[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Thanks for the love!

A few months ago, I wrote that I plan to retire from all my Wikimedia positions after Wikimania. Now Wikimania is almost a month ago and I've moved on to a new job IRL, I think it's time for me to unsubscribe from most of the mailing lists. Thanks for the love over the last 3 years. I'll stay subs

Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

Wouldn't this fall within the scope of [[WP:Outlines]] already, and therefore doesn't need its sister project? Future developments of Wikidata will make it even easier for such articles on Wikipedia to be updated. On 17 June 2013 19:56, Alex Peek wrote: > Homepage: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

So will there be a Wikipedia blackout? PS. June 4 is the perfect date for such protests :) On 3 June 2013 23:42, Tilman Bayer wrote: > The EFF reports that this announcement by Taiwanese Wikimedians does > appear to have had an effect: > > https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/taiwanese-users-th

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] Proposed prohibition of local uploads and deletion of non-free-licence working documents of Wikimedia events

Following this discussion up, I've proposed an exemption doctrine policy for Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Exemption_doctrine_policy On 29 May 2013 17:24, Nathan wrote: > Crossed to Wikimedia-l, see Deryck's e-mail below. > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:53 AM, D

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

MZM, "This time" misses the point of risk management - it's all probabilistic rather than deterministic. It is totally reasonable for WMF to have judged that the differences between the two logos are large enough that a trademark claim is sufficiently *unlikely* to happen. But outliers do occur an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Approval of Wikimedians of Nepal user group

Congratulations Ganesh and the Nepal team! Are there plans to move on and transition to an incorporated Wikimedia chapter? Deryck On 30 May 2013 17:32, Bence Damokos wrote: > Dear all, > > I am happy to inform you that the Affiliations Committee has approved the > recognition of a Wikimedia User

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Bence Damokos wrote: > > > Personally I think this line of the conversation (people resigning/fired) > > is taking the situation a bit too far. > > At the least not having volunteers administer the WMF's wiki is just > > punishment already. > > > > It seems that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

In contrast to my post in the original thread (that I'm sceptical about how long WMF wiki will survive without volunteer admins), I do think the WMF is allowed their own piece of turf. In general, when there's an "owner" of a WMF-hosted wiki, we generally allow the "owner" group to have totalitari

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some interesting thing about our "friend" User:Shujenchang

Addis: 从我来看，事情大概已经解决了，没必要小题大做。家丑不出外扬。在一个这么公开的环境里面谈论中文维基百科的小事，实在不适合。 翘仔 On 18 May 2013 19:30, AddisWang wrote: > Hi Everyone > > There may be no reason for me to post a Blocking Notification to the mail > list, but this thing will absolutely let you feel shocked which I think > it's necessary to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board candidates page: please set as a subject of translation

Hello. Meta now supports automatic conversion between different regional variants of standard Chinese. Can someone disable translation to zh-hans, zh-hant, zh-hk, and zh-tw? Otherwise we'll end up with 4 redundant translations. On 14 May 2013 17:38, Benjamin Chen wrote: > Hi guys, > > Before I s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

In such resolutions, one always budget for the maximum plausible cost and then underspend. It is rather unhelpful to look at the budgeted amount and shout at it as if it's the actual amount spent. PS. Jealous? Run for the forthcoming elections. Winners of those elections also get to travel to Hong

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

Given the foundation's recent tsunami of centralisation I'm not surprised by this at all. The message is clear - the community doesn't belong here. Go back to meta. I'll be interested to see how long the WMF wiki will last before they hit their first massive technical problem happens and they need

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

or local volunteers. Deryck On 28 April 2013 23:52, Deryck Chan wrote: > Dear trusty Wikimedians, > > The FDC decisions are out on Sunday. Despite my desperate attempts to > assist WMHK's board to keep up with deadlines and comply with seemingly > endless requests fro

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

On 30 April 2013 10:22, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: > Hey Florence > > On Apr 30, 2013, at 1:12 AM, Florence Devouard wrote: > > > Le 4/30/13 12:04 AM, Nathan a écrit : > >> > >> > >> It's not logical to assume that because the WMF has funds it should in > >> some way equitably distribute those fu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

On 30 April 2013 09:48, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: > > > Yes I read your reply, but you keep stating "we want", that is not that > same as "together with the grant giver we agreed"… I cannot overstate the > importance of the difference between the two… > > People don't instantly agree on everythin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

On 29 April 2013 21:10, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: > Hey > > So while I really regret your decision and hope that you will reconsider I > would like to ask you something. > > > > > Or, ironically, putting together a reallocation grant. Here's another > > hen-and-egg problem for you all. We saw lit

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Re: Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

t a reallocation? > > Sent from my iPhone > > --- > Thehelpfulone > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone > > On 29 Apr 2013, at 12:43, Deryck Chan wrote: > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > From: "Deryck Chan" > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

On 29 April 2013 12:32, Craig Franklin wrote: > I'd like to come back to this - if the entity was told they were eligible > (which certainly looks to be the case from the public documents), when was > it discovered they were not? When the FDC recommendations were published. (see my reply to THO

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Re: Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

-- Forwarded message -- From: "Deryck Chan" Date: 29 Apr 2013 12:42 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone To: Cc: "Wikimedia Mailing List" See the footnotes on the FDC decision page. Both WMHK and WMCZ were

[Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

Dear trusty Wikimedians, The FDC decisions are out on Sunday. Despite my desperate attempts to assist WMHK's board to keep up with deadlines and comply with seemingly endless requests from WMF grantmaking and FDC support staff, we received an overwhelmingly negative assessment which resulted in a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-ambassadors] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

I think by opt-in, James means that any user from any Wikipedia can opt themselves in from Thursday onwards. Is that correct? Deryck On 22 April 2013 07:14, Nasir Khan wrote: > Hi, > Is it possible to include bn (Bengali Wikipeda) in the list ? i want to > start the test earlier :) > > * > -- >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?

You mean, there is a cabal-l? How I wish I was invited! ;-) On 17 April 2013 21:30, Thehelpfulone wrote: > Hi all, > > Last week I noticed a nice design for the list info page of the WLM-US > mailing list that I tweaked for this mailing list: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/cabal-

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Favicon notes

So it has changed indeed! A non-Wikimedian friend told me today that he noticed the font of the favicon is different. On 13 April 2013 21:56, MZMcBride wrote: > For the curious: . > > MZMcBride > > > > ___ > Wik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] xkcd collecting donations for WMF?

As a side note, the first panel of the comic also openly calls its readers to edit war over certain articles. On 1 April 2013 20:22, Manuel Schneider wrote: > Did you see this April's Fool Day comic on xkcd, with an interactivly > growing dog: "The dog gains a pound for every $10 donated to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Adopt a page"

Because we've decided that [[WP:Ownership of articles]] is wrong, and wronger if there's financial sponsorship involved. On 29 March 2013 22:36, Strainu wrote: > Hi, > > I've just seen an OTRS ticket asking why isn't Wikipedia giving its > pages for "adoption" (like when you adopt a page and you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's non-disclosure agreement

On Mar 7, 2013 8:11 AM, "Keegan Peterzell" wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Katie Chan wrote: > > > On 06/03/2013 23:00, MZMcBride wrote: > > > >> > >> Out of curiosity, if you sign an NDA as a volunteer, what is the > >> "disclosure period", then? Is it indefinite? > >> > > > > "Disclo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's non-disclosure agreement

As far as I know, NDAs are primarily for protecting people's privacy. I signed a WMF NDA because I'll be reviewing Wikimania scholarships, and I'll see the real names and nationalities etc of many Wikimedia volunteers who attend Wikimania but still try to keep their RL identity separate from their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

No, because you haven't described what you're bringing :) On the other hand, a detailed, grammatically correct description of stroopwafels will almost certainly gain full marks for the English ability criterion. (And perhaps a bonus for "interest in Wikimania" if you make a good case) On 18 Febru

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

On 5 February 2013 15:30, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > On 05.02.2013 16:18, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > >> there's nothing to pick up so far. The FDC has not held any meetings since >> (obviously), and it generally operates within the mandate given by the >> Board (which makes all decisions, FDC is o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blog: Virtual Learning Environment

"There is also some work being conducted to investigate ways of writing a modification to Moodle to allow HTML to be imported from wiki pages to directly, providing a transclusion function." This sentence looks somewhat awkward... On 11 January 2013 15:41, Stevie Benton wrote: > Hello everyone,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] proposed urgent Board of Trustees resolution without a meeting

Wait, fundraising is finishing early this year? Last time I heard anything, the storytelling team is still desperately scrambling new appeals to try out within this fundraiser. Correct me if I'm misinformed. Deryck On Dec 24, 2012 6:00 PM, "Thomas Dalton" wrote: > On Dec 24, 2012 6:42 AM, "Liam

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Sort it

Too often what happens is: I try to help a newbie by email; but before they make much progress another admin comes and blocks them for the damage they've already caused. Obviously the newbie gives up. Suggested technical improvement: create notices like editnotice on the block screen saying "Admin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage/Wikitravel accounts merge

I believe it's just a case of adding Wikivoyage as projects under the SUL umbrella and do it like any other new Wikimedia project. I believe, though, that joining SUL is only possible after the projects have migrated onto WMF servers. On 18 October 2012 17:28, Yann Forget wrote: > Hello, > > Wha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

On 17 October 2012 09:16, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > 2012/10/17 Strainu : > > 2012/10/17 Gerard Meijssen : > >> > >> This has been discussed in the language committee. In the committee we > all > >> agreed that the existing languages for Wikivoyage should start without > any > >> interference of us

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia-blog] [Wikimedia Announcements] Joint statement from Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia UK

On 28 September 2012 22:39, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On Sep 28, 2012 9:45 PM, "Nathan" wrote: > > > > Wow. I honestly didn't think the conflict of interest issue was this > > serious. > > The conflict wasn't that bad, but the very poor handling of it casts > serious doubts on how well Wikimedia UK

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Naming for the Travel Guide project

Tom, Thanks for making this offer. The worst that could happen to a Wikimedia competition is, indeed, one that requires money to join. Deryck On Sep 27, 2012 2:15 PM, "Thomas Morton" wrote: > If anyone has a good idea for a name, but lacks to funds or means to pick > it up (and the WMF declines t

wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

-- Forwarded message -- From: "Deryck Chan" Date: Sep 25, 2012 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] FUD&Chilling Effects&Filters&Outlawing To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" This is old news. This is what we've been protesting against all througho

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

On 12 September 2012 12:27, Thomas Morton wrote: > [...] fortunately courts do not rely on metaphors :) > > Tom > Oh they do. That's precisely what case law is. Inaccurate metaphors are the reason that courts worldwide have a ridiculous view on what constitutes a copyright violation. Deryck

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

One possibility lies within their terms of use: "If you're not interested in our goals, or if you agree with our goals but refuse to collaborate, compromise, reach consensusor make concessions with other Wikitravellers, we ask that you not use this Web

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

Just write "Imported from Wikitravel" and list the names of all page authors by scrubbing the Wikitravel page. Attribution given, problem solved! (okay, not the import practicality bit) On 7 September 2012 21:14, Nathan wrote: > On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp wrote: > > When we use 1911

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

In contrast to Tom's opinion, I believe that WMF has done the right thing - write the blog post in a way so as to create the biggest PR impact within the limits of factual accuracy; and link to the PDF and discussions for the sake of transparency. On 6 September 2012 15:12, Thomas Morton wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

Keyhole solution: The MediaWiki API and Wikipedia copyright and trademark licences allow Wikipedia Redefined to implement their ideas already. It will, of course, be marketed as an alternative browsing and editing device like AWB currently is. If there's enough uptake, it's never too late for WMF t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project

Looks good! This list is about right, and having been part of setting up zh-yue.wp I agree it'd be much better to make sure founders of new Wikipedia language editions have this list. A few comments though: I wouldn't put that much emphasis on MediaWiki help pages. In addition, village pump, admin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

Hire someone from the local Wikipedia community to do it. This can be integrated into the proposed "language community and cultural translation" WMF fellow's job description. MediaWiki feature decisions are gruesome chores. In small language project communities the active editors typically don't i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On 29 July 2012 22:57, Nathan wrote: > On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Thomas Dalton >wrote: > > > On 29 July 2012 22:33, Steven Walling wrote: > > > I can see how you would think this if you're not involved with these > > > communities, but a clear majority of the active editors on Portuguese

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On 29 July 2012 22:39, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 29 July 2012 22:33, Steven Walling wrote: > > I can see how you would think this if you're not involved with these > > communities, but a clear majority of the active editors on Portuguese > > Wikipedia are in fact Brazilian. The description given

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apparently, Wikipedia is ugly

On 17 July 2012 00:46, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > I honestly don't understand why it is taking so many years to develop a > > WYSIWYG editor, for example, or a new Commons search function. Honestly, > > people, if you want to create paid jobs, don't inflate the chapter > > structure, but employ an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apparently, Wikipedia is ugly

I think the clear moral of this story is that, as accommodating and reader-friendly you can be, you just can't make everyone happy. We should listen to all opinions and suggestions, but expect to decide most of the time that the suggestions are simply dumb or unhelpful. On 25 July 2012 16:22, Mic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board appointments July 2012

See http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Talk:Resolution:Personal_image_hiding_feature Votes were initially cast on 11 July with Phoebe and Arne still on the board. Then Jimmy changed his vote on 16 July. On 25 July 2012 14:50, Béria Lima wrote: > If they got confirmed at July 11, (from the reso

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Geolocalization improvement proposal

On Jul 23, 2012 2:59 PM, "Deryck Chan" wrote: > > On Jul 23, 2012 11:48 AM, "aude" wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Cristian Consonni < > kikkocrist...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > > > 2012/7/18 Cristian Conson

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans

Short answer as I understand it: Global blocks are the technical feature and refer to the accounts, the IPs and the software capability; global bans are the policy and refer to the people who are unwelcome. On 6 July 2012 10:44, ENWP Pine wrote: > Hi Steven, > > Could you explain the distinction

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

On 3 July 2012 19:08, Nathan wrote: > I love it when people send e-mails to the public list, and purposefully > refrain from actually discussing the actual events at issue. You have to > read 3/4ths of the e-mail to get an idea that it's about someone being > blocked, but you still don't know why

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

One major problem with double language links I've encountered before was that they confuse interwiki bots and therefore break things. Several articles on the Cantonese Wikipedia (zh-yue.wp) pertaining to local political and cultural issues in the Cantonese-speaking world have __NOBOT__ on them simp

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

On a separate note about IPv6: I just saw the first IPv6 anon entry appearing on my watchlist. It's exciting! Deryck On 13 June 2012 13:43, Anthony wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Kim Bruning > wrote: > > I noticed that my current IPv6 address appears to be assigned > > dynamically by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

I was skeptical with parent-like satnavs when they were first introduced back then; I still am skeptical today. What's inadequate about "Read map*, pay attention to the road, use brain"? Deryck *I'm a big fan of using the automatic route-planning features of map systems like Google Maps or even T

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

Not a problem. Many east and south-east Asian countries' citizens enjoy visa-free access to Hong Kong ( http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HK_Visa_Policy.png ). Visa-on-demand for business or leisure travel is also available for residents of most major cities in mainland China and all of Guang

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

Todd, I'm afraid you've mistaken. Hong Kong is fiscally independent from the rest of China, and not a single cent of the Hong Kong government's income is passed on to the PRC government in Beijing. Deryck On 10 May 2012 22:27, Todd Allen wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

fficient public transport, uncensored internet connection and unhindered access to Wikimedia projects. We hope to see you all at Wikimania 2012 in Washington DC and Wikimania 2013 in Hong Kong. With best wishes, Deryck Chan Global engagement coordinator Wikimania 2013 organizing team / Wikimedi