcome, comment, compliment, or otherwise assist the new user. Obviously access to such a rec

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

handicapped young woman was charged. Fred > Free speech in the US is, I believe, generally considered to exclude > both "fighting words" and "shouting fire in a crowded theatre". > > On 20/09/2012 04:56, Fred Bauder wrote: >> I think any laws should be couched in ter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

> > Well, the new law is now being considered for application to block > YouTube in Russia. Make of that, what you will. > > http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19648808 > Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] > I have never understood anyone who thinks that showing contempt for the Prop

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: "Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia"

> > Spotted this in my news feed, > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514677-93/corruption-in-wikiland-paid-pr-scandal-erupts-at-wikipedia/ > > sincerely, > Kim Bruning http://untrikiwiki.com/ Max Klein's wiki editing business His blog response: http://untrikiwiki.com/explanation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: "Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia"

> > Spotted this in my news feed, > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514677-93/corruption-in-wikiland-paid-pr-scandal-erupts-at-wikipedia/ > > sincerely, > Kim Bruning Promoting of Gibraltar, and warring over it, is not a new thing. Might even have been an arbitration case a few y

Re: [Wikimedia-l] In the News

> Folks, if this has already been brought to the List, please excuse the > repetition. If not, enjoy; > > http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/09/romneys-running-mate-some-say- > wikipedia-holds-the-answer/?nl=us&emc=edit_cn_20120810 > > Marc Riddell They probably got that out of Wikipedia,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Fred Bauder > wrote: >>> But that is not all. The most important issue is extremism. According >>> to >>> the bill, the materials, that are banned for distribution in Russia >>> should be included to the register

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

> But that is not all. The most important issue is extremism. According to > the bill, the materials, that are banned for distribution in Russia > should be included to the register of banned information on the ground of > the court decision, banning the distribution of that information in > Russi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

It remains possible, due to the nature of the Russian government and the pressures of the opposition on it, that reading between the lines and coming to the conclusion they did was justified. What the Russian government might consider extremist and necessary to suppress is sui generis. Fred > On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

Try http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/10/russian-wikipedia-shut-down-protest?INTCMP=SRCH It is quite possible, as in China, political censorship is the actual purpose, and pornography, and whatever, is just the excuse. Fred > On 11/07/12 09:40, Milos Rancic wrote: >> Yep, I forgot it. BTW

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

> > I think that is a very dismissive misreading of the discussion. > > Some people have it in their heads that "appears in reliable sources > equates to article-worthiness", but the problem here is that the doings > of celebrities is covered in excruciating detial by the media, including > what te

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Any studies on economic impact of community-produced open data?

We are serving up our product at cost. That we might, by rent seeking, charge a much higher price is due more to the geometry of possible rent seeking opportunities than to economic factors. Rent seeking, or profits, is an optional cost imposed by political decision. This situation can exist becau

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