Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-03-21 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Megan Hernandez mhernan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, Here's a quick follow up on a couple issues from this thread. The fundraising team will be posting feedback analysis on March

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-02-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Risker, 16/01/2015 18:44: We now have at least a partial understanding of the reason the fundraising campaign was extended, which is found in the minutes of the Board of Trustees meeting of November 2014.[1] Board members asked Lila and Lisa to consider and evaluate ways to raise additional

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-16 Thread Risker
We now have at least a partial understanding of the reason the fundraising campaign was extended, which is found in the minutes of the Board of Trustees meeting of November 2014.[1] Board members asked Lila and Lisa to consider and evaluate ways to raise additional revenue to increase the reserve

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-16 Thread Megan Hernandez
Hi all, Here's a quick follow up on a couple issues from this thread. The fundraising team will be posting feedback analysis on March 1. To clear up some confusion around the duration of the campaign, we ran banners to 100% traffic for the first two weeks of December. We limited the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-16 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Megan Hernandez, 16/01/2015 22:11: Most of them do not have phabricator accounts, so the email feedback channel is critical. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help#Using_e-mail Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-16 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Megan Hernandez mhernan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, Here's a quick follow up on a couple issues from this thread. The fundraising team will be posting feedback analysis on March 1. Thanks, Megan. I look forward to your feedback analysis. To clear

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-16 Thread Lisa Gruwell
Hi Andreas- Thanks for the questions. There are lots of differences between the 2013 and 2014 campaigns and there are many variables at play here. One big difference is mobile. In 2013, we were just experimenting with mobile. In 2014, we launched a mobile campaign a week after we launched the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-14 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:32 AM, Megan Hernandez mhernan...@wikimedia.org wrote: We will share an update on this analysis when it is complete, which will be a part of future discussions around fundraising practices. Can we have a date please by which you will share this update? I am sorry

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-13 Thread Megan Hernandez
The fundraising team is currently wrapping up from the December campaign. Even though the banners are down, donations are still settling and we are reconciling with the finance department. This month, we are doing analysis on fundraising donation data as well as on feedback from readers, donors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-13 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: As for the fundraiser's duration, I believe the 2014 fundraiser ran for 30 days (December 2 to December 31, 2014). That's certainly incorrect. https://frdata.wikimedia.org/ campaign-vs-amount.csv shows about 200

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-13 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
As for the fundraiser's duration, I believe the 2014 fundraiser ran for 30 days (December 2 to December 31, 2014). That's certainly incorrect. https://frdata.wikimedia.org/campaign-vs-amount.csv shows about 200 campaigns started in 2014, excluding sidebar and other regular stuff. A campaign

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-13 Thread Cristian Consonni
2015-01-12 13:25 GMT+01:00 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com: With that busiest time of year now over, but with all the discussions still fresh in our mind, I was hoping that the Fundraising team or Executive would have the time to respond to the various concerns that were raised here (and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-12 Thread Steven Zhang
I've little to add to this thread than my personal point of view and take on how I would fundraise. I've been very involved in organisational work with Wikimedia Australia (the comments here are mine and mine alone) so haven't been logging on and editing as much as of late but continue to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-12 Thread Liam Wyatt
*TL;DR summary: I don't want the discussion about fundraising principles to be forgotten for another year until we do the whole thing again in 11 months... We need to finish the discussion about whether it is acceptable for all other values to be made secondary to the goal of maximising

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On 12 Jan 2015, at 11:25 pm, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: Now that the 2014 Fundraising campaign has finished and which, according to a WMF blogpost from a week ago, surpassed our goal of $20 million According to the data provided at https://frdata.wikimedia.org/ the Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-12 Thread Lilburne
On 12/01/2015 20:59, Andreas Kolbe wrote: As for the fundraiser's duration, I believe the 2014 fundraiser ran for 30 days (December 2 to December 31, 2014). This is longer than last year, and at any rate much longer than 2012, right? You need to get the most out of the Goose as it nears the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:59 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 January 2015 at 15:59, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Jan 2015, at 11:25 pm, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: Now that the 2014 Fundraising campaign has finished and which, according to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-12 Thread Wil Sinclair
I think it's a matter of common sense that we shouldn't ask for more money unless we can credibly demonstrate with stuff like success metrics and improving trends that we can spend the money we've already been given effectively. Risker's comments made me wonder, however, about the more specific

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-12 Thread MZMcBride
Andreas Kolbe wrote: As for the fundraiser's duration, I believe the 2014 fundraiser ran for 30 days (December 2 to December 31, 2014). This is longer than last year, and at any rate much longer than 2012, right? Because according to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2013 – In 2012, we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-12 Thread Risker
On 12 January 2015 at 15:59, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Jan 2015, at 11:25 pm, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: Now that the 2014 Fundraising campaign has finished and which, according to a WMF blogpost from a week ago, surpassed our goal of $20 million

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:09 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Because according to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2013 – In 2012, we were able to shorten the fundraiser down to nine full days, the shortest fundraiser we've had. I'm not sure about that Meta-Wiki page's

[Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2014-12-31 Thread David Gerard
Really. Who thought it was a good idea to MAKE THE BANNER FOLLOW YOU DOWN THE PAGE? There must be an identifiable person who actually said yes, this is a good decision, I shall make this decision. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2014-12-31 Thread Risker
On 31 December 2014 at 11:33, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Really. Who thought it was a good idea to MAKE THE BANNER FOLLOW YOU DOWN THE PAGE? There must be an identifiable person who actually said yes, this is a good decision, I shall make this decision. - d. It's not doing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2014-12-31 Thread David Gerard
Oh, apparently this happens *after* you've dismissed it - it COMES BACK. The lucky victim is now asking how to add the fundraiser banner to AdBlock Plus. Well done, guys. (I posted this on my FB and I'm getting HELL YES WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING THIS YEAR comments from friends. But of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2014-12-31 Thread David Gerard
On 31 December 2014 at 16:37, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: It's not doing that for me (Canada, using an old IE browser). However, it IS ignoring my previously set don't show me this again cookie. I just tested in Opera as well. First I got the HUGE OBNOXIOUS BANNER. I dismissed this and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2014-12-31 Thread David Gerard
On 31 December 2014 at 17:18, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 14-12-31 11:45 AM, David Gerard wrote: Really - some person has*knowingly* coded this, considering this ethical behaviour to put into code and release into the wild. How have you determined that this is not simply a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2014-12-31 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 14-12-31 12:20 PM, David Gerard wrote: On 31 December 2014 at 17:18, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: How have you determined that this is not simply a bug or coding error, exactly? It is true that I'm assuming bad faith here entirely on the basis of the previous bad-faith

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2014-12-31 Thread Megan Hernandez
The large banner is set to only show up one time, regardless if a reader closes the banner or not. Most readers are not seeing these banners anymore. The blue banners at the top of the page do show up more than one time. If you close these banners, you won't see anymore banners. If the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2014-12-31 Thread David Gerard
On 31 December 2014 at 18:56, Megan Hernandez mhernan...@wikimedia.org wrote: The large banner is set to only show up one time, regardless if a reader closes the banner or not. Most readers are not seeing these banners anymore. The blue banners at the top of the page do show up more than one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2014-12-31 Thread John
David don't get your hopes up. Given the WMF's tendency to shove idiotic, untested, and often unwanted software changes down the throats of users this surprises you at all? Just take a look at how either VE or media viewer where pushed out. It took the introduction of the super protect right to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2014-12-31 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Megan Hernandez mhernan...@wikimedia.org wrote: The blue banners at the top of the page do show up more than one time. If you close these banners, you won't see anymore banners. That's not my experience here. I've clicked the blue banner away at least three

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2014-12-31 Thread Risker
On 31 December 2014 at 18:43, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Megan Hernandez mhernan...@wikimedia.org wrote: The blue banners at the top of the page do show up more than one time. If you close these banners, you won't see anymore banners.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2014-12-31 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Megan Hernandez mhernan...@wikimedia.org wrote: If the description above is not working for you, please let us know at don...@wikimedia.org so we can follow up. ​Wait, I'm confused. Fundraising /doesn't/ use Phabricator for bug reports, as Marc-Andre