Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

[Asaf Bartov]

Thanks!

http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Best_practices_in_organizing_a_Wikipedia_workshop&action=historysubmit&diff=38805&oldid=24788

  A.

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Sumana Harihareswara  wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who helped work on this documentation.  I really
> appreciate it.  Please distribute
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mass_account_creation and, within it,
> link to the relevant "becoming an account creator" pages on particular
> wikis.
>
> Thanks.
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>
>
> On 05/24/2012 06:15 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
> > Thanks, Alex!  That was what I was looking for. :)
> >
> > It is now mentioned in the instructions on Meta. :)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >Asaf
> >
> > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:02 PM, J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov <
> > alexandrdmitriroma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> There is indeed a page on en.Wikipedia specifically for requests for the
> >> Account creator permission :
> >>
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Account_creator
> >>
> >> I don't know about other languages or projects.
> >>
> >> Alex
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2012/5/24 Asaf Bartov 
> >>
> >>> So, I often find myself doing outreach related to enwiki before large
> >>> groups, and while I have no interest in becoming a sysop, could really
> >> use
> >>> the Account Creator permission.  Is there really no page to publicly
> >>> request this?  The instructions cited below, taken from here[1],
> suggest
> >>> so, but that just feels broken.  I don't like the idea of privately
> >>> reaching out to some admin for this permission.
> >>>
> >>> :-/
> >>>
> >>>   Asaf
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mass_account_creation#Becoming_an_.22account_creator.22
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

[Sumana Harihareswara]

Thanks to everyone who helped work on this documentation.  I really
appreciate it.  Please distribute
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mass_account_creation and, within it,
link to the relevant "becoming an account creator" pages on particular
wikis.

Thanks.
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On 05/24/2012 06:15 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
> Thanks, Alex!  That was what I was looking for. :)
> 
> It is now mentioned in the instructions on Meta. :)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>Asaf
> 
> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:02 PM, J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov <
> alexandrdmitriroma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> There is indeed a page on en.Wikipedia specifically for requests for the
>> Account creator permission :
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Account_creator
>>
>> I don't know about other languages or projects.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> 2012/5/24 Asaf Bartov 
>>
>>> So, I often find myself doing outreach related to enwiki before large
>>> groups, and while I have no interest in becoming a sysop, could really
>> use
>>> the Account Creator permission.  Is there really no page to publicly
>>> request this?  The instructions cited below, taken from here[1], suggest
>>> so, but that just feels broken.  I don't like the idea of privately
>>> reaching out to some admin for this permission.
>>>
>>> :-/
>>>
>>>   Asaf
>>>
>>> [1]
>>>
>>>
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mass_account_creation#Becoming_an_.22account_creator.22

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

[Asaf Bartov]

Thanks, Alex!  That was what I was looking for. :)

It is now mentioned in the instructions on Meta. :)

Cheers,

   Asaf

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:02 PM, J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov <
alexandrdmitriroma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There is indeed a page on en.Wikipedia specifically for requests for the
> Account creator permission :
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Account_creator
>
> I don't know about other languages or projects.
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> 2012/5/24 Asaf Bartov 
>
> > So, I often find myself doing outreach related to enwiki before large
> > groups, and while I have no interest in becoming a sysop, could really
> use
> > the Account Creator permission.  Is there really no page to publicly
> > request this?  The instructions cited below, taken from here[1], suggest
> > so, but that just feels broken.  I don't like the idea of privately
> > reaching out to some admin for this permission.
> >
> > :-/
> >
> >   Asaf
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mass_account_creation#Becoming_an_.22account_creator.22
> >
> > On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
> > wrote:
> >
> > > K. Peachey, 17/05/2012 05:38:
> > >
> > >  On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Before this guide gets distributed too widely, I'd think about its
> > >>> scalability. Shell requests can take weeks, months, or even years to
> > get
> > >>> resolved, even when filed properly.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Anyone in the world of tomorrow! can do shell requests (Git), Then we
> > >> just need to bug people to get it merged (eg: Reedy/Roan/others etc
> > >> etc).
> > >>
> > >> That will cut down a lot of time.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Not really, the associated bugzilla paperwork or IRC begging is still
> > > needed.
> > >
> > > Nemo
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

There is indeed a page on en.Wikipedia specifically for requests for the
Account creator permission :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Account_creator

I don't know about other languages or projects.

Alex



2012/5/24 Asaf Bartov 

> So, I often find myself doing outreach related to enwiki before large
> groups, and while I have no interest in becoming a sysop, could really use
> the Account Creator permission.  Is there really no page to publicly
> request this?  The instructions cited below, taken from here[1], suggest
> so, but that just feels broken.  I don't like the idea of privately
> reaching out to some admin for this permission.
>
> :-/
>
>   Asaf
>
> [1]
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mass_account_creation#Becoming_an_.22account_creator.22
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
> wrote:
>
> > K. Peachey, 17/05/2012 05:38:
> >
> >  On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Before this guide gets distributed too widely, I'd think about its
> >>> scalability. Shell requests can take weeks, months, or even years to
> get
> >>> resolved, even when filed properly.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Anyone in the world of tomorrow! can do shell requests (Git), Then we
> >> just need to bug people to get it merged (eg: Reedy/Roan/others etc
> >> etc).
> >>
> >> That will cut down a lot of time.
> >>
> >
> > Not really, the associated bugzilla paperwork or IRC begging is still
> > needed.
> >
> > Nemo
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

[Asaf Bartov]

So, I often find myself doing outreach related to enwiki before large
groups, and while I have no interest in becoming a sysop, could really use
the Account Creator permission.  Is there really no page to publicly
request this?  The instructions cited below, taken from here[1], suggest
so, but that just feels broken.  I don't like the idea of privately
reaching out to some admin for this permission.

:-/

   Asaf

[1]
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mass_account_creation#Becoming_an_.22account_creator.22

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
wrote:

> K. Peachey, 17/05/2012 05:38:
>
>  On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
>>
>>> Before this guide gets distributed too widely, I'd think about its
>>> scalability. Shell requests can take weeks, months, or even years to get
>>> resolved, even when filed properly.
>>>
>>
>> Anyone in the world of tomorrow! can do shell requests (Git), Then we
>> just need to bug people to get it merged (eg: Reedy/Roan/others etc
>> etc).
>>
>> That will cut down a lot of time.
>>
>
> Not really, the associated bugzilla paperwork or IRC begging is still
> needed.
>
> Nemo
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

K. Peachey, 17/05/2012 05:38:

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:

Before this guide gets distributed too widely, I'd think about its
scalability. Shell requests can take weeks, months, or even years to get
resolved, even when filed properly.


Anyone in the world of tomorrow! can do shell requests (Git), Then we
just need to bug people to get it merged (eg: Reedy/Roan/others etc
etc).

That will cut down a lot of time.


Not really, the associated bugzilla paperwork or IRC begging is still 
needed.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

[K. Peachey]

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> Before this guide gets distributed too widely, I'd think about its
> scalability. Shell requests can take weeks, months, or even years to get
> resolved, even when filed properly.

Anyone in the world of tomorrow! can do shell requests (Git), Then we
just need to bug people to get it merged (eg: Reedy/Roan/others etc
etc).

That will cut down a lot of time.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

[MZMcBride]

Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
> When you're running an event, sometimes you want to help lots of people
> create accounts on Wikimedia sites.  To prevent spamming/vandalism,
> ordinarily there's a cap on the number of accounts that can be created
> from one IP address in a single day.  But there's a way to ask for a
> temporary removal of that restriction.  The Foundation's Maggie Dennis
> has written a quick HOWTO:
> 
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_request_lift_of_an_IP_cap
> 
> and so please feel free to link to it in your outreach HOWTOs, event
> planning checklists, and so on.  Thanks, Maggie!

Hi.

Before this guide gets distributed too widely, I'd think about its
scalability. Shell requests can take weeks, months, or even years to get
resolved, even when filed properly.

There was some talk about adding a whitelist to a MediaWiki page via an
extension (cf.  and
related SVN revisions). That would allow any local administrator to fix this
without a bunch of paperwork and editing PHP and syncing it everywhere.

Another option would be to add a time guarantee (e.g., "if you submit your
bug within two weeks of your conference/gathering/whatever, we'll have the
exemption ready").

The few people (shell users) capable of fulfilling these requests really
ought be doing other things, though. I'd go with the whitelist. The code's
already written, even, it just needs to be pushed out to a Hacks extension
or something: 
.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

[Ivan Martínez]

Thanks for the info. In the first session with the Wikipedia Student Club
in UNAM, I have troubles for this issue.
Regards,

2012/5/16 Federico Leva (Nemo) 

> Maggie Dennis, 16/05/2012 18:17:
>
>  Clarification on this process was actually most recently requested by an
>> en
>> Wiki admin on the principle that people who create their own accounts are
>> more likely to care about them. :)
>>
>
> To care or to be able to do something with them? Anyway, they can create
> their accounts in any case, with the help of a sysop/bureaucrat/**
> accountcreator.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Maggie Dennis, 16/05/2012 18:17:

Clarification on this process was actually most recently requested by an en
Wiki admin on the principle that people who create their own accounts are
more likely to care about them. :)


To care or to be able to do something with them? Anyway, they can create 
their accounts in any case, with the help of a 
sysop/bureaucrat/accountcreator.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

[Maggie Dennis]

Clarification on this process was actually most recently requested by an en
Wiki admin on the principle that people who create their own accounts are
more likely to care about them. :)

Maggie

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Tom Morris  wrote:

> Generally, at UK outreach events, there has usually been an enwiki admin or
> two around who can create accounts for people. Admins (and accountcreators)
> are not subject to account creation limits.
> On May 16, 2012 4:23 PM, "Sumana Harihareswara" 
> wrote:
>
> > When you're running an event, sometimes you want to help lots of people
> > create accounts on Wikimedia sites.  To prevent spamming/vandalism,
> > ordinarily there's a cap on the number of accounts that can be created
> > from one IP address in a single day.  But there's a way to ask for a
> > temporary removal of that restriction.  The Foundation's Maggie Dennis
> > has written a quick HOWTO:
> >
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_request_lift_of_an_IP_cap
> >
> > and so please feel free to link to it in your outreach HOWTOs, event
> > planning checklists, and so on.  Thanks, Maggie!
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

[Tom Morris]

Generally, at UK outreach events, there has usually been an enwiki admin or
two around who can create accounts for people. Admins (and accountcreators)
are not subject to account creation limits.
On May 16, 2012 4:23 PM, "Sumana Harihareswara" 
wrote:

> When you're running an event, sometimes you want to help lots of people
> create accounts on Wikimedia sites.  To prevent spamming/vandalism,
> ordinarily there's a cap on the number of accounts that can be created
> from one IP address in a single day.  But there's a way to ask for a
> temporary removal of that restriction.  The Foundation's Maggie Dennis
> has written a quick HOWTO:
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_request_lift_of_an_IP_cap
>
> and so please feel free to link to it in your outreach HOWTOs, event
> planning checklists, and so on.  Thanks, Maggie!
>
> --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Sumana Harihareswara, 16/05/2012 17:23:

When you're running an event, sometimes you want to help lots of people
create accounts on Wikimedia sites.  To prevent spamming/vandalism,
ordinarily there's a cap on the number of accounts that can be created
from one IP address in a single day.  But there's a way to ask for a
temporary removal of that restriction.  The Foundation's Maggie Dennis
has written a quick HOWTO:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_request_lift_of_an_IP_cap

and so please feel free to link to it in your outreach HOWTOs, event
planning checklists, and so on.  Thanks, Maggie!


Personally I don't like such requests to sysadmins, they're usually an 
unneeded hassle for everyone, but this how-to nicely fills a gap left by 
the more general how-to on 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Mass_account_creation


Nemo

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[Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

[Sumana Harihareswara]

When you're running an event, sometimes you want to help lots of people
create accounts on Wikimedia sites.  To prevent spamming/vandalism,
ordinarily there's a cap on the number of accounts that can be created
from one IP address in a single day.  But there's a way to ask for a
temporary removal of that restriction.  The Foundation's Maggie Dennis
has written a quick HOWTO:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_request_lift_of_an_IP_cap

and so please feel free to link to it in your outreach HOWTOs, event
planning checklists, and so on.  Thanks, Maggie!

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