Re: [Wikimedia-l] Odder on moderation?!

[Richard Ames]

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On 12/08/14 20:23, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?

Yes.
> 
> I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to
> the list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having
> been put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to
> queries sent directly, and havent actioned these moderated emails
> (deny or approve, doesnt matter) for almost a day.
> 

I approved one.  I discarded one as it had no new content.

Regards, Richard.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Odder on moderation?!

[John Lewis]

I'm an administrator for a few lists and personally I feel you are being
far far too generic in saying lists are not managed correctly. A process is
not broken here just a users understanding.  Document don't argue regarding
processes.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Odder on moderation?!

[Fæ]

Hi Austin,

My wording was carefully chosen, but probably not obvious enough. I
used "working practices on lists", I was not actually referring to
*this* list where working practices are now, in my opinion, better
than many others.

In fact, it would be great if you could spend time on the meta page
previously linked, suggesting what good practices you use here that
might help run other lists in a more mellow fashion.

Thanks,
Fae

On 12/08/2014, Austin Hair  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Fæ  wrote:
>> Current working practices on lists include never being informed that
>> it happened and never getting a reply to a polite request of why the
>> moderation is in place, along with there being no possibility of
>> appeal or timely review. More complex issues, such as moderators
>> taking action on participants with whom they are actively involved in
>> disputes, are not covered by any current guideline.
>
> I do have to dispute this. While I did not explicitly say "I have set
> your moderation bit," and in retrospect should have, I believe that
> there's a fairly obvious conclusion to be drawn when a list
> administrator tells you that your behavior is unacceptable and your
> next message is not immediately posted.
>
> What I take the most issue with is that, contrary to what John has
> said, I did not receive a single request—polite or otherwise—from
> Tomasz directly, or (so far as gmail's search function can determine)
> any inquiry at all regarding moderation prior to John's e-mail to the
> list.
>
> The matter was clarified within minutes of it being brought to my
> attention. I don't know what, if not that, constitutes "timely review"
> for you, Fae.
>
> Austin
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Odder on moderation?!

[Austin Hair]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Fæ  wrote:
> Current working practices on lists include never being informed that
> it happened and never getting a reply to a polite request of why the
> moderation is in place, along with there being no possibility of
> appeal or timely review. More complex issues, such as moderators
> taking action on participants with whom they are actively involved in
> disputes, are not covered by any current guideline.

I do have to dispute this. While I did not explicitly say "I have set
your moderation bit," and in retrospect should have, I believe that
there's a fairly obvious conclusion to be drawn when a list
administrator tells you that your behavior is unacceptable and your
next message is not immediately posted.

What I take the most issue with is that, contrary to what John has
said, I did not receive a single request—polite or otherwise—from
Tomasz directly, or (so far as gmail's search function can determine)
any inquiry at all regarding moderation prior to John's e-mail to the
list.

The matter was clarified within minutes of it being brought to my
attention. I don't know what, if not that, constitutes "timely review"
for you, Fae.

Austin

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Odder on moderation?!

[Fæ]

On 12/08/2014, John Mark Vandenberg  wrote:
...
> I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the
> list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been
> put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to queries
> sent directly, and havent actioned these moderated emails (deny or
> approve, doesnt matter) for almost a day.

For those interested defining best practices for our email list
moderators, there is an open discussion about the options at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mailing_lists/Guidelines#Second_attempt_at_Moderation_guideline_.28July_2014.29
Please do contribute.

Current working practices on lists include never being informed that
it happened and never getting a reply to a polite request of why the
moderation is in place, along with there being no possibility of
appeal or timely review. More complex issues, such as moderators
taking action on participants with whom they are actively involved in
disputes, are not covered by any current guideline.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Odder on moderation?!

[Austin Hair]

Yes, I temporarily placed Tomasz on moderation after his personal
attacks on the list. I apologize for apparently not making this clear
enough with my on-list warning.

I spent most of yesterday afternoon traveling home from Wikimania, and
have not seen any messages from him since. As the admin queue is
empty, I can only conclude that they were dealt with by another person
with access to the administrator interface.

Austin


On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:23 AM, John Mark Vandenberg  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?
>
> I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the
> list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been
> put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to queries
> sent directly, and havent actioned these moderated emails (deny or
> approve, doesnt matter) for almost a day.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Odder on moderation?!

[John Mark Vandenberg]

Thx Tim.

On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Tim Starling  wrote:
> On 12/08/14 11:23, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?
>>
>> I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the
>> list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been
>> put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to queries
>> sent directly, and havent actioned these moderated emails (deny or
>> approve, doesnt matter) for almost a day.
>
> Yes, according to the mailman admin interface, he's on moderation.
> There are no pending moderator requests for wikimedia-l.
>
> -- Tim Starling
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Odder on moderation?!

[Tim Starling]

On 12/08/14 11:23, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?
> 
> I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the
> list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been
> put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to queries
> sent directly, and havent actioned these moderated emails (deny or
> approve, doesnt matter) for almost a day.

Yes, according to the mailman admin interface, he's on moderation.
There are no pending moderator requests for wikimedia-l.

-- Tim Starling


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[Wikimedia-l] Odder on moderation?!

[John Mark Vandenberg]

Hi,

Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?

I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the
list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been
put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to queries
sent directly, and havent actioned these moderated emails (deny or
approve, doesnt matter) for almost a day.

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