Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-07-03 Thread Peter Gervai
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Peter Southwood wrote: > Wonderful, > I have high expectations of your ability and willingness to solve these > problems, > Please notify us of your success so we can celebrate. This was neither constructive nor civilised. It shows that you have missed the point,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Block evasion might be a federal offense

2013-08-20 Thread Peter Gervai
I am possibly failing to see the point of this part of the discussion. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:14 AM, FT2 wrote: >- *If the IP is "sufficiently clearly connected" to the individual >behind the Alice account*, It is not and possibly almost never will. However I fail to see how people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Block evasion might be a federal offense

2013-08-21 Thread Peter Gervai
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: > On Aug 21, 2013 8:56 AM, "Peter Gervai" wrote: > The account and/or underlying IP is > blocked. That is the technical impediment. The action that is now a federal > offense, it seems, is to defy the warning, by c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives

2013-08-25 Thread Peter Gervai
Hello, Apart from the politics side and the end-of-the-world aspects there are good points raised. Right now there are some services based on the google map, mainly the map itself, panoramio which puts images on map, routing engine calculates directions, and several other layers exists on the map

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives

2013-08-25 Thread Peter Gervai
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Tomasz Ganicz wrote: > Bear in mind that OSM is a community such as we are, with its own > habits and ideas. As I happen to be one of the more active ones in Hungary. :-) > The idea of OSM is to have everything in one databse Nope. You will not see there wikip

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives

2013-08-26 Thread Peter Gervai
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Cristian Consonni wrote: > 2013/8/25 Strainu : >> 2013/8/25 Romaine Wiki : >>> Unfortunately I couldn't find any layer for Wikipedia on >>> http://openstreetmap.org http://osm.org/ is an example renderer. OSM is the _database_. The information is in it, and ther

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and the politics of encryption

2013-09-02 Thread Peter Gervai
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:38 AM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > But as far as I know, the U.S. government has never blocked the general > public from accessing a Wikipedia article, nor have they sent a takedown > that was based on ideology/"social harmony"/etc. Instead they use "terrorism" (or really

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and the politics of encryption

2013-09-02 Thread Peter Gervai
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Their orders would be classified; disclosure of them would be a crime. > Not a problem for us, but a big problem for staff on the ground in China. Indeed, I believe it may even be outright life threatening to have strong connection to WMF Chi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

2013-09-05 Thread Peter Gervai
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Lars Gardenius wrote: > No I don't think it is being addressed. Not in a serious way. You mean it's not _solved_. Indeed. At least one problem was mentioned in the thread which is that the (honest, knowledgeable) newbies have unproportionally smaller debating/lob

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rules of engagement for companies in Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, Danish?

2013-10-21 Thread Peter Gervai
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 7:52 AM, David Richfield wrote: > I'm not in communications at all: I'm in R&D, but our Corporate > Communications team really does want to act in good faith, which is Yeah, usually when someone wants to play nicely ask asks openly people start to pour all of their proble

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-12 Thread Peter Gervai
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > On 12/12/13 02:54, Nathan wrote: >> Bitcoin isn't native currency for anyone, and anyone who wishes >> to make a Bitcoin donation could certainly do so using a more standard >> currency. > I would think that if anonymity is the main concern,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-12 Thread Peter Gervai
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > naturally appreciates in value, like playing the stock market or buying > gold. Avoiding lots of risky investments is something our very competent I do not plan to get into a perpetual debate just wanted to point out that there is no "pla

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF employee writing articles for $300

2014-01-06 Thread Peter Gervai
I apologise for the break and please go on with the shit throwing contest but I guess there is nothing wrong with "paid editing" if it follows the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia. Experienced editors write better articles, people with lots of experience in their favourite field write better ar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income & Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Peter Gervai
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Fajro wrote: > I also support the BI idea but this is too off-topic. Yes, please, people. We have raised awareness just fine, let's not discuss it here. thanks, Peter ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-10 Thread Peter Gervai
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Ting Chen wrote: > Wikipedia articles. So they pay 10.000 Dollar to Bryce DeWitt (I know, he is > dead, I just don't want to name any living people) to write about field > theory, or John Wheeler to write about general relativity, and so on and so > on. I wonder if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-08 Thread Peter Gervai
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke wrote: > Well, it's certainly a possible starting point for discussion: > http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/ Yes, interesting. I asked them about whether they intend to keep it "teling us" instead of "discussing it" (no email list but an email),

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-21 Thread Peter Gervai
kimedia.org/view/OTRS there's plenty of possible improvement here, especially on the spamfiltering part...) cya, Peter ([[user:grin]] / [[:hu:user:grin]] / Peter Gervai) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-21 Thread Peter Gervai
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Peter Gervai, 21/02/2013 11:04: > >> I can help supporting OTRS, and Wikimedia Hungary can officially >> support it as well. I do not intend to look for alternatives, partly >> because I'm quite happ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-21 Thread Peter Gervai
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Tomasz Ganicz wrote: > I personally feel more comfortable if the OTRS system is maintained by > WMF and not by any small (or even larger) Wikimedia chapter - even my We were talking about local versions. Global OTRS _will_not_ be operated by wmhu (we neither wa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-08 Thread Peter Gervai
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Leslie Carr wrote: > Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my > right to fly first class everywhere. My champagne glass won't refill > itself, you know! Do you accept donations? g ___ Wikimedi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-09 Thread Peter Gervai
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Tom Morris wrote: > Next time someone balks at my day rate, I'm just going to say "I need a new > Ferrari and twenty new Hugo Boss suits a year or you'll feel the force of a > discrimination case at the employment tribunal". And I'll remind you to solve all opene

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Toolserver-l] [TS logo] Fwd: Free as in Wikimedia Foundation

2013-03-20 Thread Peter Gervai
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > well put. I think that clearly WMF legal department assumed that having the > trademark registered is such a good idea that it does not require a > dialogue with the community, My _general_ problem, however, that I have seen in the past

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-07 Thread Peter Gervai
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Romaine Wiki wrote: > An intelligence agency that apparently hasn't done enough intelligence to > know that doing such action would cause the opposite Possibly there will be a rise in the number of janitors against the number of intelligence officers. g ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Gadgets

2013-04-07 Thread Peter Gervai
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Martin Rulsch wrote: > Free give-aways are okay. But a shop where Wiki* stuff can be sold, might > be a problem. Possibly out of the tread but let me comment that anyone anytime could sell anything from Wikipedia until s/he follows the license terms, eg. includes t