Re: [Wikimedia-l] Generated texts

2014-02-07 Thread Magnus Manske 
Hi Andy,

that message comes up when the JavaScript is broken. I just tried the Bach
link, and it works fine for me. Probably a stale browser cache;
force-reloading the page should help.

Cheers,
Magnus


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:

> Your link has "gone very wrong". I would wait the suggested half hour
> before telling you this, but by then I hope to be asleep.
>
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> On Feb 7, 2014 4:42 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" 
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> >
> > We have often had discussions about generating texts to be used in
> > Wikipedia articles. The drawback of articles that are generated in this
> way
> > is that they do not get updated as more information becomes available.
> >
> > The data in Wikidata is comparable with the kind of data often used in
> such
> > processes.
> >
> > The first kind texts that are generated bu the Reasonator are based on
> the
> > biographic information of a person. As Johann Sebastian Bach is a great
> > example of the power of both Wikidata and Reasonator, I invite you to
> have
> > a look [1].
> >
> > The text is completely generated based on the information in Wikidata and
> > Magnus is very much in the process of iterating this functionality. What
> I
> > hope you will see as a challenge is writing similar functionality for
> other
> > languages.
> >
> > What I hope for is that the Wikidata development team will appreciate
> this
> > for what its potential and support it when it is found that additional
> > technology is needed.
> > Thanks,
> >   GerardM
> >
> >
> > [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q1339
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Generated texts

2014-02-07 Thread Andy Mabbett 
Your link has "gone very wrong". I would wait the suggested half hour
before telling you this, but by then I hope to be asleep.

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On Feb 7, 2014 4:42 PM, "Gerard Meijssen"  wrote:

> Hoi,
>
> We have often had discussions about generating texts to be used in
> Wikipedia articles. The drawback of articles that are generated in this way
> is that they do not get updated as more information becomes available.
>
> The data in Wikidata is comparable with the kind of data often used in such
> processes.
>
> The first kind texts that are generated bu the Reasonator are based on the
> biographic information of a person. As Johann Sebastian Bach is a great
> example of the power of both Wikidata and Reasonator, I invite you to have
> a look [1].
>
> The text is completely generated based on the information in Wikidata and
> Magnus is very much in the process of iterating this functionality. What I
> hope you will see as a challenge is writing similar functionality for other
> languages.
>
> What I hope for is that the Wikidata development team will appreciate this
> for what its potential and support it when it is found that additional
> technology is needed.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
>
> [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q1339
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Generated texts

2014-02-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen 
Hoi,
There are two parts to your question.

   - When is the available data good enough
   - When is the script that does the text generation good enough

The second is something that you can help with. When it is good enough for
one item that is really well developed like JS Bach, it is good enough for
most similar items.

The first is something that really proves that Wikidata is a Wiki. It is
easy to find fault, I do it regularly and I blog about it. The point is not
that I should add all the missing "prime minister of the United Kingdom",
it is that I inform how we know that these things are problematic. You can
help, competent bot operators can help, cooperation with DBpedia may help.

What we need is to invest in the comparison of data of a Wikipedia and
Wikidata.. any Wikipedia. Such reports will show at this time
overwhelmingly where Wikidata does NOT have data. So much so that it is a
bad idea to report it. It is better to just add the missing data and report
only on the discrepancies where data fails to match.

When you check out the data for Romanian villages, you do something I
cannot do. Again this is how it shows that Wikidata is a wiki. We need a
community that cares about the quality of the information provided.

We need you.

We need you to check our data, we need you to compare our data, we need you
to use our data because in the end, the usage of the information embedded
in Wikidata is what will ensure that enough eyeballs ensure the quality
we/you are seeking to provide. Reasonator does the best possible job as far
as I am concerned. Its audience grows really rapidly month by month.
Thanks,
  GerardM

http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/stats.php



On 7 February 2014 19:41, Strainu  wrote:

> Hi Gerard,
>
> The problem that I have with Wikidata and automatically generated
> content like the reasonator does is: how do you know when has the
> script and the data reached an acceptable level?
>
> I've tested Reasonator a little with Romanian vilages and found errors
> in both the Wikidata fields and in the extrapolations made by the
> script (like pictures identified as linked to that item). In that case
> it is pretty obvious that the data is still unusable, but what if the
> 3-5-10 articles I check are OK? Are there any guidelines on that?
>
> Thanks,
>Strainu
>
> 2014-02-07 17:42 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen :
> > Hoi,
> >
> > We have often had discussions about generating texts to be used in
> > Wikipedia articles. The drawback of articles that are generated in this
> way
> > is that they do not get updated as more information becomes available.
> >
> > The data in Wikidata is comparable with the kind of data often used in
> such
> > processes.
> >
> > The first kind texts that are generated bu the Reasonator are based on
> the
> > biographic information of a person. As Johann Sebastian Bach is a great
> > example of the power of both Wikidata and Reasonator, I invite you to
> have
> > a look [1].
> >
> > The text is completely generated based on the information in Wikidata and
> > Magnus is very much in the process of iterating this functionality. What
> I
> > hope you will see as a challenge is writing similar functionality for
> other
> > languages.
> >
> > What I hope for is that the Wikidata development team will appreciate
> this
> > for what its potential and support it when it is found that additional
> > technology is needed.
> > Thanks,
> >   GerardM
> >
> >
> > [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q1339
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Generated texts

2014-02-07 Thread Strainu 
Hi Gerard,

The problem that I have with Wikidata and automatically generated
content like the reasonator does is: how do you know when has the
script and the data reached an acceptable level?

I've tested Reasonator a little with Romanian vilages and found errors
in both the Wikidata fields and in the extrapolations made by the
script (like pictures identified as linked to that item). In that case
it is pretty obvious that the data is still unusable, but what if the
3-5-10 articles I check are OK? Are there any guidelines on that?

Thanks,
   Strainu

2014-02-07 17:42 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
>
> We have often had discussions about generating texts to be used in
> Wikipedia articles. The drawback of articles that are generated in this way
> is that they do not get updated as more information becomes available.
>
> The data in Wikidata is comparable with the kind of data often used in such
> processes.
>
> The first kind texts that are generated bu the Reasonator are based on the
> biographic information of a person. As Johann Sebastian Bach is a great
> example of the power of both Wikidata and Reasonator, I invite you to have
> a look [1].
>
> The text is completely generated based on the information in Wikidata and
> Magnus is very much in the process of iterating this functionality. What I
> hope you will see as a challenge is writing similar functionality for other
> languages.
>
> What I hope for is that the Wikidata development team will appreciate this
> for what its potential and support it when it is found that additional
> technology is needed.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
>
> [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q1339
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[Wikimedia-l] Generated texts

2014-02-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen 
Hoi,

We have often had discussions about generating texts to be used in
Wikipedia articles. The drawback of articles that are generated in this way
is that they do not get updated as more information becomes available.

The data in Wikidata is comparable with the kind of data often used in such
processes.

The first kind texts that are generated bu the Reasonator are based on the
biographic information of a person. As Johann Sebastian Bach is a great
example of the power of both Wikidata and Reasonator, I invite you to have
a look [1].

The text is completely generated based on the information in Wikidata and
Magnus is very much in the process of iterating this functionality. What I
hope you will see as a challenge is writing similar functionality for other
languages.

What I hope for is that the Wikidata development team will appreciate this
for what its potential and support it when it is found that additional
technology is needed.
Thanks,
  GerardM


[1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q1339
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