Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-22 Thread Christopher Cooper
Thanks for the information. I've updated
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015_bids based on this
information.

I agree with Aya that a public posting of the scoring matrix would be great
as well.

Kind regards,
Christopher
User: CT Cooper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper 

-Original Message-
From: Richard Symonds [mailto:richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk] 
Sent: 22 April 2014 10:33
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

Christopher, Aya,

Speaking as a jury member, the reason we disqualified Bali and Dar es Salaam
was that those two bids were not really complete enough to score.

Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
0207 065 0992

Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

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over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*


On 21 April 2014 21:03, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com wrote:

 Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City!

 I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of choosing 
 the winner for 2015. In addition to the cities that Cooper has 
 mentioned, I would like to know what happened with Bali's bid too.

 Kind Regards,
 Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz


 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Cooper  
 ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

  Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put 
  the bid together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great 
  place to host Wikimania and I look forward to attending.
 
  Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were 
  chosen and where other bids could have done better will be posted 
  somewhere for digestion as done in previous years. In particular, 
  while the bid was clearly lacking, it would be helpful to have an 
  official answer to why
 the
  Dar es Salaam was disqualified.
 
  Kind regards,
  Christopher
  User: CT Cooper
 
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-22 Thread Christopher Cooper
I find it difficult to believe it would be that bad. Yes, it might causes
some issues if it turned out that a bid won because it was the least worst
and was actually still very unpopular with the jury. However, I think people
understand that no bid is ever perfect and wouldn't expect every jury
decision on who hosts Wikimania to be unanimous. 

At the very least there should be a written explanation on what the
strengths of the winning bid were, and what the problems of those that
didn't were. This has been done in past years and would help prevent
mistakes being repeated. Also, since Wikimania is a public conference, I
think those that attend it and support it deserve to know why and how it
gets to be hosted in a particular place.

As someone who has followed the bidding process over multiple years, I think
it is fair to say that communication between the jury and the community
during the bidding process has not been as good this year as in previous
years. I believe improving this should be a priority for the next round of
bidding for 2016. As a member of the Scholarship Committee, I note that the
scholarships process was in the past criticized for just the same issue and
that has now been rectified, and from my perspective doing so has improved
community confidence in the process.

Kind regards,
Christopher
User: CT Cooper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper 

-Original Message-
From: Richard Symonds [mailto:richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk] 
Sent: 22 April 2014 18:02
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

No, Aya, I don't think there will be a public report - I don't think it's
happened in previous years.

I for one would not be happy with making my marking grid public because the
bidders didn't know that the marking grids were going to be made public -
and for that matter, neither did I! I am also a little worried about being
second-guessed by the community at large. Imagine, *for example,* if the
jury was split down the middle, with half hating the Mexico bid and half
loving it: it could be very damaging for the volunteer team morale to show
that not everyone supported them, and it might damage the conference.
Perhaps in future it would be a good thing to do...

However, I see where you're coming from - it would be good to have feedback
on the individual bids for posterity's sake, and to make sure that mistakes
or omissions aren't repeated in future...

Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
0207 065 0992

Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*


On 22 April 2014 16:27, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Richard for the reply! Will there be any public report with a 
 matrix indicating the scores of the bidding cities in each judging
criterion?

 Kind Regards,
 Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz


 On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Richard Symonds  
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

  Christopher, Aya,
 
  Speaking as a jury member, the reason we disqualified Bali and Dar 
  es Salaam was that those two bids were not really complete enough to
score.
 
  Richard Symonds
  Wikimedia UK
  0207 065 0992
 
  Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England 
  and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. 
  Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard 
  Street, London EC2A
 4LT.
  United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia 
  movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation 
  (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
 
  *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal 
  control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
 
 
  On 21 April 2014 21:03, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City!
  
   I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of 
   choosing
 the
   winner for 2015. In addition to the cities that Cooper has 
   mentioned, I would like to know what happened with Bali's bid too.
  
   Kind Regards,
   Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz
  
  
   On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Cooper  
   ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
  
Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped 
put the
  bid
together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great 
place

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Christopher Cooper
Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the bid 
together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to host 
Wikimania and I look forward to attending. 

Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were chosen and 
where other bids could have done better will be posted somewhere for digestion 
as done in previous years. In particular, while the bid was clearly lacking, it 
would be helpful to have an official answer to why the Dar es Salaam was 
disqualified.

Kind regards,
Christopher
User: CT Cooper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper 


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